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Conference 7.286::pet_birds

Title:Captive Breeding for Conservation--and FUN!
Notice:INTROS 6.X / FOR SALE 13.X / Buying a Bird 900.*
Moderator:VIDEO::PULSIFER
Created:Mon Oct 10 1988
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:942
Total number of notes:6016

332.0. "Handfeeding problems! Help!" by SALSA::DEFRANCO () Wed Mar 21 1990 13:57

    The breeder that I bought Sunny from is a wonderful person, but she has
    done a great job of mixing me up.  She claims that he should only need
    to be hand fed for another week but also said to feed him when he cries
    for food.  
    
    Well, I must have the words CHUCK WAGON written across my back because
    everytime I'm in site he cries for food, even right after I've fed him. 
    He is eating seed although he is slow in actually hulling them and
    getting them into the stomach.  I'm actually feeding him more than what
    the breeder suggested and he still cries.
    
    Is this normal behavior?  Will he ever stop?  I want to break him of
    his habbit but I also want to be sure he really isn't going hungry.  At
    this rate, I expect to be handfeeding way beyond one more week!
    
    Jeanne 
    
    
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332.1CSC32::K_WORKMANTTDRIVER/MODEM Tech Leader 4990Wed Mar 21 1990 14:1530
    Jeanne,
    
    Your bird (by the way what kind is he?) should be fed at regular
    intervals best determined by when his crop is empty.  When you
    feed, you fill up the crop, watch temperature and don't over feed.
    Feedings should decrease and he should be incouraged to eat on
    his own as he matures.
    
    Your bird should NOT be feed when he cries out or you (1.  Risk
    overfeeding, 2.  Will be hand feeding him for the rest of his
    life.  
    
    Weaning is difficult and depending on the type of bird, sometimes
    (carefully observed) cold turkey is the only way.  
    
    Personally, I don't believe in selling an unweaned bird unless the
    person I'm selling to has raised chicks before.  You just hear of
    too many healthy (unweaned) birds dying of starvation etc... because
    of his owners unfamiliarity with handfeeding practices.  
    
    Some say that finishing the feeding helps the bird bond to you.  If
    you buy your baby shortly after he is weaned, he will bond to you
    just as readily.
    
    I believe that in the recent Bird Talk there is also some tips on
    raising chicks.  You may want to check that out also.
    
    I hope this helps and good luck with your new baby.
    
    Karen
332.2Be cautious...GLASHR::MOEHLENPA_EDWed Mar 21 1990 21:4613
    Be cautious when using the cold-turkey approach...  Make *sure*
    it has food at least at night in it's crop.  If it sits on the bottom
    of the cage all fluffed up, you had better check the crop and feed.
    This can cause you to extend the hand-feeding out much farther than
    you might like, but you don't want to starve the bird.  Also, some
    cries are normal, especially if the bird is "stuffed".  I would
    fill my macaw babies and they both "cried" a bit when they were
    getting full.  They may be a little uncomfortable, and just need
    some attention.  I would massage their crop a bit, and just hold
    them for a bit.  No wonder both of them are spoiled rotten.
    
    Ed
    
332.3Just a little spoiled!SALSA::DEFRANCOThu Mar 22 1990 14:2710
    Spoiled!  Did I hear spoiled!  Not Sunny.  Holding him in the morning,
    at lunch, at dinner, in the evening, singing, whistling, scratching,
    petting, him at each sitting!  And the little bugger still squawks!  
    
    Now, if I just leave the room and ignore him, he's as happy as can be,
    preening, eating his seeds, jumping from one perch to another.  I think
    he's trying to give me a breakdown!  
    
    Jeanne
    
332.4RAYBOK::DAMIANOYou're overpaid...Hit the roadMon Jun 21 1993 21:2414
Here's a problem I could use some advice on. I have a 8 day old Gouldian
finch nestling that has a *huge* air bubble in his crop. He's the only one
who has this problem in a group of 5. 

I know that when food is too dry, this problem arises, but he seems to be the
only one bothered with it. How do I get rid of an air bubble?

Coincidentally(?), the parents have stopped feeding this one, so I am on my 
second day of handfeeding. He's a pretty healthy little guy, but the air 
bubble just won't go away.

Help!

John D.
332.5watery ROYALT::PULSIFERUNHAMPERED BY FACTS AND INFORMATIONTue Jun 22 1993 14:0411
    Hi John,
    
    I hope someone has called you with advice, but if not you could contact
    a local Breeder or LArge pet shop. If I were to guess how to correct
    this I would suggest feeding a VERY watery formula, to allow the Bubble
    to move. 
    
    Is it causing the bird discomfort or just worrying the parent(you) ?
    
    Doug
    
332.6RAYBOK::DAMIANOYou're overpaid...Hit the roadTue Jun 22 1993 14:1415
                                  -< watery  >-

We're doing the watery formula now, and the bubble seems to be diminishing
slowly.
 
>>    Is it causing the bird discomfort or just worrying the parent(you) ?

The baby seems fine, we just don't like looking at it, and are worried it
might cause some problems.

Thanks!

John D.
    

332.7USHS05::VASAKSugar MagnoliaTue Jun 22 1993 17:049
    
    also, be sure you've include some acidophilus in the formula...your
    baby may or may not have gotten enough "good" digestive bacteria from
    its parents.  Too little, and you can get fermentation of the food,
    which will cause the kind of bubble you describe.
    
    
    						/Rita
    
332.8PEACHS::RROGERSFri Jun 25 1993 19:598
I have one experience with this, FWIW.

When I worked in a bird rehab center, we once had a bird with a large bubble 
on/in it's crop.  The skin was quite thin over the bubble.  The curator
used a pin to poke a small hole in the skin so the air could leak out.


Roseanne