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Conference 7.286::pet_birds

Title:Captive Breeding for Conservation--and FUN!
Notice:INTROS 6.X / FOR SALE 13.X / Buying a Bird 900.*
Moderator:VIDEO::PULSIFER
Created:Mon Oct 10 1988
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:942
Total number of notes:6016

463.0. "what is a draft?" by RANGER::WIMMER () Tue Dec 04 1990 15:36

    I just moved into a new house and am having problems placing
    the bird cages.  My macaw found a home on the first floor, but
    I can't find a spot for the Quaker and the cockatiels that isn't
    in danger of drafts when a door is opened.  In addition, the 
    whole first floor is open, so there would be no good spot for
    them to be able to go to sleep at night...
    
    I have a loft area on the second floor where they are in no danger
    of drafts from doors or windows.  However, there is a ceiling fan
    which I need to run in the winter to push heat down (high ceiling)
    and summer for cooling.  I'm worried about the "draft potential"
    from the fan, but not sure if this qualifies as a draft or not.
    
    
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463.1draft=cold air ?BPOV04::PULSIFERDoug Pulsifer DTN 296-3332, BP01Tue Dec 04 1990 18:519
    Diane,
    
    I would say that the loft would not be considered Drafty. I beleive
    that when we refere to drafts we mean a breeze of air that is
    considerable cooler than the surrounding air. A problem that you might
    find that with the high circulation of the warm air over them they need
    more humidity. In the summer it might be a draft problem.
    
    Doug
463.2RANGER::WIMMERWed Dec 05 1990 15:526
    The loft itself is fine.  It's the fan I'm worried about.  In the
    winter I want to run it to circulate the warm air from the forced
    hot air system.  In the summer, obviously for cooling.  So I
    guess the issue is whether or not "moving air" is a problem, and
    does it differ summer to winter?
    
463.3Drafts...AVIAN::KIRSCHBAUMHave You Hugged a Parrot TodayMon Dec 10 1990 18:459
	If a draft from one particular direction is the problem, try heavy
	clear plastic (like the stuf 3M advertises for storm windorw) on 
	one side of the cage.

	This protects from the draft, adds additional warmth, but does not
	affect the light the bird gets.

	-dick
463.4Watch out for chewers!CLOSET::COMPTONLinda DTN381-0687 ZKO1-2/C21Wed Dec 12 1990 18:377
    If you use plastic wrap as suggested in -.1 reply, be sure your bird
    isn't the type who pulls it into the cage and chews on it!  I learned
    the hard way with a baby sun conure chck recently--fortunately got 
    the stuff away from her in time be prevent some gastro-intestinal
    problems.
    
    Linda
463.5Not Plastic Wrap.....2-3 mil thick plasticAVIAN::KIRSCHBAUMHave You Hugged a Parrot TodayWed Dec 12 1990 19:358
	You do NOT use thin plastic wrap.....use heavy several mil thick
	plastic, and stretch it tight.

	I have used it on the side of a MACAW cage, and if the bird can 
	not get a grip on the plastic, they can not chew or cut it....

	-dick
463.6Got it...now, anyway, finally...CLOSET::COMPTONLinda DTN381-0687 ZKO1-2/C21Wed Dec 12 1990 22:145
    Thanks for the clarification...I did use the thin stuff and it was
    too flexible...just enough for the bird to get ahold of it.  Dumb
    on my part, but learning keeps me humble!! ;') 
    
    Linda
463.7Humble, n, Hum' ble - To own birdsAVIAN::KIRSCHBAUMHave You Hugged a Parrot TodayThu Dec 13 1990 14:1129
	Yup....I know what you mean, owning (or being owned by) a bird,
	is one of the surest ways I know of to convince a person that
	they don't know nothin'!

	As a matter of fact, Avalon convinces me of that every day...

	Did anyone read the article in BT by the bird trainer (pyschologist?)
	that disipline doesn't work with birds because they have NO sense
	of time passage....

	Arghhhhhhhhhhhhh.....and here I thought I was really accomplishing
	something....(by making Avalon go in his cage as dicipline)...

	Don't get me wrong, Avalon loves his cage, as long as the door is not
	locked.  As a matter of fact, we had to get a climbing crampoon,
	which so far is too complex for Av to open, and too heavy for him
	to trash, since he has broken three AE cage locks.

	Anyway, if the article is correct, its back to square zero!  As I said
	at the beginning, birds make me humble (and frustrated!)

	Although my wife and kids keep telling me  I would not have these
	problems if'n the bird was not SO spoiled.  Both my kids can't 
	understand why I never spoiled that as badly as I do the bird.  I
	tell them its because I know I will never have to pay for car
	insurance for the bird!

	-dick
463.8commentsEDA03::MOEHLENPAHThu Dec 13 1990 23:0611
    I'm not entirely sure of the article you describe in BT...  I've had a
    problem with my bird with biting.  I've used the approach by a famous
    author (who will remain nameless), of dropping her to the floor from a
    safe distance (2-3ft) when she does this.  After about 3 times, she
    realizes I am serious.  Then she becomes a sweet little bird...
    
    The part I agree with, is that "bite, goto jail", doesn't seem to have
    much effect.  She doesn't remember why she went to jail...
    
    Ed
    
463.9one more time...RANGER::WIMMERFri Dec 14 1990 16:328
    back to the original question.......
    
    Do we think "moving air" is a problem, or just moving air that
    is much colder (like from a window when it's cold outside).  
    
    Thanks,
    Diane
    
463.10Does it cause a chill?CLOSET::COMPTONLinda DTN381-0687 ZKO1-2/C21Fri Dec 14 1990 20:022
    My vote goes for a problem is only with air that chills the bird....not
    simply 'moving air' -- LC
463.11no more biting to draw bloodESKIMO::PROWELLSun Dec 30 1990 14:084
    I am in agreement with the biting reprimand.  I have a male cockatiel
    who became very aggresive and bit to draw blood after he lost his
    mate.  It took a flick to the beak which made him loose his balance
    and fall off his perch ( about 12" down) He has not bit since.