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Conference 7.286::pet_birds

Title:Captive Breeding for Conservation--and FUN!
Notice:INTROS 6.X / FOR SALE 13.X / Buying a Bird 900.*
Moderator:VIDEO::PULSIFER
Created:Mon Oct 10 1988
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:942
Total number of notes:6016

823.0. "Injections???" by WR2FOR::WIMMER_DI () Fri Sep 10 1993 17:37

    My severe macaw has had a running battle with bacterial infections.
    Every few months I start to hear wheezy noises, take her to the vet,
    go through 3 weeks of trying to get medication in here twice a day.
    Medicating here involves grabbing here in a towel (which gets to be
    really fun since she figures it out pretty quickly and runs away),
    holding here while my roommate tries to get the stuff in here with
    a syringe.  Half the time, she spits part of it out after we think
    she's swallowed it.
    
    Anyway, just moved to California a few weeks ago.  She started to
    get wheezy again, so we went to the vet.  She xrayed her ($$$$$),
    sent films to an avian radiologist.  He came back and reported an
    area of density in the humerus(not sure where that is in a bird) which
    he thinks is harboring bacteria.  She does have some pneumonia in
    her lungs.  His opinion is that the density thing is "re-seeding" the
    lungs after we think we have it licked.  Result is that she will need
    to be medicated for a long period to get it all -- at least 3 months.
    The recommendation is that we give her injections.
    
    Now, first of all, I'm real queasy about needles.  Secondly I'm afraid
    she will hate me for doing it to her. Third, another vet back East told
    me that giving birds injections was tricky because if you  didn't hit
    the right spot in the muscle you could kill them.  I'm inclined to
    go with the traditional method even though it isn't as reliable.  It's
    also possible that we might be able to combine this with a nebulizer
    which would put antibiotic vapor in  the air for her to breathe, I
    guess.
    
    So.....looking  for opinions/advice/experience...........
    
    thanks,
    diane
    
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823.1Baby-feeding methods!UTROP1::BOSMAN_PMon Sep 13 1993 06:1525
    Dianne,
    
    The most used anti-biotics can be administered through the food.
    I give my parrots four kinds of food, one of which is a thick
    "porridge". This concrete-like substance contains various granes, dried
    fruits etc. I put vitamines in here during the winter months and can
    add medice as well.
    When I want to be realy sure, like in desperate cases I revert to
    baby-feeding them. I give them the fortified porridge from a spoon.
    This way I am sure about the amount of medicine they take.
    This is why I keep my birds "trained" to this baby-feed method. They
    like it a lot as a bonus too.
    I have cured some serious infections with this, including a severe
    pneumonia in a GSC.
    All my parrots are very tame and can be picked up, even witout letting
    them stand on your hand. You can just hold them. I can even clip nails
    and wings plyfully. Still I prefer the non-stress administering methods.
    
    In general I am very in favour of an ioniser in the bird room. This
    seems to have a positive effect on the air quality. I don't understand
    it, but it does show effects in the birds.
    
    Good luck,
    
    Peter
823.2One of the toughest things I've ever had to do....VAXUUM::COMPTONWed Sep 15 1993 21:5924
    Hi Dianne,
    
    I can understand your hesitation about giving injections.  I had to do
    this repeatedly with a lovebird hen that got lead poisoning from some
    paint she chewed off a windowsill when she escaped from her cage.  She
    is fine now, but it was a tough period. 
    
    I had the vet and the vet tech show me how to do it and they carefully
    explained about the proper angle, sterile procedure for handling the
    meds and the syringes, and where very supportive and patient.  The bird
    did act afraid of me for a few weeks after doing this for only a few
    days, three to four times a day (four the first two days, including
    at 4 a.m.!!).  If you get the right size needle -- short enough but
    strong enough -- administering the injection should not endanger the
    bird because you are, I assume, being told to do this into the chest
    muscle, toward the keelbone, so the heart and lungs should not be
    in danger.  It does leave bruising, and there can be minor bleeding,
    so it is unpleasant.  It is *very* effective in dosing the bird with
    the antibiotic compared to putting the medicine in food or water,
    although if the bird will accept hand-feeding formula as described
    in Peter's .1 reply above, then I'd pick that over 30 plus days of
    injections!!
    
    Linda C.
823.3NOT in the water, PLEASE!UTROP1::BOSMAN_PThu Sep 16 1993 07:4211
    Linda's reply triggered one warning!
    
    Never ever attempt to administer medicine through the drinking water.
    Parrots drink VERY little and some hardly at all. Scientific studies on
    the water intake show that besides a negligent average, the actual
    daily amount may vary up to 500%. Dosing is therefore VERY difficult,
    if not impossible.
    
    Regards,
    
    Peter