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    There are several such books.  A recent one is 
    _Fire_on_the_Mountain_, and I believe another was
    called _Bring_the_Jubilee_, but I could be wrong.
    
    I remember one such non-history which was formated
    and printed like a real junior-high level history
    text (no dialog, maps, index...).  Clever, but not
    as fun to read as a novel.
    
        		-John Bishop

    Re .1 (John):
    
    I remember _Bring the Jubilee_ vaguely.  It was written by Ward
    Moore.
    
    So-so.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    I enjoyed "Bring the Jubilee", but then again I am intrigued by
    alternate history books.

    	I remember seeing a book named SHILOH which came out about ten
    years ago, which depicted an Earth of the 1980s where the Confederate
    States of America won the American Civil War, and the Union finished
    World War Two with Japan when it developed and used an atomic weapon
    in 1975.  The plot revolved around the CSA attempting to procure a
    nuclear weapon to use against the Union.
                                                  
    	Does anyone have more information on this book?
    
    	Larry
    

    Len Deighton's 'SS-GB' places its hero in a Britain successfully
    invaded by Germany in WWII.

    	Don't forget Philip K. Dick's classic work, THE MAN IN THE HIGH
    CASTLE, where the Axis won World War Two, and the United States was
    split up between Germany (East Coast) and Japan (west coast).
    
    	Larry
    

    	SF Topic 275 also discusses James P. Hogan's THE PROTEUS OPERATION,
    about an alternate Earth in 1974 where the Axis have control of almost
    all the world, except for the United States.  The government - which
    still has John F. Kennedy as its President - has built a time machine
    and sends a team back to the 1930s to try and change the course of 
    history for the Allies.
    
    	Larry
    

    To go back to the original query, about alternate Civil War
    outcomes....
    
    McKinley Kantor (a Civil War popularizer/historian/novelist) wrote
    a short "nonfiction" work (about 150 pages paperback) called
    IF THE SOUTH WON THE CIVIL WAR.
    
    The incident which split the timeline was the death of Grant at
    Shiloh. Faced with no first-rate Union General, the South went on
    to win the war. As I remember, Jeb Stuart's cavalry rode into
    Washington and captured Lincoln.
    
    In the settlement after the war, the District of Columbia was ceded
    to the Confederacy and became the district of Dixie. The Union then
    moved it's capital to Columbus Ohio, which became the new District
    of Columbia.
    
    During the latter decades of the 19th century, Texas split off from
    the Confederacy to again form the Republic of Texas. In the face
    of world industrialization, the Confederacy finally freed the slaves
    (with compensation to the owners) in the 1880s -- under the presidency
    of Robert E. Lee.
    
    Since Kantor wrote in the 1950s, the cold war was much on his mind.
    The book ended with unification talks between the Union, the
    Confederacy, and the Republic of Texas. All three states fearing
    the Soviet Union then based in their Alaskan SSR. (No Seward, no
    US Alaska.)

    re:.4
    
    SHILOH was written by D.C. Poyer and published by Avon Books.
    
    re: subject in general
    
    Alternate Histories are a grand and glorious tradition in science
    fiction. Probably the most common theme is that of the Axis winning
    WWII, with some notable examples having been mentioned already.
    
    Two of my favorite Alternate History novels happen to revolve around
    a similar point: that the Reformation in England never took place:
    PAVANE by Keith Roberts and THE ALTERATION by Kingsley Amis.
    
    --- jerry

    Orson Scott Card's "Tales of Alvin Maker" deal with alternate American
    history. Good Stuff.  It could move a little faster.

    re: .9  Heck of a thing; PAVANE is *my* #1 alternate history
            story.  It was the first Keith Roberts story I'd read,
            and since then I've been looking for more.
                            
    						Don

    re:.11
    
    Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot of Keith Roberts books that
    have been published in the US.
    
    --- jerry

	re -.1

	"Kiteworld" is available here and there, but not much else right
	now.
						Brent

     Still looking for:  INNER WHEEL
                         THE BOAT OF FATE
                         THE CHALK GIANTS
                         MACHINES AND MEN
                         ANIJA

     Recently found: THE GRAIN KINGS  (I liked it!)

     						    Don

    That last should be ANITA.
                           ^
    
    Probably his rarest book. A new edition (with more stories than
    the original) was issued last year or the year before by a British
    small-press publisher, Kerosina.
    
    --- jerry

    re:.15
    
    I made a mistake: it hasn't been issued yet, but is in the works
    (can't recall where I'd heard it though). I was mixing it up with
    another collection of his that *was* issued the other year by
    Kerosina: KAETI AND COMPANY.
    
    --- jerry

    Very good alternate history short stories are contained in
    Benford/Greenberg anthology series What Might Have BeenI & II
    	(Alternate empires & Alternate heroes).
    
    Great stuff by good authors, particularly the first book. American
    Civil War, Persian Empire, WWII etc. There are some thought-provoking
    stories here.

    reply basenote
    
    An anthology entitled "Fantastic Civil War" edited by S.M.Stirling (of
    the Drakka series). A collection of short and medium stories on
    "what-if" scenarios concerning the Civil War. There is even a short
    version of "Bring the Jubilee" included in the anthology.
    
    The best of the stories IMHO is "Slowly by Lorena" by John Ford (who
    wrote the Final Reflection, a star-trek o.s. novel);