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Conference 7.286::pet_birds

Title:Captive Breeding for Conservation--and FUN!
Notice:INTROS 6.X / FOR SALE 13.X / Buying a Bird 900.*
Moderator:VIDEO::PULSIFER
Created:Mon Oct 10 1988
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:942
Total number of notes:6016

117.0. "Pekin Nightingales" by CSC32::K_WORKMAN (Hand picked by Juan Valdez) Mon Feb 13 1989 13:12

    Does anyone have any Pekin Nightingails?  They are also referred
    to as Robins but are definately not part of the Robin species. 
    
    I placed an order for a pair of these guys and also some more fire
    finches and some silver zebras.  They should be arriving around
    Wednesday or Thursday.  I have been reading up on the Pekin which
    are soft-bills and have found a wide variety of feeding techniques.
    
    They are going in a large 4x2x4 cage which should encourage them
    to sing.  These bird don't do too well in small flightless
    environments.  
    
    As far as feeding, It looks like they will get two to four meal
    worms a day and then eat myna bird fird (dry).  Apparantly they
    eat seed but don't digest it so they get little benefit from it.
    
    Does anyone out there have anymore information on these birds for
    me?
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117.1pekin robins...EUCLID::JACOBSONMon Feb 13 1989 15:5112
    
    I had some experience with these birds.  I had one Pekin robin and
    he was wonderful.  They are extremely fast birds.  I would recommend
    housing him in your largest flight cage.  They eat water soaked
    myna pellets.  They love to eat meal worms, eggs, corn, and other
    veggies.  Alot of people believe they will not eat seeds, but 
    in fact they will eat seeds if that is the only food in their cage.
    
    I sold my pekin so that I could start breeding my finches.  I have
    heard that pekin robins will eat eggs from nests....so beware...
    
    Karl......
117.2Agression?CSC32::K_WORKMANHand picked by Juan ValdezMon Feb 13 1989 17:3113
    Karl...
    
    Did you keep them sucessfully in the same flight with your finches?
    This is what I was hoping to do..  They didn't fight or anything?
    I don't use my large finch flight for breeding so the egg thing
    wouldn't be a real problem.  Actually I should probably put the
    Pekins in the canaries flight since eggs runeth over! (Just kidding).
    I was concerned about them in the finch flight as far as agression
    is concerned...  
    
    Did you enjoy his song?
    
    Karen
117.3some infoGIAENG::PULSIFERDoug Pulsifer 296-3332Wed Feb 15 1989 11:1331
    Karen, 
    
    I read in "COMMON CAGE BIRDS IN AMERICA"(pub 1966) by Val Clear last
    night about Peking Nightengales or Japenese Robins. Val seemed very fond
    of these birds. 
    
    Val said: 
    
    His song is the richeest and moarmest full throated warble of the
    imported softbills. the bird starts singing at the stroke of dawn
    every morning and Val has not woken up in a bad mood since he has
    had the birds, or needed an alarm clock.
    
    They are the fastest birds he has ever had next to hummingbirds.
    They change positions on the perch so fast you can't see them. One
    of his birds used to wait until he was changing his food dish and
    shooot out the food dish hole if he got the chance, and then it
    was next to impossible to catch him.
    
    As far as feeding he says it is simple, they eat a lot of fruit
    and mealworms, as well as some insects. They will live long and
    well on this diet.
    
    They mix very well with other birds and he has never had any problems
    wth them in mixed flights.
        
    There is no foolproof way to sex them but males sing and females
    twitter. Males are also a little bit brighter.
        
    I hope this helps,
    Doug
117.4reply...EUCLID::JACOBSONWed Feb 15 1989 11:4525
    
    re: .2
    
         The pekin did have his spats with my shaftail finch when the
    lights were dim just before bedtime.  But, this shaftail picks on
    the other finches also....  So there was not any real danger with
    the pekin living with some other finches (he can easily out fly
    any the finches that I have seen). 
    
    re: .3
    
         That is right....these pekins love any type of fruits.  They
    will take a large piece of fruit (particularly oranges) bring it
    to the top of a nesting box and start to eat little pieces....
    
    About singing...My pekin really didn't have a true song.  He would
    sing a few notes and make a few noises but not a song like some
    of the other finches....
    
    have fun enjoying these guys.....good luck trying to catch them
    out of their cage (make sure the shades are down and mirrors are
    covered)......
    
    
    Karl..........
117.5Where did you order and how much do they cost?WARLRD::SIMPSONWed Feb 15 1989 13:236
    Karen,
    
    Where did you order the Pekins, and how much do they cost?
    
    Laurie
    
117.6Thanks for all the informationCSC32::K_WORKMANHand picked by Juan ValdezWed Feb 15 1989 13:4235
    re: 3
    
    Doug, thank you so much for researching this for me.  It means alot!
    Any idea on how to feed the meal worms?  Just put them in a dish
    and hope they don't crawl out and get into my carpet and turn into
    moths?  I hate worms, but I love birds so it balances out!  I fed
    a baby Grackle meal worms for several weeks, but he ate them from
    tweasers.  
    
    re: 4 
    
    Thanks for the info.  One more question?  How big was your flight?  
    
    re: 5
    
    Hi Laurie,
    
    I am ordering these guys along with some other finches from Sigie
    Meyers.  He owns a USDA approved import station called SE BIRD CO.
    It is in San Gabriel CA.  Two other members of the cage bird club
    I belong to and I are placing a large order.  I believe he only
    ships if its 300.00 or more.  One of the members of our club went
    out to CA to visit his operation and said his place is VERY WELL
    KEPT and EXTREMELY CLEAN.  Other members have had birds including
    parrots shipped in before from him and have not lost a bird yet.  
    He apparantly uses very good shipping cages for the birds.  This 
    will be my first time buying from him.  For a pair of these guys, 
    they are 55.00 + shipping.  He only sells pairs of the finches.
    I recently sent him a letter requesting his current price list.
    If I like his birds, I may buy more.  Because they are import birds,
    I will definately quarantine them for about 30+ days.  You can't
    beat his pricing.  Nuns are 16.00 a pair.  I couldn't believe this
    seeing as how I paid ALOT more for my pair here in CO.
    
    If you want more info, let me know!
117.7more robin info....ENGINE::JACOBSONWed Feb 15 1989 16:1224
    hello again,
    my flight cage was actually too small for the robin.  It is 3'x3'x2'.
    I was housing 3 other finches with the robin at the time.  I would
    recommend something much larger....maybe 6'x7'x3'.  If I have the
    room in my apartment I would opt for that size (provided my wife
    agrees).
    
    About the worms,  I store my worms in the refridge and place about
    10 in the seed container in the morning when I feed the finches
    and the robin will jump right in......As long as you keep them
    cold (or cool) the worms will be eaten very soon.  Every once in
    a while the finches and robin would let one or two worms live til
    noon and the worms become move active.  But the worms couldn't 
    crawl out of the seed container.....Sometimes they will drop some
    worms from their perches unto the rug....no big deal...
    
    I just thought of something.... my robin loved bread soaked in
    milk.  I usually use whole wheat or oat bread saturated in milk and
    then placed on a tea saucer.  The robin will pick away at it.....
    
    About the price....this is very inexpensive....I paid $80.00 for
    one from the Boston Pet Center.  
    
    Karl........
117.8Do be cautious with meal wormsWMOIS::B_REINKEIf you are a dreamer, come in..Thu Feb 16 1989 15:076
    I would caution people to be careful not to let meal worms
    escape. If allowed to grow into winged adults they can infest
    your house terribly, attacking both foods such as flours,
    crackers, cereals, but clothing like cottons and wools.
    
    Bonnie
117.9never had a problemSVCRUS::KROLLThu Feb 16 1989 18:282
    meal worms I have had turn in to flightless adults.  preaty harmless
    with out some wet or damp area and some grain to eat.
117.10are there different kinds of meal worms?WMOIS::B_REINKEIf you are a dreamer, come in..Fri Feb 17 1989 17:537
    It may be different species of critter then. When I was teaching
    college I used to order meal worm larvae to feed the chamelons we
    had in terrariums. The packages came with major warnings about
    how destructive the adults could be if they bred and laid eggs
    in things.
    
    Bonnie