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Conference 7.286::pet_birds

Title:Captive Breeding for Conservation--and FUN!
Notice:INTROS 6.X / FOR SALE 13.X / Buying a Bird 900.*
Moderator:VIDEO::PULSIFER
Created:Mon Oct 10 1988
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:942
Total number of notes:6016

460.0. "Possible Parrot Owner Needs Advice" by SENIOR::WINN () Thu Nov 29 1990 18:08

    Hi,
    
    I have lots of questions about the Tucamen Amazon (listed in 13.189) as
    a pet.  I called the Humane Society but the contact person was out so I
    have no details about this particular bird.  My questions are pretty
    general though.
    
    My husband is great with animals and really wants a bird.  I've always
    been an animal lover too.  Neither of us has any experience with
    parrots however, and from what I've been reading here, it sounds like
    they can be pretty tricky.  (We both had parokeets and finches as kids
    but that was years ago).  I just started reading this notesfile
    today and frankly, the notes I read on bitings have me a little scared.
    We have a 4 year old son and a baby on the way.  I haven't read
    anything (yet) about how parrots react to children but my gut feelings
    aren't very good.
    
    It sounds the Tucamen will need an experienced bird owner/trainer. 
    Any thoughts on how long it may take this bird to come around?  Also,
    my husband and I both work full time -- will a couple of hours a night
    with the bird be enough?
    
    Also, could someone help me with the proper environment and diet for
    this bird, i.e. temperature, location in the room (can it be near the
    windows?), etc.
    
    Being such novices, I think we should probably start smaller and work our
    way up but I know my husband would love a parrot.  All suggestions
    welcome!
    
    Tracy                                                
    
    
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460.1birds and kidsMEIS::TILLSONSugar MagnoliaThu Nov 29 1990 19:2753
    
    This particular bird may not be right for you. Based on the
    description, it probably needs an experienced bird person.  However,
    consider going to see it anyway, and be sure to take the four-year old
    and your husband with you to see how it responds to everyone in the
    family.  (Taking everyone is probably a good idea in selecting a bird,
    anyway.)
    
    As far as proper environment, diet, etc. - there is lots of material in
    this notesfile.  Read through some of the notes, and also pick up a
    book on parrots and their care at a petshop.  An annual publication
    called BirdWorld, published by the editors of BirdTalk magazine, is
    geared towards new bird owners, as well.  See if you can find a copy at
    your local petshop.
    
    Now, about children...
    
    *Many* birds are suprisingly gentle with children.  I have a stepson,
    age three, who was introduced to my pet birds when he was 2.  I have a
    grey cheek parakeet who *LOVES* children (was raised with them), but
    Carl (my stepson) finds the little, fast & active bird scarey.  On the
    other hand, he adores my huge white umbrella cockatoo.  He has far less
    fear of her than many adults do(!) and I think that helps. She is very
    good with him.  She has been known to nip at adults who displease her
    (not hard, but enough to get their attention) but is always amazingly
    gentle with children.  My other cockatoo, a citron, is also wonderful
    with children.  My whitefront amazon, who typically *hates* everyone
    but me, plays with Carl and shares his Fisher Price (tm) toys.
    
    If you are looking for a smaller bird, consider a cockatiel, a
    greycheek parakeet, or a budgie.  Look for breeders (ask in here, you
    can probably get some recommendations) and GET A HANDFED BIRD. ( <---- 
    always a good idea, but, IMO, critical if you have children.)
    
    If you have your heart set on a larger bird, consider a (smaller)
    handfed cockatoo such as a citron, lesser sulpher, or goffin.  I would
    avoid most amazons if I were in your position - they can get really
    nippy in breeding season.  
    
    Handfed pionus parrots are also reputed to be very good with children,
    and may be a good choice for you.  They are a medium size (like a small
    amazon) and are quiet and sweet.
    
    In any case: ALWAYS SUPERVIZE ALL INTERACTIONS BETWEEN YOUR CHILD AND
    YOUR BIRD!
    
    You may be pleasantly surprised.  You may find your baby and the bird
    crawling on the floor, playing with the same toys, and talking to each
    other in a language that both of them understand - and which leaves you
    totally in the dark!
    
    						/Rita
    
460.2BIRD SEARCHABACUS::BOURGAULTThu Nov 29 1990 19:3842
    Tracey,
    
    Birds are magnificant pets, however they can be much work. The larger
    the bird, the more intelligent is (in most cases), and therefore the
    more attention it requires.  I have over 35 birds but only two large
    birds presently.  The large ones (a yellow naped amazon, a close
    relative of the Tucaman Amazon and a Mollucan Cockatoo) are both great
    pets and entertaining, however they are similar to having a 2-3 year
    old child around the house. Especially the Cockatoo, who is very
    spoiled and requires your undivided attention when you are with her.
    the Amazon is an independent bird and does not like to be cuddled but
    will talk and sing.  On the other hand, the Cockatoo does not talk
    but loves to be cuddled and played with, and is quite demanding ..
    not to mention destructive if she gets out of her cage without
    supervision.
    
    If you are interested in birds, I would suggest that you start with
    a smaller bird such as a cockatiel (handfed baby). That is how I
    made the plunge.  I read extensively about birds, especially the
    cockatiels prior to purchasing one, to ensure that I knew what I
    was getting into and how to properly care for it.  After I had it
    for awhile (mine was not hand tame and we never really bonded),
    I happened to meet a yellow nape amazon at a pet store and was amazed
    at its talking abilities.  I read up on amazons and decided that
    it was the bird for me.  Only once I purchased my handfed baby,
    it immediately bonded with my husband...but that's another story.
    
    Since you are going to have a child soon, I would wait until the
    baby was born before deciding on a bird, so that the bird would
    come into the house with the full understanding of the complete
    family.  Birds can become bonded to a person and become very
    jealous when an intruder arrives...Especially a larger bird!
    They are very territorial and possessive.  And not very good
    pets for small children as a rule.
    
    Hope that this helps you out.  Shop around and read.  Thats the
    best way!
    
    Best of luck!!
    
    Regards,
    Denise B.
460.3My 2 cents...CLOSET::COMPTONLinda DTN381-0687 ZKO1-2/C21Thu Dec 06 1990 17:4037
    Hi Tracey,
    
    A comment on new babies and big birds...not from personal experience,
    but indirectly: I have several birds that came from loving homes that
    had a bird for (in most cases) several years, then came along a baby.
    The bird was used to being the baby.  The bird had to go. I agree with
    Denise in waiting until after the baby has been born and you are 
    settled in with that new role, then choose a new bird as a family.
    As Rita has commented here, many birds that won't get along with or
    tolerate adults are very gentle with small children.  Only exceptions
    I have heard of are when the bird was there first....then be *very*
    careful to supervise any interaction, especially with an African grey
    or an Amazon.  Handfed cockatiels are wonderful first pets, as Denise
    observed.  They are also a lot more reasonable in price than most 
    larger birds (don't be drawn to the low price tag on an imported bird--
    avoid unless you want to take on a major challenge in taming or intend
    to breed the bird, not own it as a pet).  You can spend more money on
    a great big cage for the cockatiel instead!!  :')  I think budgies are
    often too fragile to be handled by very small children, although school
    age children and budgies (parakeets) have been together as pals in many
    people's lives, as children themselves or their children owned (own) the
    birds.  Grey cheek parakeets often bond very tightly with one person, 
    so keep that in mind.  (When a bird bonds to you, it tends to nip others
    who approach you when it is being held by you, and will nip you as well
    to keep you 'in line and out of danger' as its surrogate mate!)
    Lovebirds are tough little guys and very comical to watch, but must be
    worked with almost daily to remain tame (again, only buy a handfed baby
    and get one that is **young**=6-10 weeks of age if possible).
    
    Birds are wonderful pets, but they are more work than most people
    realize, and demand a lot of attention - the bigger the bird, often
    thmore attention.  But any bird is worth your time if you enjoy
    their grace and beauty and special nature!!
    
    Good luck in your search.
    
    Linda