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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

495.0. "1 account or two for twins?" by CSC32::S_MAUFE (this space for rent) Mon Jun 07 1993 16:32

    Children questions.
    
    1. I have twin 9 months old daughters. If I started putting some money
    in an IRA for them, should I have two accounts or one? I'm not thinking
    of putting a lot in each week, so would like to keep expenses down by
    having one account if possible.
    
    2. I'm a legal permanent resident alien in the US, and may move back to
    Britain in 5 years or so. Does anybody know the tax rules on cashing in
    an IRA cos you're leaving the country?
    
    3. Anybody recommend any good books for figuring out saving for your
    children?
    
    Thanks ! Simon
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495.1CADSYS::BOLIO::BENOITMon Jun 07 1993 16:515
I don't think you can start an IRA for them.  An IRA must be funded from income
from working.  I believe the only tax sheltered account for non-working minors
is an annuity.

Michael
495.2SFC01::SFC01::SMITHPWritten but not readMon Jun 07 1993 19:1424
Simon,

	1. Dollars cost avg for the twins is a good idea for college etc. 
	However an IRA is not the vehicle. Here in Colorado they do support
	UTMA (Uniform Transfer to Minors Act). You can tax shalter your 
	transfers using a UTMA. A UTMA is a perm.transfer to the kido's. See 
	not string 52.5 for UGMA/UTMA rules. Janus Funds have a decent deal 
	on monthly lots (not sure about weekly?). Janus will support lots of 
	$50.00 per account per month with no fees or minimums to open. You can 
	deposit into any janus fund from worldwide/bonds/money market etc.
	
	2. Not sure of the tax rules for cashing out early from a UTMA/UGMA. 
	Here in CO the child gets full access to the account at 21 years. Prior
	to that any withdrawls must be for education related expenses only.
	Since you might return to England in 5 years it doesn't sound like
	UTMA/UGMA would be a good idea. Perhaps just a separate account for the
	kido's would be best.

	3. There are tons of college savings books/mags at the library. Check 
	out Money mag. annual college planning at the library after your shift. 
	Fidelity also has a college planning kit for free. Just call them at
	1-800-544-6666 and select option 4. Also see notes 339.* and 173.*
	
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495.3here's what I do for my twinsDELNI::GIUNTATue Jun 08 1993 01:0637
    Simon,
    
    I have separate accounts for my 2-year-old twins for a lot of reasons,
    but mostly because I think of them as separate and not as a unit, and
    they each may have a different goal for the money when they are old
    enough to use it.  I started by saving all the money they received as
    gifts for Christmas and birthdays, and had $10 a week per child taken
    out of my check.  When it reached $1000 each, I started a mutual fund
    for each of them. I have since raised my weekly deduction to $20 per
    child per week, and when I get $100 in the account, I send it in to the
    mutual fund.
    
    I didn't set up the accounts in their names as I like having control
    over the funds, and if they want to waste the money on drugs or cars
    when they are 18, they can't do it if the money is not in their names. 
    And since we'd pay the taxes at our rate til they turn 14 anyhow, I
    don't see any advantage to having the accounts in their names.  To
    distinguish, I just put my name first and my husband's second on
    Jessica's, and the opposite on Brad's.
    
    You cannot do an IRA for your daughters.  If you do UGTM, there may be
    some special programs that don't require the same minimum investments
    because children's accounts usually start out small.
    
    Another thing you could do is to buy some stock for each of them that
    has a dividend reinvestment program because you can send in small
    amounts to add to the investment.  I plan to buy things like Disney or
    McDonald's once I start doing this for the kids (I already do it for
    our retirement savings, and it really does build up fast) so that they
    will know the companies they own stock in and maybe get more interested
    as they get older.
    
    Best of luck saving.  And no matter which way you do it, keep adding a
    little at time and the girls will have a nice nestegg when they need
    it.
    
    Cathy
495.4GiftTrust (child doesn't get at 18)TLE::JBISHOPTue Jun 08 1993 14:2827
    I recommend two accounts--but you might want to get some things
    settled in your mind first, as you may not really believe in 
    separate accounts.
    
    Consider what you would do if child A needed lots of money for a
    non-fun "extra" (like physical therapy to compensate for an illness)
    and had used up all of the "A" account.  Would you take money from
    child B's account for it?
    
    Consider what you would do if child A showed great talent--really
    great talent, gold-metal-at-the-Olympics-talent--at something. 
    Training takes lots of time and money--would you use B's account 
    after you'd used up A's?
    
    If you would, maybe you should have one account and call it the
    "kid" account, or it won't feel fair to B or yourselves.
    
    On the matter of "where", 20th Century has a "GiftTrust" fund which
    sets up a trust which owns shares in a mutual fund.  You get to pick
    when the trust dissolves (when the child is 35 or 50, for example),
    but that feature makes the gifts not gifts of "present interest" and
    so you must pay gift tax on the gift.  GiftTrust has had good growth
    in the past, and can do automatic re-investment, etc..  But I suspect
    it'd be hard to get money out of it for emergencies.  Call or write
    20th Century for details.
    
    		-John Bishop
495.5still taxedCSC32::K_BOUCHARDTue Jun 08 1993 20:365
    A UTMA account isn't tax sheltered. You still end up paying taxes on it
    every year but it's at the child's rate since it's really his/her
    money.
    
    Ken