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    For those of you who did not see the Denver GP, you missed a good race. 
    For a first time event, it went really well.  It is a temporary course
    through the streets of downtown and runs right past the Colorado State
    House.  While I'm no fan of street races, it is amazing the
    organization and logistics required to put one of these things
    together.  There was a four hour delay Friday while changes were made
    to the barriers and fencing so that the insurance people would be
    satisfied.  But for a first time that seems pretty good.  The weather
    was outstanding.  Hot (yes, really hot for this time of year) and clear
    with not a cloud in the sky, especially on Saturday.  Well over 90
    degrees.  Yeah, I got a little sunburned.
    
    The track is, well, narrow.  Especially in a few places where it comes
    down to two lanes wide.  And the pits are the pits.  Too dangerous for
    my taste.  And the course needs a longer straight.  But the organizers
    are fully aware of it and are intending to work to change it.  The
    attendance was out of sight.  70,000 on race day, at least 50,000 for
    the Trans-Am race Saturday.  By most measurements you would have to
    call it a success.  The drivers praised the organizers and said that it
    was the best first-time race they had seen, and they loved the fans. 
    They agreed that the track was too tight in spots, but were still
    pleased with the event.
    
    For those of you who have been to F1 events, CART is a real pleasure. 
    The drivers and crews are far more accessible to the fans, on of the
    added benefits of a street course where people don't fly in and out and
    ignore the folks who pay the way.  I was able to see and speak to Eddie
    Cheever, AJ Foyt, Mario Andretti, Danny Sullivan, and others with no
    trouble.  F1 should take note.  All in all, a very good show that has
    the potential to get even better.  With Detroit gone from next year's
    calendar, I dare say that Denver and Long Beach will be the premier
    street course events, with Denver having perhaps the richest purse.
    
    Paul
    

    re: 203
    BTW, it was a heck of a race.  Five leaders, eight lead changes.  More
    passing than I would have expected.  16 cars finished.  A few brake
    failures (e.g. Teo's spectacular crash), and a bit of overheating - you
    know high altitude and temps.  It was one of the better races I've seen
    in quite a while.
    
    Paul
    

    Here is a brief recap of the Denver GP, the first Indy car race I have
    seen live and in person since the Indy 500 in 1972.  It was a truly
    enjoyable event, much more exciting in person than on TV.  You really
    start to get the feel for the drivers, cars and the race.  It was
    apparrent after watching the Saturday practice that Al Jr. was going to
    be the man to beat.  He was the only one of the top places on the grid
    to improve from Friday to Saturday -- even though the temperature was
    much higher.
    
    Anyway, on to the recap.
    
    Teo Fabi started from the pole and grabbed the early lead, but was
    pressured by Al Jr.  Mario worked his way past Michael and Little Al
    and put pressure on Teo.  Teo had brake failure going into turn 1 and
    although he was not hurt when the crash took place, he was out of the
    race and Mario was the leader.
    
    At lap 10 they brought out the only full course yellow of the afternoon
    to repair the tire wall that Teo had damaged.  Most of the front
    runners pitted under the yellow except Unser and Rahal (now up to 2nd
    from his 12th position on the grid).
    
    On the restart Al took off followed Closely by his teamate and Danny
    Sullivan.  Rahal eventually got by Al and stayed in the lead until both
    he and Al needed to pit under the green.  Sullivan led for a while, but
    when he pitted, Bobby and Little Al resumed their battle for the lead. 
    They raced closely and were opening up quite a margin to 3rd place
    Sullivan (approx. 30 seconds), when Al pitted for the last time around
    lap 60.
    
    After he rejoined the race, Unser was in 2nd place about 10-15 seconds
    behind Rahal.  He closed down to right on Bobby's rear wing when Rahal
    had to go into the pit.  Air jack failure caused him to rejoin in 3rd
    place where he finished the race.
    
    Final results:
    
    1.	Al Unser Jr.
    2.	Danny Sullivan
    3.	Bobby Rahal
    4.	Mario Andretti
    5.	Michael Andretti
    6.	John Andretti
    
    All in all a very good race.  It was the 3rd win in a row for Unser and
    I bet Bobby Rahal is getting very frustrated with his teammate.
    
    Even though AJ Foyt was able to improve from his 24 starting position
    to 8th (I think) he was not very impressive in the speed department. 
    It was reported that he enjoyed himself very much, so I think we will
    be seeing more of him.  
    
    Willy T. Ribbs was never able to get the Raynor/Cosby machine to
    perform.  It looks to me like their problem is in the pits more than it
    is the driver.  There were very few times that his car went by us that
    it was not missing badly, coughing, or just running poorly.
    
    Well on to Vancouver and another first time race.
    
    Bob J.

    Did anyone see the Vancouver CART race that was shown on TV yesterday?
    Three of the corner workers were hit in one incident and it was
    announced yesterday that one died. He was hit real hard. One of
    the three has a broken ankle and the other one, although noboby
    mentioned it has to be real sore.
    
    Al jr won but I couldn't enjoy the great racing after the went flying
    in the air.
    
    jim e
    

	It appeared that the corner workers got excited or something and
	jumped right into Willy T. Ribbs' oncoming car.  A TV type interviewed
	his pit crew and it sounded as though Willy didn't know that he had 
	struck anyone.  A sad incident.

	I thought that the TV coverage of this race was one of the worst jobs
	I have seen in a while.  Lots of coverage of empty race track, or 
	views of the leader zooming around all alone.  Whenever they did
	show a pack of cars that was racing, they would cut away just as they
	would get to a corner where some passing might occur.  I noticed 
	although ESPN did the coverage, all of the footage was supplied by
	ABC.  Why?  It seemed to me that ESPN was forced to take a feed from
	the Canadian TV station, especially with all of the coverage they gave
	Scott Goodyear (however, he did drive a VERY good race).
	

    I replayed the incident a few times slow, then fast. The workers
    just finished pushing a car to get it started. Once it got going
    they wanted to get get off the track as soon as possible, but forgot
    to look first. Willy also didn't leave any skid marks trying to
    avoid them. Bad scene all around.
    

Yesterday, during the Monza F1 race, the ESPN pit reporter said that 
Nigel Mansel, had hinted at " a very substantial offer " from an American
team to go Indy car racing.

My question is, I wonder which team it is?   I doubt that he would come over 
to be part of a second tier team.  I  don't think there is going to be enough
cars for the drivers we have now.  Sullivan is going to be looking for a ride,
John A & Teo Fabi are with out Porsche, although Derick Walker may pick one up
for his new team.  Jim Hall is starting a team and there is a rumored Cosworth
house car in the works.  However there are still a lot of Indy car drivers 
from LAST year with out rides as yet, Crash Cogan comes to mind.  So where
does Mansel fit in?

    re. .209 and Mansel:  I think you will be hearing about some more new
    teams between now and New Years Day. There have been rumors about the
    Jap. big three, Honda, Nissan, and Toyota, looking at Indy/CART. There
    may well be some VERY serious money being lined up/spent now that
    hasn't hit the press yet. Them guys can keep secrets (like Pearl
    Harbor). - Chris (whose dad was in Hawaii in '41)

    Yesterday during the F1 race from Monza it was reported that JMB held a
    press conference and declared war on CART in general and the Australian
    race in particular.  He also announced the new international oval track
    series, with Indianapolis as one of the sites.  Later they pointed out
    that the race would be in Indy, but would not be the Indy 500.  They
    are going to have more details on ESPN tonight in the Motorweek
    Illustrated show.
    
    Interesting to say the least.  I wonder what kind of turn out they
    would get at Indy for an international race as compared to the "real"
    Indy 500.  My guess is much smaller attendance, publicity, etc.
    
    I really hate to see this kind of bickering between the different forms
    of racing.  In the long run it just hurts all of racing.
    
    Bob J.

    A couple of things.  Speculation in the press was that this series
    might never get off the ground.  I guess I feel the same.  It still
    looks like JMB and Bernie sniping at CART.  That's too bad because only
    the race fans come off short.
    
    What?  No comments on Mid-Ohio??  While I'm sure that the racers and
    their teams didn't have a good time, the contantly changing conditions
    made for a very entertaining race.  It was interesting to watch the
    reaction of the cars and drivers to the changing conditions.  It
    appeared that the Penskes don't do as well in the rain as the Lolas. 
    They were able to close when things dried out but lost out again when
    the rains returned.  Eddie Cheever looked very good in this race, and
    much better than Denver or Vancouver.  He was a very strong 2nd before
    Michael booted him.  I thought he had a chance to win this one.  Both
    the Andrettis looked strong.  Mario made some passes that were really
    brave and showed that he does have a great deal of skill even though he
    still doesn't always drive with his head.  In all, the Haas-Newman
    folks must be very pleased with thier weekend.  Lil' Al continues
    strong and looks like a cinch to win the title.  This was a very
    interesting race for the tv spectator.  I just might re-run here in a
    few days.
    
    Paul
    

Read in today's paper that Penzoil couldn't work a deal with Penske so they 
signed with Jim Hall.  Looks like Hall has the $$$, now lets see who he 
signs to drive.

    .re -.1
    
    I too had read that Pennzoil was going to Jim Hall.  
    
    Too bad!  It won't seem right to see Rick Mears in Marlboro colors and
    someone else in the Bright Yellow of Pennzoil.
    
    Bob J.

    re .-a couple,  Pennzoil and Jim Hall go back aways, so that's not
    really a surprise.  Historically I'd say there's much more tradition of
    Chapparral wearing the Pennzoil yellow than of Mears.  Now as long as
    we don't see Al Sr. or Lone Star JR trying a comeback in that livery...
    
    re .212 - I lucked into turning ESPN on the other night in the middle
    of Mid-Ohio, managed to get the last two-thirds or so on tape for later
    review.  It looked like a real good race, lots of close dicing plus the
    weather factor.  Gotta disagree with one thing, though:
    	"Eddie Cheever looked very good in this race, [...] He was a very 
    	strong 2nd before Michael booted him."
    Actually, it looked to me like Cheever ran over the end of Micheal's
    front wing when he slammed the door a little late.  Cheever had just
    slammed the door in Michael's face emphatically at the last possible
    moment on the previous turn, and I thought Eddie got it a little late
    on the one that brought him to grief.  I would certainly not blame
    Michael for it, as the phrasing quoted seems to imply.  At most it was
    one of those incidents that is a consequence of racing in close
    quarters.
    

	I thought Mid-Ohio was a very good race.  Conditions like that even
	out the cars and put the drivers back in control of the race.
	I think Micheal A. must'a took a couple of "Ernhart" pills.  He ran
	into Cheever twice, and his dad once.  I was really rooting for Mario
	to win this race but............


	Interesting comment from Guerro, that Alfa wanted an Italian driver, so
	he is out looking for a ride.

    Yeah, bad choice of words.  They were going at it pretty hard.  You
    gotta figure the weather, adn I would guess that Eddie smelled a win,
    something he hasn't had many of in the last few years.  At any rate,
    the race was enjoyable.  Anyone who wins in those conditions has earned
    it.
    
    Paul
    

There was some interesting stuff at Road America.

I couldn't figure out who bumped wheels with Andretti on the first lap.

They said that Fabi had a lug nut come loose. There's no excuse for a
mistake like that. Come on Derrick... How'd that happen? Are these guys
cracking under the preasure? They need results not mistakes.

Seemed like Li'l Al wasn't going to push it. Seemed like he just wanted to
get a couple of points so Michael wouldn't catch up too much.

Is that going to be the end of Mr. Foyt's CARTing?

And the points race is still on.

    	Maybe there is justice: Sully winning last year at Mike's expense,
    Mike winning this year at Sully's.
    	Yeah, I think AJ will hang it up. If you don't test/develop, you
    just can't be competitive and AJ seems to be too busy with his
    dealerships and horses and what not to do CART 100%.
    	As a corner worker, I've worked 5 and Canada Corner. What a track!
    (I've never seen such a high % of blonds in the spectator area of any
    track! And the food....sigh.)  - Chris

    
    
    
    			Micheal bumped wheels with Mario.
    
    
    
    								Rich P.
    

Just read in the paper that AJ should be able to walk in about 8 weeks and 
plans to be back behind the wheel at the beginning of next season.


STRETCH 

    If someone gets time could they put in here a brief who's who of CART
    racing.In the UK we get very little coverage of CART racing and I only
    came across this form of racing when I accidently video-taped a program
    called "Indy world".We get this program broadcast at approx 3.00 am in
    the morning in the UK,and it appears to be a summary of the program as
    the race highlights are very brief and confusing.
    I must admit that I did not realise that these machines were raced on
    street circuits I thought they only raced on oval bowls.
    Once again if someone could spend some time and give a complete novice
    like myself some information on the top drivers,circuits cars etc it
    would be very much appreciated.
    I would like to know the differences between CART and F1 which I follow
    quite closely.
    Finaly I noticed that one of the cars had a Digital logo on the front
    could you give some information as to DEC's involvement in CART.
    
    	thanks in advance
    
    steve
    

re. .222
See the RACERS Notefile, note #700 for the most depth on CART.

CART is more like advanced professional-level kit cars than F1, which lowers
costs dramatically.  Promoters can have a race for a fraction of the Bernie
Ecclestone F1 cost.

Most chassis come from LOLA or Penske (from Poole, England, actually).  March 
chassis was on top a few years ago, but neglected to represent itself better on 
CART's board of directors (perhaps by letting one of the team owners be the 
March distributor a la Carl Hass of LOLA).  CART is clique-ish like a family,
which makes a more relaxed atmosphere, more accessible drivers and other
players, but also more able to "rule out" strong non-member competition (e.g.
Porche's carbon fiber chassis was disallowed this year, but carbon fiber will
be permitted next year, when the rest of the teams can have them.)

Engines are small turbo V8's (about 163 cubic inches and 47 lbs boost) that
make about 7-800 hp.  The Ilmore Chevy (25% owned by Penske) is presently on 
top.  Cosworth, Buick, Alfa (carrying the Digital logo, I believe) and Porsche
are also represented.

CART is more competitive than F1 fans usually realize.  Like F1, the winner is
often determined by who had the best chassis setup on a given day.  The top 5
drivers are probably as capable as the top 5 F1 (possibly except for Senna).
Former F1 world champs Fittipaldi and Andretti do NOT dominate.  I'm SURE there
will be no controversy on this paragraph!

Overall, the competition is a little closer than F1, not being as dependent on
mega budgets.  On a given day a "right-on setup" can put any one of the top 10
up front.  There is much emphasis on pit stop strategy (fuel as well as tires),
because adjustments are often made, giving an element of "heat" racing and
chassis tuning on the fly.

A great variety of circuits are run (road courses, street circuits, ovals,
triovals etc.), emphasizing a greater variety of driving skills than F1. 
Chassis tuning and driving an oval race at CONSTANT speeds of 190-235 mph is
NOT the same as road circuit driving.

/Mick Coughlin

    slight correction: 45 inches manifold pressure, not 45 pounds of boost.
    I'm not sure if that's 45 inches absolute or gage. Remember that
    atmospheric is 30 inches. So we may be talking only 1/2 bar (7 psi)
    of boost.
    	- Chris
    
    or, if it's gage, then they can go to 2.5 bar absolute or 21 psi
    boost...

    re .223 - 
CART is more competitive than F1 fans usually realize.  Like F1, the winner is
often determined by who had the best chassis setup on a given day.  The top 5
drivers are probably as capable as the top 5 F1 (possibly except for Senna).
Former F1 world champs Fittipaldi and Andretti do NOT dominate.  I'm SURE there
will be no controversy on this paragraph!
    
    Here's your controversy (maybe not what you expected though):  
    I do not accept the implications of that comment excepting Senna,
    because I believe Prost is equally capable. I would find no controversy
    if the exception included both of the two drivers who have dominated
    the World Championship standings for the past five years or so.  FWIW,
    my convinction is that Prost is capable of driving to the same limit as
    Senna, the visible difference is that Senna will accept a slightly
    higher level of risk than Prost (in most cases).  Thus Senna both
    dazzles and crashes unnecessarily, while Prost garners unspectacular
    points by leaving just the tiniest smidgen more margin - because he
    choses to, not because he is incapable of pushing things beyond the
    point he decides is appropriate.
    
    For the non-controversial point, more relevant to the topic at hand, in
    CART the winner is very often determined not just by the best chassis
    on a given day, but even by the best chassis tune during given stages
    of the race.  In F1 the decision around tires seems to be simple
    A:B:C's while in CART it involves stagger and changes to match the tire
    and the chassis to each other and to the changing track conditions. 
    This factor becomes decisive in the 500 mile races on the ovals, where
    a car can be dominant for part of the race and then fade dramatically
    as the chassis tune "goes off" and some other competitor "comes in"
    when track conditions, tires, and chassis changes interact.
    
    For this reason (primarily), oval track racing turns out to be
    considerably more subtle that road racing, IMHO as a confirmed
    road-racing afficiando.
    
    There are some other factors that are involved in CART that are not
    seen in F1.  Pit stops in F1 are not at all the same science as they
    are in CART.  Most obviously, F1 has no limit on the number of crew
    over the wall, while CART limits the number of people who can be
    actively working on the car.  CART races inevitably require pit stops,
    I'm not sure but I suspect alway multiple stops, to add fuel.  F1 races
    do not allow adding fuel, and pit stops are optional (and thus a
    different element of strategy enters into the decision to pit or not to
    pit).  CART strategy sometimes includes the decision whether or not to
    pit at the end of a race, but more often the strategy is a matter of
    phasing the stops.  Getting out of phase means having to make an extra
    stop to add fuel essential to finishing, at the cost of the extra time. 
    This happens when yellow-flag situations are guessed wrong.  Pitting
    under the green is costly, pitting under yellow is less costly, so
    there is an incentive to take advantage of situations.  On the other
    hand, playing the situations differently can work if the future turns
    out right and can cost if it turns out wrong, that's a strategic gamble
    that F1 doesn't see.
    
    The other part of this is that pit stops routinely include changes to
    adjust the car in CART.  Since pit stops themselves are routine, this
    makes sense, while F1 doesn't normally allow enough opportunity for
    such efforts to be worthwhile (normally one pit stop is the F1 max,
    while CART usually sees several to many).  Pit work thus becomes a
    major factor, and also the ability of the driver (and crew and team
    management and engineers) to read changing conditions and make the
    right choices is a very important skill.
    
    Again, IMHO this adds much subtlety to the mechanical aspects of the
    game, as compared to F1.  
    

I agree that both Senna and Prost are BOTH a step ahead of the other F1 
drivers. But I'd really like to see an IROC race with the top 5 or so 
drivers from CART and F1 in something like Formula Atlantics. I'm sure 
it would be entertaining.

How about a three race series-
	one oval (1/2 points because the F1 drivers would be at a
		disadvantage)
	one street race (Detroit since they all have experience 
		there)
	one permanent circuit where they don't routinely run like 
		Mosport

At about $60k/car + spares, tires... about 3/4 million dollars+

I know Al Jr., won at Vancouver, but can someone tell me who the rest of the
top 5 were?

Thanks,
Mike

    C'mon guys, lets get this note going again !! Whats happened recently.
    
    Dave

    
    Although I did not get to see the race, I heard the Marlboro Challenge
    and its $250,000 first prize went to Rick Mears with Emmo coming in
    2nd.
    
    In the Bosch Spark Plug 200 at Nazareth, the top spots were turned
    around from the Marlboro challenge with Emmo coming 1st and Mears
    coming second .367 sec behind.  Bobby Rahal, the pole sitter was 3rd 1
    lap down and Mario Andretti was 4th.  One more lap down was Michael
    Andretti in 5th.
    
    Al Unser Jr. won the title even though he was the innocent victim of a
    crash between Danny Sullivan and Arie Luyendyk.  Both Danny and Arie
    blamed each other, but it was quite clear to me that Arie was to blame. 
    He clipped the front of Sullivan and bounced over his front wheel into
    the rear of Little Al putting Al into the wall.  Sullivan was on the
    extreme lower apron of the track with nowhere to go when Arie ran over
    him.  He was going slower and gave both Al and Arie as much room as
    possible.  Arie thinks that after he gave the room, he moved back up
    into him, but the replay does not show this to be the case.  The only
    other place Sullivan could have gone was down the pit road.
    
    The incar shots and sounds from Al's car were very frightening.  He was
    taken to the hospital for examination and a possible concussion.  He
    was informed of winning the championship while at the hospital.  His
    injuries were reported to be minor and when they interviewed his wife she
    did not seem too concerned.
    
    Bob J.

    
    ...and to think that DOMINO'S PIZZA is trying to quietly rid itself of
    the clamor from its delivery drivers causing MAYHEM in the streets of
    the US of A, all in an effort to meet the 30 minutes or less,
    (unless, of course, we have a little altercation with some poor,
    innocent, pedestrian, another vehicle, vehicular homicide, etc. etc., 
    but don't worry, in these cases, the pizza pie is FREE!)
    
    Since when does Nazareth have three lines through ANY corner??  GET A
    CLUE, ARIE.  
    
    Thankfully, all injures were reported as MINOR, but, the replay from
    inside Lil' Al's car, very, very eerie.  He took a real shot.
    
    Not the way a Championship should be decided, on the way to a hospital.

I was at Nazareth Sunday.  I had the good fortune to have a couple cheap 
seats (row 3, turn 1), courtesy of Roger Penske and a friend of mine who 
works for him.  

I don't have enough information for a full race report, but I do have a few 
impressions:

	o   That track is *sticky*!  I've been to a lot of races, and I 
	    have never seen cars corner like that.  Truly awesome and 
	    intimidating!  I think lap speeds were in the vicinity of 
	    170 mph...on a 1 mile oval!

	o   Emmo definitely had the field covered...what a surprise, huh?
            Mears *maybe* could've reeled him in, but traffic is always a 
	    factor at Nazareth.  The place is nearly one continuous corner.

	o   I saw a replay of the Unser/Luyendyck(sp?)/Sullivan incident...
	    IMHO, Arie owes an apology to Al Junior and especially to Mr. 
	    Sullivan.  His comments after the race inferring that it was 
	    Sullivan's fault were just plain wrong.  

	o   After the race was over, the gate to the infield that crossed 
	    the track was opened.  My friend and I were able to meander 
	    about the infield and see some really neat things.  I watch the 
	    scrutineering of winning car, chatted with a Rahal crewman 
	    about the on-board camera and generally had a great time.  It 
	    was as it should be...and with that thought in mind, Formula 1 
	    in Canada may become something I learn to live without.  The 
	    show in Nazareth completely blew away the Montreal GP in the 
	    "bang-for-the-buck" department.

	o   The Alfa-Romeo team truck has a prominent Digital emblem among 
	    it's many other sponsors.  I should have brought my badge...

All in all, a good time...and the weather!  80 degrees in early October?  
Not bad at all!
							Mike

    Mike, who do you know at Jake Brake? (free tickets) I had a chance to
    go to INDY complements of Jake...
    
    The Mad Weldor....Jim

Re.: Note 700.232 by WFOV12::KOEHLER "The FF is full...." 

>    Mike, who do you know at Jake Brake? (free tickets) 

Richie "Alain Prost" Stauring from right here in WFO is my long-time 
race-going buddy.  His brother works at the local Penske trucking outfit.

>I had a chance to go to INDY complements of Jake...

Sounds like an offer too good to refuse...what happened?

We *may* have that opportunity coming our way, too.  I hope so...I'd like 
to experience Indy at least once...
							Mike

    The reason I didn't go to INDY was that I had a prior commement to go
    to N.Y. city to see my daughter play in Carnage Hall.
    
    The Mad Weldor....Jim

    Jim,
    	Was that intentional or not?  The place that you were talking about
    is Carnegie not carnage.
    					John
    

    It's official: the lovely Danny Sullivan has signed on with Patrick
    Racing International to campaign a Lola-Alfa Romeo in Miller Genuine
    Draft colors in 1991.  

I seem to remember before the season started telling you all to watch out for
Eddie Cheever. He has just picked up this years "Rookie of the year award" and
signed up for a further 2 years with Ganassi. I don't find this surprising at
all, the term "Rookie" hardly applies to Eddie.

I've followed the the Sportscar trail in Europe (Group C) for a while now and
have had the pleasure of seeing Eddie drive at places like Le Mans, Silverstone
and Spa. The guy is *good* !!

What do the Americans think of their long lost "native" son ?

Dave

I never cared for Mr. Under-A-Cheever. Yes he won the rookie of the 
year honors but that is a bit of a joke considering his experience and 
level of finances.

I have always thought he had an ego much too large for his level of 
skill.

He didn't do badly for his first year in CART even though I think 
his best finishes capitalized on other drivers failures.

I hope nobody is going to say "Well, he was a backmarker in F1 and did 
real well in CART so CART must not be competative." He started out the 
season in the car that won the championship last year (Penske) and was
barely competative. Then moved into an identical car to the one that
ended up winning this years championship. It would be like 

---- Taking Roberto Moreno out of a car that he couldn't even qualify ---
and then putting him in something like a Benetton and watch him do
well in a race where all of the leaders disappeared!

I'm not knocking Moreno cause I know he's good. Just saying that you 
can't compare Cheever's performance in the Arrows to Cheever's 
performance in a Lola-Chevy with a team manager like Ganassi.

In short I always thought Mr. Cheever was a spoiled rich boy with more 
money than talent. 

    
    It won't happen in '91 but there seems to be a good chance now that
    NHIS will get an Indy car date in '92.  That is, if there is anything
    left after Bernie chews them up and spits them out.  :^)
    
    Nate