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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

170.0. "Rare Coin Dealer" by GRANPA::DFEHLEISEN () Fri Apr 24 1992 17:23

    Is anyone familiar with The London Trading Group?  This is an outfit in
    Miami that specializes in extremely rare coins.  Lately, I've been
    hearing their radio ads as well as receiving mailings from them.  Are
    they ligitimate?  Any input on this organization as well as advise on
    rare coins as an investment vehicle would be appreciated.  Thanks.
                                  --Dave
    
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170.1Be very suspiciousSUBWAY::WALKERMon Apr 27 1992 14:574
    Typically, these deals are not good.  They overprice coins which are
    old and attractive, but not necessarily rare.  You lose when you
    resell.  However, I don't know anything about this firm.  Being in
    Florida, I suspect they prey on retirees.
170.2I'm against collectibles as major investmentsMINAR::BISHOPMon Apr 27 1992 17:5454
    Unless you are a true lover of a collectible like stamps, coins or
    gems, you are unlikely to learn enough to make sensible investments
    in the field.  While some people will make money, remember these 
    points:
    
    o	Collectibles are illiquid compared to stocks so selling
    	can be a problem, and
    
    o	they have _much_ bigger bid-asked spreads so you need
    	a larger gain to make a profit, and
    
    o	very minor differences in physical form can mean huge
    	differences in value, and
    
    o	the big gains tend to come at the very top end of the range
        of values, and
    
    o	the market is smaller, and
    
    o	past booms are not guaranteed to be continued (there's no
    	underlying "engine" like technological improvement), and
    
    o	the value rests ultimately on the desires of a relatively
    	small number of real collectors,  who are using only their
    	disposable income to collect and thus the base demand for
    	all coins is only a few billion dollars for all the billions
    	of coins, etc., and
    
    o	fashions in collecting can change quickly.
    
    If you happen to love Chinese ceramics or early-American furniture
    and you put lots of time and money into finding top-quality pieces
    and building a good collection, you might actually make a pretty 
    good return on your invested money (though it'll be taxed as a hobby:
    no capital losses or business expenses allowed, I believe).
    
    If you love whatever but have either money and no time or time and
    no money, you'll probably have fun but aren't likely to make a
    good return.
    
    If you have neither money or time and just do something like buy
    "certified" US coins at a hundred dollars or so apiece from a dealer
    and hold them in a safe-deposit box, you may make some money or you
    may lose it, but I suspect you'll be lucky if the investment basically
    breaks even after inflation over long periods of time.
    
    If you buy shares in a fund which invests in coins or other
    collectibles, I think you have taken on a large risk (and probably
    a high yearly charge for management) for very little expected return.
    Good luck!
    
    The above is my opinion, not a prediction of the future, etc.
    
    		-John Bishop
170.3Swiss America?SALEM::SCARDIGNOGod is my refugeTue Nov 15 1994 17:243
           Anyone ever heard of or dealt with Swiss America Trading Co.?
           
           Steve