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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

225.0. "shorting on margin" by PAMSRC::SKELDING () Fri Jun 19 1992 16:20

Question:  How do most brokerage firms handle shorting on margin?

If I short some stock using my long positions in other stocks to support the
short. What interest fees are charged?

Scenerio 1:
   Since stock is supporting the short, I am charged nothing.

Scenerio 2:
   The brokerage firm loans me 50% of the price of the short to support
   the margin requirement, and charges me interest on that loan.

Scenerio 3:
   The brokerage firm loans me 100% of the price of the short, and charges
   me interest on that loan. 

In all cases, the short account is marked to the market at the end of the
trading day.

Increases in the price of the shorted stock cause the margin debt to
increase. Decreases in the price of the shorted stock cause the margin
debt to decrease.

Regards,
    Randy Skelding

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225.1SDSVAX::SWEENEYPatrick Sweeney in New YorkFri Jun 19 1992 16:437
    You left out on important thing, a margin call.
    
    When a stock is shorted on margin, you are exposed to a potential margin
    call when the stock increases in price.
    
    You will be asked to increase your margin cash to the minimum or your
    position will be sold out to meet the margin call.
225.2dividends on shorted stockVSSCAD::SIGELFri Jun 19 1992 20:096
When you short a stock, aren't you also responsible for paying the 
dividends on the stock for as long as you've shorted it?  Since you 
have been lent stock that you eventually must pay back, I believe you 
have to supply the income that the stock would provide the lender.

				Andrew
225.3one answer back alreadyPAMSRC::SKELDINGFri Jun 19 1992 20:239
>Scenerio 1:
>   Since stock is supporting the short, I am charged nothing.

I got mail from one of the regulars in the trading notes file, that
indicated that his brokerage firm, Schwab, does not charge interest 
on the short. If all brokerage firms work the
same way, then Scenerio 1 is what I should expect.

225.4dividendsVIZUAL::FINNERTYThe bug stops hereFri Jun 19 1992 20:525
    
    re: .2  aren't you required to pay the dividends?
    
    yes.