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Conference 7.286::pet_birds

Title:Captive Breeding for Conservation--and FUN!
Notice:INTROS 6.X / FOR SALE 13.X / Buying a Bird 900.*
Moderator:VIDEO::PULSIFER
Created:Mon Oct 10 1988
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:942
Total number of notes:6016

861.0. "Necropsy resuslts" by SWAM1::DEFRANCO_JE () Wed May 18 1994 21:26

    The results from Sunny's necropsie came in yesterday and I guess one
    could say it was a combo of good and bad news.
    
    The good news is Sunny did not die of anything infectious that could be
    passed on to my other birds.  She didn't even show signs of psittacosis
    which is what we so strongly suspected.
    
    The bad news is, cause of death was an immune system that was "shot"
    and just not working.  Why?  We don't know!  The vet stated that pieds
    and lutino tiels have a weaker immune system to start with and genetics
    and breeding may be a factor.  Inbreeding could certainly have caused
    Sunny to have a weakened immune system.  Sunny was a product of colony
    breeding and God only knows who was breeding with who.  She could very
    well have been the result of an inbreeding situation.  But, I will
    never really know.
    
    Has anyone else had experience with this type of problem/situation?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Jeanne
    
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861.1On necropsies, line- and in-breeding...MRKTNG::COMPTONFri May 20 1994 17:1164
    Hi Jeanne,
    
    Yes, I had a problem with a deficient immune system in a bird. 
    Intensive vitamin A therapy and weeks of special care turned him
    around.  He had been fighting a low grade infection so long when
    I got him, his immune system was exhausted.  With supportive care
    he was able to regroup.  He had to have antibiotic and anti-fungal
    treatment also at first, and nasal flushes to help repair his
    mucous membranes to closer to normal elasticity.
    
    I'm not sure this is what happened with your Sunny.  I just lost a 
    beautiful pearl tiel hen to lymphoma (cancer) at the young age of
    a year and a half, just as she was about to be set up with a mate, 
    so I guess they can have most any problem we do.  The necropsy 
    results made me breath easier because it was nothing contagious
    (she had no outward signs of illness at any time in her life,
    other than looking unusually sleepy the day before she died).  
    
    With the pathology available to us today, at least we can make
    a distinction between a death due to natural causes or something
    we contributed to -- or not -- as well as knowing if there is a danger
    to any other birds we have (or to ourselves, for that matter, as in
    the case of psittacosis).
    
    On the other half of your questions: Colony breeding is certainly a
    time when inbreeding can easily occur, but it is not the only time 
    there is in-breeding.  Some line bred birds are set up this way 
    deliberately by the breeder, in pairs, in the hope of pulling
    forward some desireable trait(s).  So a brother and sister might
    be put together on purpose, for example.  
    
    Line breeding is _usually_ cousins to cousins or uncles to nieces, etc., 
    to use the 'human' terms.  A portion of each bird's gene pool is 'related'
    to the other's gene pool.  But siblings are sometimes paired as well.
    When siblings are mated, the gene pool is identical in both birds.  
    
    Unfortunately, this close breeding using siblings increases the chances 
    that any flawed genes are combined, as well as the chance that the 
    desired genes are magnified by this crossing. Some of the resulting chicks 
    may be severely compromised genetically, while their clutch mates who 
    carry forward the desireable traits may be show winners.  
    
    With more conservative line breeding, there is always a portion of 
    the gene pool in each individual that is related, and a portion that
    is not.  This doesn't guarantee that there will never be a chick from
    this pairing with genetic defects, but there is much less of a chance
    than when siblings are paired.
    
    Many consider that cockatiels with multiple color and marking mutations
    have a weaker gene pool than a normal gray tiel.  As a breeder and
    owner of tiels, I _have_ noticed the normal gray chicks seem to develop
    sooner than those that are two or more visual mututations (e.g., cinnamon 
    pearl pied, lutino pearl, whiteface lutino a/k/a 'albino').  
    
    The chicks carrying a recessive gene (called /split to whatever) don't 
    seem to be any slower developing than a normal gray or a chick with 
    only one mututation (e.g., visual gray pied/lutino or a  visual 
    cinnamon/pied/whiteface).
    
    Jeanne, thanks for being so good about keeping us informed here as you
    have gone through these difficult times with your birds.  I imagine it has
    not been easy to write some days.
    
    Linda C.
861.2similar experienceHACMAN::JONESMon Mar 06 1995 00:3812
    I had my English Budgie, Sebastian, died last fall from severe liver
    degeneration.  He was about 5 years old and had extra-watery droppings
    over his last 5 months or so.  The vet had run several blood tests
    early on and did see evidence of increased bile in the blood serum, but
    no sign of infection otherwise.  The autopsy didn't give any clues as
    to what may have caused the liver problems -- no tumors, parasites,
    etc.  I have a cockateil about the same age and he seems to be fine
    after adjusting to the loss of his buddy, so luckily whatever the cause
    of the liver failure, it doesn't seem to be contagious in this case
    either.
    
     Laura