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Conference 7.286::pet_birds

Title:Captive Breeding for Conservation--and FUN!
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Created:Mon Oct 10 1988
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:942
Total number of notes:6016

682.0. "Grouping large parrots?" by UTROP1::BOSMAN_P () Fri Apr 24 1992 18:41

    Who can share his/hers experience in keeping parrots in a group?
    
    I am working on a way to keep a, small, group of large parrots in an 
    aviary. Since I have good prospects to put breeding pairs together I
    would not want to ruin their chance on breeding however.
    Quite a few breeders I know have advised against grouping birds because
    of the breeding aspects, but then how come they always flock together 
    in the wild? 
    I am looking for a new house to buy and the aviary requirements are a
    major decision point.
    
    My aim is at least one pair of Greater Sulpher Crested, Moluccan and 
    White Plumed Cockatoos each and, if possible a pair of Eclectus Parrots.
    These come from the same geographic and climatic region and also roughly 
    the same habitat.
    I can obtain captive-bred, handraised chicks of all these.
    If grouping only works with a single breed then I will go for all
    GSC's.
    At present I already have a young pair of GSC's and a Moluccan and
    could have the rest whenever I wanted(and have the money)
    If however the possibility of keeping them in a group is very slight I
    might as well stop planning. 
    
    Any suggestions?
    
    Peter
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682.1IN--COMPATIBILITYBRAT::BOURGAULTThu May 07 1992 17:2946
    I would strongly suggest that you NOT integrate parrots that are not
    of the same species together even if they originated in the same
    geographic area.  Unless you have a very LARGe aviary encompasing
    a great deal of land, they will probably squabble, which could cause
    some serious damage - costing you either a bird or a gigantic vet
    bill.  Especially with the large parrots (i.e. cockatoos, eclectus,
    amazons, etc.).  Even though Cockatoos are basically a non-violent
    bird, there are occasions where they will attack another bird -if
    threatened or when breeding urges stir.  Moluccan Cockatoo males
    are known to kill the female on occasion, so please be cautious
    when mixing birds.
    
    Birds that I know that are safe to mix in an aviary are:
    
    Finches, Canaries, small doves, button quails (make sure finches are
    of equal size.  Don't mix a large finch such as the java rice or
    shafttail with cordon bleus or smaller finches.  The larger finches
    tend to be more agressive and could cause problems.)
    
    Cockatiels & budgies (Providing you have a good size flight space)
    Budgies can be agressive or pesty to the tiels.)
    
    Don't Mix the following birds with other species:
    
    Lovebirds (especially the peach faced.  VERY agressive bird - esp. the
    females!  They even attack and kill their own babies on occasion!).
    
    Ringnecks - Although I have heard of mixing these birds with others
    like Senegals or Conures,  I wouldn't recommend it.  These guys can
    be quite agressive as well.
    
    NOTE:  Most birds become very agressive when there are mixed sexes
           of their kind in the aviary.  They tend to pair off and become
           posessive of their mates and will attack another bird even
           their own kind viciously.  So keep that in mind.
    
           If you plan to breed any of these birds in the aviary, then
           keep each pair separate for "SAFE" results.
    
    I know that keeping these birds separate is a bit more cost and work
    when planning your aviary, but believe me,  it makes a heck of a lot
    more sense and less costly in the end.
    
    Best of luck!!
    
    Denise
682.2It will be single specie!UTROP1::BOSMAN_PTue May 12 1992 06:4229
    Denise,
    
    Thanks for your elaborate reply.
    The aviary is a multi-year program. So I am plannning the design
    VERY carefully and it will be LARGE.
    At the moment I am thinking of a large central "communal" area with 
    secluded extensions surrounding this. Planting might be used to form 
    partitions.
    As I understand it now, Cockatoos do live in flocks but get territorial
    about their nesting area. The social behaviour changes during the
    reproduction season during which they indeed can be rather violent. 
    Maybe the planting partitions must be supported by gates. Closed during 
    the breeding season, keeping the breeding pairs seperated and open for 
    the rest of the year. This indeed means that it will have to be a single 
    species group which will be GSC's. I like these best, I already have a 
    good pair and can get these at $1200 per pair (handraised, captive
    bred). 
    Keeping these birds in a group highly promotes proper pair forming and
    the development of the social behaviour in young birds.
    
    I will go to Walsrode, in Germany, this weekend to visit their breeding 
    projects.
    Undoubtedly they will provide me with lotsa info too. 
    They keep large groups of macaws and medium sized groups of cockatoos
    so I am very curious about their "solutions".
    
    Will keep you posted.
    
    Peter
682.3No group breeding for CockatoosUTROP1::BOSMAN_PMon May 18 1992 06:5518
    At the Walsrode park the present aviaries are, liek they agree with
    themselves, of a bit outdated design.
    All aviaries are in adjourning rows with their backs to a communal
    gallery.
    
    No groups are kept for breeding purposes.
    Only smalll groups of the same or very compatible species are kept for
    display purposes. Only young and unpaired animals are placed in these
    groups. As soon as a pair-bond is establisehed the birds are placed in a
    breeding surrounding.
    Social behaviour does benefit from the group-keeping but breeding will
    not take place unless the pair is isolated.
    Pair bonding is greatly stimulated by the group keeping. With cockatoos
    the communal cage needs to be very roomy and of such a design that
    birds can avoid eachother. Cockatoos also need attention in order to
    intervene when a male or pair wants to breed, becomes agressive.
    
    Peter