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Conference 7.286::pet_birds

Title:Captive Breeding for Conservation--and FUN!
Notice:INTROS 6.X / FOR SALE 13.X / Buying a Bird 900.*
Moderator:VIDEO::PULSIFER
Created:Mon Oct 10 1988
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:942
Total number of notes:6016

455.0. "Fostering Possible??" by CLOSET::COMPTON (Linda DTN381-0687 ZKO1-2/C21) Tue Nov 20 1990 17:02

    Without boring you with the details, I have placed a cockatiel egg with
    a proven breeder lovebird hen who has three chicks under a week old,
    two eggs to go, and this egg from the cockatiel pair is pipping now,
    so with luck and grace will hatch.  That's the short version! My
    question is this: will a lovebird foster a cockatiel?   Thanks for
    **any** advice, speculation, or experience with **any** fostering
    situation you have seen, done, or heard about!!  /Linda
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455.1LOVETIELS?BRAT::BOURGAULTTue Nov 27 1990 16:219
    Linda,
    
    I don't know the answer to this, but I will check in my books tonite
    to see if I can find anything.  I was wondering the same since I have
    cockatiels that never finish the incubation period of their eggs and
    I have now set up my lovebirds for breeding.  Please let me know what
    transpires.  I am very interested.
    
    Denise
455.2Sad news...and some learning for meCLOSET::COMPTONLinda DTN381-0687 ZKO1-2/C21Tue Nov 27 1990 18:1767
    Hi Denise,
    
    Sad news.  The chick hatched, healthy and vigorous, on Wednesday
    afternoon.  Chicks live for a day or two on the egg food that is
    in their crops when they hatch, at least that's what it looks like.
    That provides them with food for awhile as they transition to being
    parent fed. On Thanksgiving morning the chick was still vigorous and
    begging for food, loudly.  This was about 11 a.m.  At 5 p.m. I checked
    again and couldn't see the chick in the nest.  The lovebirds had their
    fourth chick just hatched though....Underneath the other four chicks,
    I found the baby cockatiel.  No marks on the chick, and some evidence
    of a little egg food still in the crop, but no parent-fed food.  
    So at least the lovebird parents didn't actively harm the chick.  I
    have heard some ugly stories about parents not being so kind.In
    checking with more experienced breeders, some have offered the
    following: the chick  became too weak because the lovebirds refused to
    feed and so the chick suffocated under the weight of the others....the
    cockatiel is Australian and the lovebirds are African, so their chicks beg
    for food differently and have different shaped beaks, making
    cross-feeding difficult....and lovebirds are not known as good foster
    parents, in general.  One note of consolation from Karen Herman at
    Wingsong Aviaries -- one of my favorite bird experts -- "if bird breeding 
    was easy, everyone would do it."  She also recommended reading a
    section in Rosemary Lowe's book on handrearing to put things in
    perspective.  I will stop by their store this week and read it.
    It appears I have had unusually trouble-free times so far, and that
    this kind of happening is actually fairly normal, so I should be 
    ready for it again :-(
    
    Postscript: The parents who abandoned the egg when they had an Amazon
    move in with them in their former household are now working the nest
    and are likely to try again, based on their history as told to me by
    the person who used to have them.  Ironically, this pair is said to
    be good foster parents, but they would have had to hatch out this egg
    themselves in order to start feeding (not an option, because once 
    abandoned, the parents would not resume sitting this egg, or the other
    egg that had a chick die inside, according to the former owner), or
    would have had to been feeding chicks already of approximately the same
    age (this is why I tried this chick with the lovebirds, since they did 
    have chicks the same age....).
    
    Had to pull two eggs from two other clutches of lovebirds on Friday
    that the hens had pushed away once the rest of the chicks hatched.
    A gruesome but necessary chore for the breeder is to open the eggs,
    once clearly abandoned for several days after the last chick hatched,
    to see whether the egg was fertile or not (helps to determine viability
    of the breeding pair, among other things).  These two were fertile,
    unfortunately for me who opened them that day, but good news in that
    there was a mating that had occurred, so the pair doesn't have a 
    problem in that area. (In fairness to these two pairs, one was on its
    first clutch, broke their first egg, successfully hatched three chicks
    and are feeding them just fine -- the other pair has four fine chicks
    doing very well.  These two clutches went at the same time, so if
    either had needed to be foster parents to lovebird chicks, things would
    have been okay........)
    
    In short, I don't recommend trying to foster cockatiels with
    lovebirds!!
    
    What I want now is red rump parrakeets, which are famous for their 
    exceptional abilities and willingess as foster parents to a wide
    range of types of birds, but they still do have to be at the same
    point in the breeding/hatching/feeding cycle as the chick that
    needs rearing.  Perhaps a pair or two or three of these would be
    an option for you as well??  ;')
    
    Linda
455.3ALWAYS LEARNING!BRAT::BOURGAULTWed Nov 28 1990 18:1719
    Linda,
    
    Thanks for the info.  I was afraid that the Lovebirds would do just
    that.  They can be so unpredictable.  I have also opened abandoned
    fertile eggs and it is sad, especially if they are almost ready to
    hatch.  My cockatiels have pulled this on me several times.
    
    I have a clutch of american budgies four of them to be exact.  They
    are a couple of weeks old and are doing great.  Budgies are excellent
    parents.  Their pin feathers are coming in now and it looks so far
    (although still early to tell), like I have one definite lutino
    (Mom is lutino, and dad is mostly yellow with black laced wings and
    vivid green lower belly) and two look like they are almost albino at
    this point, however wing feathers are not in as yet.  THe last one is
    to small to call.  Don't know the sex yet though.  They are so ugly
    they're cute!
    
    Thanks,
    Denise