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Conference decwet::nt-developers

Title:MS Windows NT Developers
Notice:See note 1222 for MS bug reporting info
Moderator:TARKIN::LINEIBER
Created:Mon Nov 11 1991
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3247
Total number of notes:15633

3187.0. "Alpha XL 266 WNT/VC++ performance is BAD!" by HYDRA::AMORELLI () Thu Feb 13 1997 20:07

Hi,

A partner is developing an application in VC++ 4.2b on an Alpha XL 266 and is
experiencing sever performance problems when doing the simplest of operations. I
went to the customer's site to test another problem but ended up trying to
understand this performance issue.

Very simply stated, when opening a project workspace and loading the project files
it took 6 1/2 minutes to load all the files on the Alpha. The same operation took
1 1/2 minutes on an Intel based system. Tomorrow morning I'm going back to get the
configuration info, device drivers, etc, for the ALpha.

There are other problems developing in VC++ 4.2b (MSDEV) but this one has such an
impact on their production schedule they've stopped development on the Alpha and
are concentrating on the Intel only. As I said, tomorrow I'll be able to supply
more info.

	Intel 		Alpha
	--------------  -----------
	WNT 4.0		WNT 4.0  (NO FX!32) (Both using local disks)
	Pentium	Pro	21164
	128 MB Mem	128 MB Mem
	(2) 2GB Disk	(2) 1GB Disk, (1) 1 MB Disk
	150 MB swap	150 MB swap

	(For what it's worth: The development software and product
                              sources are on separate disks.)


Any ideas?

Thanks

Carl
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3187.1KANATA::TOMKINSFri Feb 14 1997 22:478
    Probably a problem with Disk I/O. Use the Performance Monitor in
    Administrative tools. I would hazard a strong look at disk
    fragmentation. Purchase a Disk Defragmenting program, or do a full
    backup, initialize the disk and then a full restore.
    
    Windows NT has a bad time with fragmentation, though MS won't admit it.
    
    rtt
3187.2PCBUOA::KRATZMon Feb 17 1997 12:177
    First of all, an Alpha XL 266 is a 266Mhz 21064A, not a 21164.
    
    A Pentium Pro 200 is about twice as fast (see SPECint, SYSmarkNT, etc)
    as the Alpha, so that accounts for most of the difference.  The
    21064A had enough trouble keepoing up with Pentiums.  Get a 500Mhz
    21164 box to look good against a Pentium Pro.
    .02 Kratz
3187.3HYDRA::AMORELLIWed Feb 19 1997 15:4114
.1

Defragmented with Diskeeper. No help.

.2:

Yes. I meant to say 366.

>Get a 500Mhz 21164 box to look good against a Pentium Pro.

Sounds easy... I'll keep saying that as the customer throws me and the
Alpha's out the window.

Thanks for the info. Although I was hoping for a bit more.
3187.4DECWET::VOBAWed Feb 19 1997 16:004
    Re .0, i think you may get more by posting it in the DECWET::VISUAL
    (VC++) notes conference.
    
    --svb
3187.5ThanksHYDRA::AMORELLIWed Feb 19 1997 18:392
Thanks... I'll try visual and when/if I find out what's happening I'll update
this note.
3187.6DECWET::GETSINGERProd Mgr -- Languages for Windows NTThu Feb 20 1997 20:404
    Does Digital own the machine? If so, grab the V5 Beta bits and take 'em
    for a spin. If not, send e-mail to me at ecg@zso.dec.com. I'll need the
    complete company name, shipping address, contact name, contact phone,
    contact fax, and contact internet address.
3187.7Does WNT service pack help?WIBBIN::NOYCEPulling weeds, pickin' stonesWed Mar 12 1997 16:5925
The fact that file I/O seems to be the problem made this note seem relevant:

                <<< TALLIS::SYS2$:[NOTES$LIBRARY]FX32.NOTE;1 >>>
                         -< Official FX!32 Notesfile >-
================================================================================
Note 268.5               FX32 performance with file I/O                   5 of 6
WRKSYS::UTZIG                                        16 lines  12-MAR-1997 13:04
                    -< Appears to be fixed after patching >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Mystery solved, it seems.   After talking with Rich Dischler
    (project mgr for the AlphaStation500), he mentioned he had
    heard some rumors about performance problems with Alpha/NT that
    were fixed in one of the service packs.  I wasn't sure it would
    make a difference, but after installing them I retried several
    of the benchmarks and to my surprise, the times came in at or
    under the Intel times!  "SI Extract Data" time, for instance,
    went from over 7 minutes to 53 seconds.  I am not sure if this
    perf problem is specific to NT Server (which is what I was using),
    or both Workstation & Server, but I would recommend installing 
    both service packs if anyone does see file performance problems..
    
    -Ned