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Does anyone have a phone number for the NY State Fair Speedway in Syracuse? 
I'd love to see these madmen on the one-mile dirt track next October...

Is this a schedule that the majority of the WOO drivers do?  If it is,
it's quite a busy year!

Dave

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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
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Subject: Re: 1993 World of Outlaws schedule
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In article <1993Jan21.195750.24711@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com (Mike Dobosz) writes:
>Dave Burden asked in our internal Racers conference whether the majority of
>the WoO drivers hit all these races.  As I'm only a casual fan of WoO, I 
>couldn't say.  Do they?

In general, only a dozen or so drivers chase WoO points to the
exclusion of other pursuits.  The rest of the field is made up of
local heroes and "bounty hunters" like Sammy Swindell and Jack Hewitt,
who prefer to pick and choose big-money races rather than attempt to
beat Steve Kinser for the series title.  This might change when Kinser
retires, and a mere mortal has a chance to win again...

>If they do, it's quite a busy year! 

Yes, it usually is.  This year they deleted the February swing through
California -- most years's seasons are even longer.  A typical WoO
schedule includes something like 100 nights of racing.  Last October
there were two events in one day -- an afternoon race at the Syracuse
mile, and that same evening at Rolling Wheels Speedway some distance
away!

No doubt about it, these guys earn what they're paid.  Which,
generally, isn't much if your name isn't Kinser.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
    Clay-starved sprint car fan

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From: jxr@nsc29teradata.com (Jon Robertson)
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Subject: Re: 1993 World of Outlaws schedule
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In article <1993Jan22.022902.22159@sequent.com>, dafuller@sequent.com (David Fuller) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan21.195750.24711@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com (Mike Dobosz) writes:
|> >
|> >In article <deanb.727544057@pecan10>, deanb@cray.com (Dean Barker) writes...
|> >
|> >[looooong schedule deleted]
|> >
|> >Dave Burden asked in our internal Racers conference whether the majority of
|> >the WoO drivers hit all these races.  As I'm only a casual fan of WoO, I 
|> >couldn't say.  Do they?
|> >
|> >If they do, it's quite a busy year! 
|> >-- 
|> >             {decvax, ucbvax, allegra}!decwrl!wfooff.enet!dobosz_m
|> >             dobosz_m%wfooff.enet@decwrl.dec.com 
|> >             dobosz_m@wfooff.enet.dec.com               DoD # 0596
|> 
|> 
|> No.  There is a cadre of 8-10 teams that make 80-90% of the races but the
|> majority of all fields are locales.
|> 
|> Not even Sammy Swindell runs all the Outlaw shows any more, choosing to 
|> run where travel and purses make sense.
|> -- 
|> Dave Fuller		 	All opinions expressed are my own and not
|> Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
|> dafuller@sequent.com
                                                                                 
      There's more like 10-15 teams that make the majority of the races and on
some legs of the series you'll see up to 20 regulars. The WoO organization foots
the lodging bills of the top 10 teams in points so that's somewhat of an incentive
to remain with the tour. Some teams will only make a regional swing (ie: west
coast) and then make it back for their local shows. The promotors also offer
appearance money to some of the top drivers knowing that having them in the
line-up will draw a larger crowd (although that's not too tough to do for a WoO
show). It's not uncommon for a WoO regular to be away from home for a month and
then stop by home for a couple of days and head out for another month. It's kind
of like traveling with the circus, it's a lot of work but it's also a lot of fun
(it's also hell on your family life, trust me, I know of which I speak).
   
    Jon Robertson
    R&R Racing
    USAC Midget #42 

    I went to a World of Outlaws race at Selinsgrove Speedway in 
    Selinsgrove, PA last year...It was GREAT! I don't see Selinsgrove on
    the schedule. Anyone know why? 
    
    		Dave

...and for all of us in the Northeast, they'll be at Lebanon Valley, NY on 
June 7th...I'll be there.

From: keeper@armory.com (Ron O'Dell)
Subject: Re: indy & other qualifying
 
In article <1993May19.145844.25210@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> mccoy@mot.com (John McCoy) writes:
>Now - who dares try to explain qualifying for a typical sprint race?
>Time trials, heats, last chance race, B-main, the whole thing....
 
I don't see many sprint-car races, but the system isn't any more weird
than at Indy.
 
All cars run two qualification laps, with the fastest lap being the one
recorded.
 
Then they run four heat races.  The top four finishers of each heat
qualify for the main event, and go into the lineup based on their
qualification lap times.
 
Those who don't qualify through the heat races enter a B-Main (or the D,
which qualifies people into the C, which qualifies people into the B).  The
top two or four or however many finishers from the B (or "last chance race")
qualify for the main event, and move into the lineup based on their initial
qualification lap times.
 
The fastest qualifiers run in a trophy dash.  The winner of it pulls a
number (1-6 or 1-8) out of a hat.  The number drawn determines a field
inversion.  Drawing a `6' means the top six cars in the field will line
up in opposite order, so the fastest qualifier starts sixth, while the
sixth-fastest qualifier goes to the pole, etc.
 
---
 
Now then, I'm not sure on one thing ... don't some sprint-car races
line up with the heat-race winners in front, while the other finishers
in the heat races line up according to qualification lap times?
 
Like I said, I don't get to see many sprint-car races.  If I did, then
I'd be more sure of this answer.
 
But it at least makes sense.  I still don't understand how the local
NASCAR events work.  Heat races only are for track points; qualifying
is by lap times only except for B-main entrants, who start the main event
from the tail of the field ... but how does the rest of the order get
determined?  It's always been a mystery to me...  I think the modifieds
have a rule where last week's winner must start at mid-pack or further
back.  The late-model heats are fielded by running down the list of
qualifying times and marking 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2.  The street stocks do heat
race lineups by groups: all the slowest qualifiers in the first heat
race, all the fastest in the fourth.
 
But the main event lineups ... [shrug].  I think they draw lots, and
colored balls.  Or maybe the colored balls are for heat-race lineups...
Sigh.  This is a system I should know, since this is what I cover most
of the time.  Strange, that, isn't it...

From: kevinc@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (kevin.j.coulter)
Subject: Re: indy & other qualifying
 
In article <1993May19.145844.25210@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> mccoy@mot.com (John McCoy) writes:
>
>Now - who dares try to explain qualifying for a typical sprint race?
>
>Time trials, heats, last chance race, B-main, the whole thing....
 
Ok, 2 timed laps. Best of which is your official time. Qualifying order
is usually by lot. Fast cars are evenly divided among the heats. Top x
cars (x varying from series to series and track to track) transfer to
the A Main or the Feature (depending on local nomenclature). Rest go
into the B main (or semi feature). Top X cars from the B transfer into
the main. All cars line up based on their originial qualifying time,
usually with an inversion determined by a die roll. Also, sometimes some
or all of the cars from the B main start at the back. Also note, there
can be C and D mains if the number of cars warrant (X cars from the D
transfer to the C where X transfer to the B).
 
>While they're at it, how about explaining the rule for green flag
>starts in World of Outlaws...
 
On the initial start of a race, they put a chalk line in the turn 3-4
area. Field must stay at pace lap speed until this point, then they can
open it up. Once the cars start to accelerate, the green WILL be given.
Now, if someone jumped the start or something, after the field gets the
green the yellow will be thrown. Then they'll line it up and try it
again. On a restart after a yellow, after the field has been given the
one lap to green signal, the leader can accelerate to race speed
beginning at some point on the back stretch announced at the drivers
meeting. At this point, the green while fly, and again, if somebody
jumped the start or whatever, then the yellow will go after most/all of
the field has seen the green.
 
It should be noted that WoO does NOT race to the yellow, so as soon as
it flies, they are out of the throttle. 
 
Now don't ask me to eggspliain how they determine the feature lineup at
my local short track. All I know is it is a combination of money won
over the last 3 nights and your qualifying time....