Conference bookie::movies

    In order of greatness(in my opinion)

     6 The way Star Trek is supposed to be,all action and adventure.
     4 Plenty of action and laughs
     1 Very well made movie
     2 lots of action again
     3 If it wasn't for the action this would have been last
     5 totally duff
    
     I could(and do) watch 1,2,3,4 and 6 time after time.
    
     SCott

I liked them all except Star Trek I which I thought was terrible.
In addition to the obvious rip-off from one of their tv episodes, I had
a hard time staying awake during the opening sequence while Kirk got all
misty-eyed staring at the Enterprise for 30 minutes!!!

    On a 1-to-10 scale:
    
    	I - 7
    	II - 8.75
    	III - 5
    	IV - 9
    	V - 2
    	VI - 8.5
    
    NAZZ

    Wow do I disagree.....the first one was one of my favorites and the
    last one was the *worst*!
                             Natalie

If I remember, the hype around the first ST was huge.  I felt ripped off and
very angry that they didn't have enough imagination to come up with an 
original story.  

This was also the time Star Wars blew the doors open with their special effects,
so the ST team had to scramble to upgrade their special effects.  To me, that
attempt was the whole movie (hence, the opening sequence).   I suppose they
milked very successfully, the nostalga that the majority of the audience
felt toward the series, but to me, that was it...

Not only were the special effects better in the subsequent movies but so
were the stories, which was always ST's strong suit anyways...

Hey, differences of opinion are what makes America great!!! *^)

		Bob Cohen

    re: .5
    
    "Star Wars" made the ST makers "scramble"??  How so??
    
    "Star Wars" was released in May '77; ST:TMP in December '79.  If
    anything, "Star Wars" was the reason Star Trek hit the big screen. 
    Originally, we were going to get another series.
    
    Anyways, yes, the effects were ponderous and really slowed the movie
    down.  An interesting sidenote is that director Robert Wise didn't see
    the completed film until about a week before its release.  Kinda gives
    you an idea that he didn't have much time to re-work the pacing/editing
    of it, doesn't it??
    
    And seeing as everyone is giving their ratings, here are mine (from
    best to worst):
    
    	2 (great, just plain great)
    	6 (a fitting end to the series of films)
    	3 (even though Spock came back)
    	1 (more for sentiment and an awesome first night crowd)
    	5 (poor execution)
    	4 (terrible Trek)
    
    - Skip

The Trek films are well known for their even/odd quality split, with the
even numbered films being the better ones. Many feel that they shouldn't
make another both because they went out on a high note and because a number
seven being odd would be sure to be a lesser film. :^)

The television release had a few minutes added and is supposedly a somewhat
better film than the theatrical release, haven't seen it myself.

ST:VI looks and sounds fantastic on laser disc, amoung the top ten demonstration
discs so far. There's also a couple minutes not included in the theatrical
release.

My personal ranking of the films:

2-4-6  A virtual tie amoung all three of the even numbered films.
3      The best of the odd numbered films.
1      Looks pretty good but the story is subsumed, boring.
5      Shatner should stay in front of the camera.


Randy

>> The Trek films are well known for their even/odd quality split, with the
>> even numbered films being the better ones. Many feel that they shouldn't
>> make another both because they went out on a high note and because a number
>> seven being odd would be sure to be a lesser film. :^)

    Would going straight onto Star Trek VIII be cheating?  :*)
    
    Graham.

    I saw all the Star Trek movies in the theater when they each first came
    out, and I've never watched any of them a second time.  I enjoyed each
    of them while I watched it, but looking back realize that I can't
    really remember a darn thing about any of them, certainly not enough to
    say which was best.  In fact, I can't even remember which was which! 
    But, at the time, I enjoyed all of them. (And, of course, I've always
    had a thing for Captain Kirk.)
    
    Lorna
    

    The only one that was memorable at all to me was the second one.  
    
    The other ones varied from boring to OK to a bit painful to watch (the
    last one spring to mind with that statement).  
    
    
    
    kim

    Last year sometime here in England , I went to see down at the local
    UCI cinima ( big screens and good sound ) , they showed all six trek
    films in one night . I got a bit of a soar a** afterwards but it was 
    worth it , If you watch one after another , then you can see that they
    follow in similar lines to the series , It was nice to see that most
    of the continuity(sp) was the same through out the films and if not
    then they explained why not . 
    
    
    Most excallent ........... DR H.H.H..etc,etc,etc.
    
    

I liked 1/2/4 the best.  I liked the premise of I more than I like the acting
etc.  I loved Khan and for sentimental reasons I loved IV with the whales.
V left me cold as it has most of the replies here.  Enjoyed VI.
I have them all on laser disc and love to hear the Klingon ships/music all
around me!

Judy

    Just a quick note . Here in England the are selling STVI on video , it
    says on the back of the box that there is add footage of new film on it
    
    1) would this be like a special edition ver. or is it just klips here
       and there ?
    
    2) dose this added extra make the film evan more enjoyable then what it
       is ?
    
    On the front of the box it dosent evan say anything about this ,
    strange...........
    
    
    
    
        ED.......

    well just bought the vidoe last night and what can I say , it is better
    then the general release which was on the big screen .
    
    1) at the very begining before the film evan starts the is a sound bar
       which can be heard , this for the Dolby surround sound * decoder 
       which says yes the film is going to sound brillent , not this naff
       one dimentinal sound .
       In particular at the very begining of the film just as the credits
       finish and when Praxes explodes , cranked up the vol. adjusted front
       & rear , twicked the graphic and wallop blows your ears out , as
       well as the L&R seperation when either people or ships are flying
       at the corners of the screen .
    
       Sound  9/10
    
    
    2) The added footage makes the film evan more enjoyable as well as
       filling some of the blanks that the original left out .
       for those who havent seen this new footage or dont whant to know ,
       shields up spoiler attack off the starbord bow .
       
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
      Just after the klingon ambassidor leaves the presidents office , the
      CNC , adrimal Cartwright , and another high ranking officer were
      explaining on there emergancy plan to rescue federation personal if
      they ever get captured by the klingons .
      A particular line that was amussing was that when the president asked
      about a possibility of war , they man giving the briefing reply was
      ' well , we will be cleaning the choromiters ' .
    
    
    
      When spock tells scotty to do a visual inspection of the full
      inventory of all the torpedose , then valeris comes down a pole and
      tells spock and scotty that the gorkons daughter has been made in 
      charge and scotty says ' I bet that klingon bitch killed gorken '
      and then explains the klingons way of life .
    
    
    
      Then there are some more interior and exterior shots not seen before
    
    
    
      
      Then at camp kittymor when the klingon is about to assasinate the 
      pres. scotty shoots the klingon . when everything calms down
      Col. worf lookes down at the dead klingon and says that ,
      ' this isnt klingon blood ' and then the cnc takes this mask off the
      dead klingon and finds out that it was the guy who was giving the
      breifing on the rescue of fed. personal , and then some more added
      shots of the E , and the Excell. 
    
    
    
    Overall these add bits makes the film much better and enjoyable . Its
    also a plessent site to have the tesser promo picture , the one
    with the klingon head looking up at the E. going into the stars , I
    thought this was a much better picture then the theater poster , it
    also dosent have the obligitary special edition plastered on it which
    makes it a bit of a tesser .
    
    
    
    
    Overall improved 9.5/10
    
    
    
       Signing off .........  ED
    

    
    
      ST-I Was a good movie considering that in the past the f/x and props
           where mainly all plastic..
      
     ST-II A great movie loved every minute of it.
    
    ST-III Good story. One major nit was Kirk's son David(should have been
                                                          a thunderbird.).
    
     ST-IX Not a bad movie IMHO.
    
      ST-X I thought that this was a bit lame in some of the story..
    
     ST-XI A good movie to end the voyages of the old USS-1701.And it's
           fine crew..
    
    ST-XII ??????????............
    
      All in all I enjoyed all six movies
      and ST-TOS ST-TNG and looking forward to ST-DS9 when it hit's the UK.
      
    
                                                              
                                                              John.T    
                                                                      
    

    
    
    x = 10   I think you need a V
    
    
                -=-=-R~C~W-=-=-

    
    Can someone settle a 'small' argument between me and my wife please...
    
    Is there a Star Trek VII yet?  If so, is it, or when will it, be on
    video?
    
    Thanks,
    Ian

    
    There isn't a movie called "Star Trek VII"
    
    There is a movie called "Star Trek: Generations" which was made after
    "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country" and featured some of the
    characters from Star Trek VI.
    
    Basically, it becomes a question of interpretation.  Unless Paramount
    later decides to put out something called Star Trek VII (please,
    please, let them not).
    
    DFW

    
    	So, yes there was a 7th Star Trek movie, but no, it wasn't
    	actually called "VII".
    

    And the video is available.

    
    Thanks for the replies, we (my wife and I) can now settle our dispute,
    but neither was right nor wrong.  Is it worth watching?
    
  >  There is a movie called "Star Trek: Generations" which was made after
  >  "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country" and featured some of the
  >  characters from Star Trek VI.
    
    For the 'some' part of the above, are all the Enterprise bridge crew
    present?  Come to that, is it the Enterprise?
                                                           
    Ian
    

    
    As a movie, Star Trek: Generations is pretty entertaining under its
    constraints (i.e., it's got William Shatner in it).  The members of the
    old crew (they aren't all there) actually come off pretty well, but
    their roles are brief.  Most of the action takes place in the universe
    of The Next Generation.
    
    DFW

>    Is it worth watching?
    
    If you were a fan of the TV series, ST:tng, I would say definitely so.
    How can you resist? 
    
    BTW, there's a topic of reviews: 551.*
    
    John

    I could watch ST II anytime - my very fav followed by VI and IV. 
    Number V was so bad that I have never seen it in its entirety.  As far
    as #I is concerned - it had to start somewhere and the same for III, a
    good bridge to take us to #IV.  MHO
    
    Velda
     

    
    
    Star Trek V probably would have been good had they not run out of
    budget and had to skimp on the other side of the barrier stuff.
    
    Chris
    :)