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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

891.0. "selling stock certificates!" by HDLITE::PASHAPOUR (Disk space, the final frontier) Tue Jul 18 1995 14:05

    Hi,
    
    I have stock certificates for my shares in a company and want to sell
    them. Has anybody dealt with this kind of thing?  I don't have a broker
    in the area and hate to mail the certificate anywhere.  I prefer going
    to a local guy and get the cash (I am buying a house and need the cash
    fast), if possible.
    
    Any help is greatly appreciated.
    
    Amin
    
    p.s.  How much do I have to pay for this transaction?
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891.1Should be no problemGLRMAI::WILKESTue Jul 18 1995 14:195
    Take the certificates to a deep discount broker in your area. Without
    knowing how many shares you have to sell it is hard to project an exact
    cost to sell. An estimate would be $25-50.
    
    Lyndon
891.2Around Westbor with 750 sharesHDLITE::PASHAPOURDisk space, the final frontierTue Jul 18 1995 14:507
    Thanks Lyndon.  I live in Westboro.  The cert. is for 750 shares.
    
    Any "deep discount broker" around Westboro?
    
    Thanks again.
    
    Amin
891.3PCBUOA::KRATZTue Jul 18 1995 15:098
    Amin,
    A lot of brokers will require you to open an account with them before
    you can walk in the door with a stock certificate and sell it.  This
    requires you to fill out some forms and usually wait about a week.
    
    As for discount brokers, there's very low cost StockCross in Boston.
    As for closeness but high commission, there's an AG Edwards in Worcestor.
    Kratz
891.4I've taken certs to Fido in suburbiaEVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireTue Jul 18 1995 15:138
>    As for discount brokers, there's very low cost StockCross in Boston.
>    As for closeness but high commission, there's an AG Edwards in Worcestor.
    
    And a compromise would be Fidelity in Burlington (?). On route 3A just
    outside of 128. A low brick building on the left (heading away from 128)
    within a couple stoplights of the exit.
    
      John
891.5NETRIX::michaudJeff Michaud, That GroupTue Jul 18 1995 15:317
>     I have stock certificates for my shares in a company and want to sell ...

	I hope they are public shares (vs. private) .....

	BTW, there is no problem mailing certificates.  As long as you
	properly fill out the back before you mail them they will only
	be negotiable to the broker you've signed them over to.
891.6Fidelity has movedPOWDML::VISCONTITue Jul 18 1995 16:375
    RE: 891.4, Fidelity has moved out of the building on Rt. 3A and now
    resides on the Burlington Mall Rd., across from Lahey Clinic.
    
    Regards,
    Jim
891.7Try Brown & Co.GLRMAI::WILKESTue Jul 18 1995 17:303
    Even though I am a long time and active customer of StockCross. I think
    Brown & Company in Boston is both reputable and less expensive than
    StockCross.
891.8Thanks and ???HDLITE::PASHAPOURDisk space, the final frontierTue Jul 18 1995 17:5514
    Thanks so much you all.  I was also told about Schwab (sp?) around
    Chestnut Hill.
    
    RE: .5,
    
    What do you mean by public vs private shares?  I bought the shares from
    a broker and asked them to send me the certificate and closed my
    account with them. Good thing I did, as the company went under two
    months after I got the certs.
    
    Thanks again.
    
    Amin
           
891.9NETRIX::michaudJeff Michaud, That GroupTue Jul 18 1995 18:319
> What do you mean by public vs private shares?

	Not all stock is publically traded (ie. private stock is not
	traded on the exchanges, you usually have to go to the co.
	I believe).

	I'm in the process of trying to unload some private stock I
	have (in a privately held company) and it's a pain dealing
	with the idiots ......
891.10SOLVIT::CHENTue Jul 18 1995 18:4115
    You and also use Waterhouse Securities. They have an office in Boston.
    There is no problem with sending your certificate to the broker. Don't
    use regular US mail. Instead, use "registered mail" or a private
    carrier like Federal Express. It should be quite safe.
    
    Just because you bought those shares from a broker, it doesn't mean the
    shares are still publicly traded. It could be pulled off the market after
    you have purchased it. I have seen this happened with IPO shares. I
    would recommed that you call a broker (any broker) and ask them about
    the market price of your stock before you send your certificate to
    anywhere. If you can get a price, you know it is publicly traded. And,
    based on the price, you can make a decision whether you want to seel it
    now or not. 
    
    Mike 
891.11it is public!HDLITE::PASHAPOURDisk space, the final frontierTue Jul 18 1995 19:159
    OK!  It is definitely public, as I can get its price on the web.

    I don't really want to open an account with anybody to get my money.  I
    will be calling those companies listed earlier tomorrow.

    Thanks again.

    Amin 

891.12You need a broker's services to sellMEMIT::BATORTue Jul 18 1995 21:427
    re: .11
    
      If you sell it to a friend or family member, then OK. If
    however you want a broker to find you a buyer, then you must
    open an account and pay him a commission. Only licensed brokers
    can sell stock on an exchange, where you don't know the buyer.
    This is similar to listing your house with a broker.  
891.13CSC32::J_OPPELTWanna see my scar?Tue Jul 18 1995 22:011
    	If you want to do a private sale, see 813.6
891.14US Mail is safe for stock certificatesNOTAPC::LEVYWed Jul 19 1995 16:2312
    re:                   <<< Note 891.10 by SOLVIT::CHEN >>>

   > Don't
   > use regular US mail. Instead, use "registered mail" or a private
   > carrier like Federal Express. It should be quite safe.
    
    Why? Endorsed stock certificates aren't negotiable, except by the
    intended recipient. 
    
    Do you make all your bill payments by FedEx or Registered Mail? How is
    a check different from a stock certificate? (Answer: The certificate
    replacement fee is alot lower than the stop payment fee :-)
891.15SOLVIT::CHENWed Jul 19 1995 19:048
    re: .14
    
    You already answered your own question. Regular US mail is NOT
    traceable. So, if it is lost, you are out of luck and you have to pay
    to get the certificate replaced. It's alot cheaper to send registered
    mail than to replace the certificate. Got it?  :-)
    
    Mike
891.16NOTAPC::LEVYThu Jul 20 1995 17:0118
    re:                   <<< Note 891.15 by SOLVIT::CHEN >>>
           
   > It's alot cheaper to send registered
   > mail than to replace the certificate. 
    
    Actually, both cost about $5. If you use regular mail, you might have
    to pay it (in the unlikely event the cert doesn't reach its
    destination.) If you use Registered mail, you are _guaranteed_ to pay
    the $5.
    
    My real point is this: If you trust regular mail enough to pay your
    bills, there's no incremental risk involved with mailing a stock
    certificate.
    
    Of course, if you don't trust regular mail for anything, use
    Registered, FedEx, courier, whatever. It's your nickel.
                                                           
    Jon
891.17PCBUOA::KRATZFri Jul 21 1995 15:412
    I've used regular mail for sending ESPP certificates to my broker
    for the last dozen or so buys; no problems yet.
891.18SOLVIT::CHENFri Jul 21 1995 17:286
    Personally, I do not trust regular US mail. I have lost numerous items
    through them and some costed me rather dearly. I would not use them
    to send anything that is important or valuable. I guess that's just my
    personal choice. 
    
    Mike
891.19Try Fidelity in Worcester vs. BurlingtonMR1MI1::SHERWINJim SherwinFri Jul 21 1995 17:523
    	Fidelity also has an office on Rt 9, in Worcester, about 1/2 - 1
    	mile beyond White City Plaza; basically across from U Mass Medical
    	Center.  A tad closser to Westboro than Burlington.
891.20AIAG::WEISSMANThu Jul 27 1995 20:475
    how did you get stock certificates replaced for only $5.  A few years
    ago I lost some certificates - not in the mail - and I was required to
    buy a surety bond for 2% of the value of the stock before they would
    issue me a new certificate - i was told by the company's tansfer agent
    that this was standard practice.
891.21NOTAPC::LEVYFri Jul 28 1995 16:134
    re: 20
    
    A note in here (or Digital_Investing) described someone's first-hand
    experience, which mentioned a fee of $5.
891.22CSC32::J_OPPELTWanna see my scar?Fri Jul 28 1995 21:158
    	Perhaps it varies from transfer agent to transfer agent.
    
    	The DEC transfer agent charges $5/certificate that needs to
    	be replaced.  I asked (specifically to weigh the cost/risk
    	of sending then US mail.)
    
    	Disney transfer agent also charges $5.  I have no first-hand
    	experience from any others.
891.23NETRIX::michaudJeff Michaud, That GroupFri Jul 28 1995 23:058
>     	The DEC transfer agent charges $5/certificate that needs to
>     	be replaced.  I asked (specifically to weigh the cost/risk
>     	of sending then US mail.)

	If you had multiple certificates for the same security that you
	needed replaced, can you have them issue you a single replacement
	consolidating all the shares?  Or is the $5/certificate-being-replaced
	vs. $5/new-certificate-being-issued?
891.24good question!CSC32::J_OPPELTWanna see my scar?Sat Aug 05 1995 20:053
    	re .-1
    
    	You'd have to ask the transfer agent.