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From: rob@lucifer.UUCP ( 237)
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Subject: Re: RED DWARF. (BBC TV)
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Date: 17 Feb 88 09:43:00 GMT
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    Yes, it is comedy of the alternative kind, and it might as well be
set at the North Pole or some other fairly isolated place for all the
difference being in space makes.  In the first episode we are expected
to believe that the survivor has been in a statis field for 3 million
years while the radiation that killed everyone else dies down. 
(Apologies, by the way, to those who have not seen it for this
spoiler.)  As to the comedy, I find the type (alternative) that relies
on abuse at regular intervals for laughs to be very wearing.  All in
all, I don't think that the series could be classified as SF but then
again maybe the next 5 episodes will prove me wrong. 

				Rob.

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From: lindsay@kelpie.newcastle.ac.uk (Lindsay F. Marshall)
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Subject: Re: RED DWARF. (BBC TV)
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    Well, I liked it and I thought that it was Science Fiction. The
first episode WAS a bit a slow, but it showed definite promise. 
 
    L.
  
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Subject: Re: RED DWARF. (BBC TV)
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    I watched RED DWARF and regretted ever having been born with a
reasonable quota of intelligence.  Perhaps the same people that
destroyed DOCTOR WHO had something to do with it. 
 
    Keith Halewood
    (I'm connected to Janet at UK.AC.LIV.CSVAX and I haven't a clue
where that is relative to UUCP, ARPA or BITNET etc..) 

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From: bob@its63b.ed.ac.uk (ERCF08 Bob Gray)
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Subject: Re: RED DWARF (BBC TV)
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    I suppose I should say something, as I posted the original notice.
 
    After the first episode I couldn't make up my mind whether I liked
or hated this series.  After the second episode last night, I still
can't decide. 
 
    I wouldn't really class it as science fiction, it changes the
rules too much as the story goes on.  E.g., in last night's episode the
red dwarf crosses the light barrier in a large flash of light.  Minutes
later the characters are discussing Einstein and relativity. 
 
    This series can only do one of two things.  It will either sink
without trace, or it will become as big a cult programme as
"Hitchikers guide". 
 
    Anyway, I'll be tuning in again to find out what happens, which is
what it is all about, after all. 

	Bob.

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From: grant@sage.cs.reading.ac.uk (Stephen Grant)
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Subject: RED DWARF - third episode.
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    Well the third episode was out last night and yes the series is
getting better.  Still a shame about the laughter though.  The cat
character reminds me of someone I know - similar cool, hip attitude. 
Saw on Open Air last week that a new series is being made in May.  The
comments I made were perhaps a little harsh, but I was merely
conveying the thoughts of many of my friends.  I will still keep
watching it, if only to answer some questions like 1) Are there any
more cat-people on board and 2) Who will become the mother of Lister's
children? 
 
    All this and much more to be revealed so tune in next week folks.
 
    Yours (with "SMEG" on his face)
 
    Steve Grant.
 
    P.S. - Thanks for the email from those of you who wanted to converse.

RED DWARF.......

		........ABYSMAL

				....."Alternative" comedy has gone down tubes

All those bloody stupid juxtaposition of "naughty" words to get an embarrassed
laugh from the audience is old hat (just like Rik Mayall reverting to cheap
laughs from saying fart or pooh-pooh or some such crap (sic.)).

Anyway in case you hadn't guessed I don't like it at all.

			Paul
			----

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From: bob@its63b.ed.ac.uk (ERCF08 Bob Gray)
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Subject: RED DWARF. Programme list
Keywords: RED DWARF, BBC, alternative comedy
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Date: 23 Mar 88 13:00:44 GMT
Reply-To: bob@its63b.ed.ac.uk (ERCF08 Bob Gray)
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    Here, as promised is the programme list for the first series of
RED DWARF. 
 
    This posting is in two parts.  First, my comments on the series,
and then the actual programme list.  Neither part contains any more
spoilers than you would find in a TV guide. 
 
    First, although this series is billed as Science Fiction, and
described as "A comedy series set in space" it has NO discernible
science content.  The scientific advisor on this programme, if there
was one, must have learnt science from one of those pulp 1950s comic books. 
 
    The Comedy part consists mostly of two people shouting abuse at
each other. This is usualy referred to as "alternative comedy". To
further adhere to the priciples of this type of "humor" one of the
figures must be an authority figure, and one must be anything but.
Thus the two main characters, Rimmer and Lister. Canned laughter is
used to tell you which lines are meant to be funny and which aren't. 
 
    Sets and special effects are of the type only produced by the BBC
for SF programmes. In any other form of entertainment some effort is
made towards making the sets at least partly believable. In SF the aim
seems to be to make the sets look as chep and plastic as possible. 
 
    The series started high in the ratings of BBC2 and has been slowly
climbing to a viewing figure of just under 5 million.  This is almost
the same size of audience as the recent re-run of Battlestar Galactica
on the same channel got. The series is probably attracting the same audience. 
 
    However, join them, disengage your brain and fill your hand with a
few cans of beer and the series is watchable, and even entertaining
(dare I say funny?) in places.  The series is probably going to reach
cult status is a few years time. 
 
    On the 1 to 5 star rating I would have to give it **. (Mostly
because of Cat and the title song :->). 

	Bob
 
    [P.S. I have previously posted a programme list for another BBC SF
series, STAR COPS. I understand that it has been shown at SF cons
outside the UK. I would be interested in hearing about the reactions
to this series.] 
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    Main characters:

	Cris Barrie		as Arnold Rimmer BSc SSc
	Craig Charles		as Dave Lister
	Danny John-Jules	as Cat
	Norman Lovett		as Holly
 
    All the episodes were written by Bob Grant and Doug Naylor.
 
1. "The End" -

    The mining ship RED DWARF is an old tramp steamer mining around
the moons of Saturn.  It's five miles long and three miles wide, with
a crew of 169.  Within 24 hours, 168 of them will be dead. 
 
2. "Future Echoes" - 

    Having accelerated constantly for three million years, RED DWARF
breaks the light barrier.  Rimmer and lister overtake themselves in
time and witness images from the future. 
 
3. "Balance of Power" -

    Lister wants to go on a date with dead console officer Christine
Kochanski, and Rimmer's woken up with somebody else's arm. 
 
4. "Waiting for God" -

    Lister discovers some startling facts when he learns to read cat
writing. 
 
5. "Confidence and Paranoia" -

    Lister contracts a mutated form of pneumonia, and has
hallucinations which become solid. 
 
6. "Me^2" - 

    Rimmer leaves the quarters he shares with lister, and moves in
with the person he most admires. 

    Personally,I thoroughly enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to the
    next series (soon,I believe).Sorry about that !
    
    Ian D.

    Well the second series finished on Tuesday Night and I must admit:
    
    	I T  W A S  G R E A T ! ! ! 
    
    Not as good as the first in the series but at least there is the
    comfort that there has to be third.
    
    			Bob I.
              
    

    
    	I'm told that the third series is scheduled for this Spring. I'm
    looking forward to it!
    
    		Ian G.

Saw a strange show the other day, but I didn't catch the title, and I
was wondering if anyone out there knew what it was?

It appeared to have three characters on a space-ship (marooned?).  One
was human, one was a hologram (complete with an "H" on his forehead),
and one who's face appeared on a screen, but he didn't seem to have
a body.

It was a comedy (not very good, by my reckoning, but...).  It must have
been a BBC production, what with the British accents and terrible special
effects...

Any clues?  (It came on in Albany on Sunday afternoon after Dr. Who...
but I doubt anyone who reads this watches much Albany TV so that probably
doesn't help much.)

D!

RED DWARF

Excellent stuff... see note 70 in   Ritz::Couch_Potatoe_UK  (Kp7)
for (a bit) more detail

From: cfogg@blake.acs.washington.edu (Chad Fogg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.sf-lovers
Subject: "Red Dwarf" not-so economy episode guide
Date: 22 Aug 89 15:02:18 GMT
Organization: Univ of Washington, Seattle
 
    A few improvements such as credits have been made.  Plus the
mystery title to episode 12 has been solved by Matt Madison@RPI. 
  
                                   RED DWARF
 
    "This is an S.O.S. distress call from the mining ship _Red_Dwarf_.
The crew are dead, killed by a radiation leak.  The only survivours
are: Dave Lister--who was in suspended animation during the disaster,
and his pregnant cat--who was safely sealed in the hold. 

    "Revived three-million years later, Lister's only companions are: a
life form who evolved from his cat, and Arnold Rimmer--a hologram
simulation of one of the dead crew. 

    "I am Holly, the ship's computer with an I.Q. of 6,000--the same
I.Q. as 6,000 P.E. Teachers." 
 
                                     Cast
             Arnold J. Rimmer........................Chris Barrie
             Dave Lister........................... Craig Charles
             Cat.................................Danny John-Jules
             Holly................................. Norman Lovett
  
---Series 1, 1987---
 
1.  THE END
Guest Cast: Robert Brathurst (Tod Hunter), Paul Bradley (Chen), David
Gillespie (Selby), Mac McDonald (Capt. Hollister), Robert McCulley (McIntrye),
Mark Williams (Peterson), C.P. Grogan (Kochanski)
 
Debut: A British series following the strange adventures of Dave Lister, the
lone survivor of a disaster in outer space that wipes out his ship's crew.
  
2.  FUTURE ECHOS
Guest Cast: John Lenahan (Toaster), Tony Hanks (Dispensing Machine)
 
When the spaceship breaks the light barrier, Rimmer and Lister are unable to
see what the future holds.
 
3.  BALANCE OF POWER
Guest Cast: Rupert Bates (Trout a la Crema & Chef), Paul Bradley, David
Gillespie, Mark Williams, C.P. Grogan
Credits: Motor City Diva (Disco Music), Melvyn Cross (Camera Supervisor)
 
Lister considers a date with a female hologram.  But that would mean turning
Rimmer off.
 
4.  WAITING FOR GOD
Guest Cast: Noel Coleman (Cat Priest), John Lenahan (Toaster).
Credits: Duncan Wheeler (Prop Buyer), Mill Jackson (Camera Supervisor)
 
Lister learns about history of Catkind.
 
5.  CONFIDENCE & PARANOIA
Guest Cast: Lee Cornes (Paranoia), Craig Ferguson (Confidence).
Credits: John Spicer (Technical Co-ordinator)
 
Lister becomes ill and experiences lifelike hallucinations.
 
6.  ME^2
Guest Cast: Mac McDonald (Captain)
Credits: Lesley Staves (Costume Assistant), Alan Machin & Wendy Rath (Sound)
 
Rimmer thinks he's created the perfect roommate when he duplicates himself.
 
--Series 2, 1988--

7.  KRYTEN
Guest Cast: David Ross (Krtyen), Johanna Hargreaves (The Esperanto Woman),
Tony Slattery (Android Actor).
 
Rimmer studies a new language; Holly (Norman Lovett) fiddles with music.
 
8.  BETTER THAN LIFE
Guest Cast: John Abinert (Rimmer's Dad), Debbie Ash (Marilyn Monroe), Jeremy
Austin (Rathbone), Nigel Carrivick (The Captain), Tony Hawkins (McGruder),
Tina Jenkins (Newsreader), Ron Pember (The Outland Revenue Taxman), Gordon
Salking (Gordon)
Credits: David Parker & Gordon White (OB Lighting), Rocket (OB Cameraman)
 
Rimmer receives a letter from his mother.
 
9.  THANKS FOR THE MEMORY
Guest Cast: Sabra Williams (Lisa Yates)
Credits: John Battye (Vision Supervisor)
 
Lister awakes with a broken leg an no memory of the last four days.
 
10.  STASIS LEAK
Guest Cast: Morwenna Banks (Lift Hostess), Sophie Doherty (Kochanski's Room
Mate), C.P. Grogan (Kochanski), Richard Hainsworth (The Medical Orderly), Tony
Hawks (The Suitcase), Mac McDonald (Captain Hollister), Mark Williams
(Peterson).
Credits: John Battye (Vision Controller), Kate Preston (Production Secretary)
 
A memento from the past causes Lister to question his marital status.
 
11.  QUEEG
Guest Cast: Charles Augins (Queeg).
Credits: John Battye (Vision Supervisor), Lighting Director (Trish King)
 
Holly is to be replaced by another, more efficient ship computer.
 
12.  PARALLEL UNIVERSE
Guest Cast: Suzanne Bertish (Ms. Rimmer), Angela Bruce (Ms. Lister), Matthew
Devitt (The Dog), Hattie Hayridge (Ship's computer Hilly)
Credits: Charles Augins (Choreography)
 
Rimmer ponders past conquests; and Holly learns a new trick.  Opening sequence
features a Dream Music Video, "Tongue Tied."
 
    End credit song lyrics:
 
It's cold outside, there's no kind of atmosphere. I'm all alone, more or less.
Let me fly far away from here.. fun, fun, fun,  in the sun, sun, sun.
 
I want to live shipwrecked and comatosed,  drinking fresh mango juice.
Goldfish jobes nibbling at my toes.  Fun, fun, fun  in the sun, sun, sun.
 
Fun, fun, fun  ....in the sun, sun, sun
  
                                    Credits

             Written by.................................Bob Grant
                                                    & Doug Naylor
             Music.................................Howard Goodall
             Developed for Television by Paul Jackson Productions
             Graphic Designer......................... Mark Allen
             Visual Effects Designer .................Peter Wragg
             Prop Buyer ..............................Mike Fallon
             Production Team (yr.2)................Helen Campbell
                                                   & Kate Preston
             Assistant Floor Manager ..............Dona Distefano
             Production Assistant .........Alison Thornber (yr.1)
                                                  Ann Zahl (yr.2)
             Unit Manager.................... Mario Dubois (yr.1)
                                              Kelvin Jones (yr.2)
             Production Manager ..........George R. Clarke (yr.1)
                                                Mike Agnew (yr.2)
             Costume Designer ........................Jacki Pinks
             Make-up Designer ..............Suzanne Jansen (yr.1)
                              ................Bethan Jones (yr.2)
             Vision Mixer ............................Jill Dornan
             Camera Supervisor ...............Mike Jackson (yr.1)
                                              Melvyn Cross (yr.2)
             Vision Supervisor  ...........Len Greenhalgh (yr. 2)
             Technical Co-ordinator .............Ron Clare (yr.1)
                                             Andrew Cowley (yr.2)
             Videotape Editor ..........................Ed Wooden
             Lighting Director .....................John Pomphrey
             Sound Supervisor ...................Tony Worthington
             Designer...............................Paul Montague
             Executive Producer .....................Paul Jackson
             Producer & Director ..........................Ed Bye
-- 
Internet & Bitnet :  cfogg@blake.acs.washington.edu   
UUCP path         :  ...uw-beaver!blake.acs.washington.edu!cfogg

    8.  BETTER THAN LIFE
Guest Cast: John Abinert (Rimmer's Dad), Debbie Ash (Marilyn Monroe), Jeremy
Austin (Rathbone), Nigel Carrivick (The Captain), Tony Hawkins (McGruder),
Tina Jenkins (Newsreader), Ron Pember (The Outland Revenue Taxman), Gordon
Salking (Gordon)
Credits: David Parker & Gordon White (OB Lighting), Rocket (OB Cameraman)
 
Rimmer receives a letter from his mother.

    
    This episode was rerun last night on UK TV channel BBC2.  I have
    the feeling that I may have hit upon a rerun of the series, so Lucky
    UK viewers keep it in the ratings huh!
    
    
    Bob

    OK , it's a bit late , but Red Dwarf III started this week in the
    UK ( BBC 2 , Tuesday 9pm(ish) )
    
    The story is basically that a time-hole is discovered , and when
    the crew enter it , they find that time is running backwards . Hence
    they have to be *pretty* careful about what order they do certain
    things in .
    
    No spoiler , as I don't know how long it will take for this series
    to reach the US .
    
    The writing is good , the sets have marginally improved , and there
    are even ( a few ) special effects .
    
    PETe

    You've got to tell me: when I saw the last episode of r.d. Lister
    was pregnant. What's happening now?
    
    steve p
    

    Well , there was a *very* quick Star Wars type synopsis of what
    happened . All I caught was that Lister had twin sons , who aged
    by eighteen years in three days . Crighton was repaired to near
    normality , and appeared in the first episode ( as well as last
    night's - no more spoilers ) .
    
    PETE

    No Spoiler but he was right about dogs food....
    
    B^)
    
    Bob

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Subject: RED DWARF III: The introduction
Date: 21 Nov 89 17:35:50 GMT
Reply-To: bob@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bob Gray)
Organization: Edinburgh Concurrent Supercomputer Project
 
    I have had a number of requests for this, so here is the text of
the high-speed message seen at the start of the first episode of RED
DWARF III. 
 
    Thanks to Mike Bayliss <mike@uk.co.siesoft> who sent me a copy of
the text which he had already typed in, and saved me the trouble. 
 
    Think of this as a sort of anti-spoiler. The text really should be
read before seeing the first episode to know what has happened and why
everything has changed, but you can't be meant to read it given the
speed it scrolls up the screen. 
 
    OK, to set the scene, imagine a starfield. Blue/white lettering
scrolls into the bottom of the picture and up and away from the
screen, exactly as at the start of "Star Wars". 
  
		  RED DWARF III
		    THE SAGA
		    CONTNUUMS
 
	       THE STORY SO FAR...
 
	   Three million years in the
	  future, Dave Lister, the last
	   human being alive discovers
	  he is pregnant after a liason
       with his female self in a parallel
	     universe. His pregnancy      [ Text speeds up ]
	  concludes with the successful
	 delivery of twin boys, Jim and
	  Bexley. However, because the
	 twins were conceived in another
	universe, with different physical
	  laws, they suffer from highly
	  accelerated growth rates, and
	   are both eighteen years old
	   within three days of being
	  born. In order to save their
	  lives, Lister returns them to
	  the universe of their origin,
	  where they are reunited with
	   their father (a woman), and
	 are able to lead comparatively
	  normal lives. Well as normal
	  as you can be if you've been
	 born in a parallel universe and
	    your father's a woman and
	     your mother's a man and
	   you're eighteen years three
	 days after your birth. Shortly
	     afterwards, Kryten, the
	 service mechanoid who had left
	  the ship after being rescued
	  from his own crashed vessel,
	 the Nova 5, is found in pieces
	   after his space bike crash
	 lands onto an asteroid. Lister
	rebuilds the 'noid, but is unable
	     to recapture his former
		  personality.
	      Meanwhile, Holly, the
	 increasingly erratic Red Dwarf
	    computer, performs a head
	     sex change operation on
	 himself. He bases his new face
	   on Hilly, a female computer  [ Text slows down again ]
	   with whom he'd once fallen
		 madly in love.
 
	   And now the saga continuums
 
		AND NOW THE SAGA
		  CONTINUUMS...
 
		  RED DWARF III
 
	       THE SAME GENERATION
		   - NEARLY -
  
    The new title sequence then begins.

	Bob.

    	Is there only me watching Red Dwarf IV ? Its on Thursday evenings
    	at 9pm on BBC 2 and is the funniest program on the TV at the
   	moment. Absolutely brilliant.

    							Andy

    Andy, You Are Not Alone!!!!!
    
    I love this prog.....
    
    Last weeks episode was definately one of the better ones, but do
    we really want to chat about this before our American colleagues
    get a chance to see it.....
    
    I mean what series are they showing in the states at the moment?
    
    
    Bob (Cat rules OK!)

    *sigh*...and I only got a taste of Red Dwarf I!  Great show (risque and
    very funny, but dump the laugh track) but it only got shown here for a
    little bit (and because of the war, they didn't show the last episode).
    
    So, go ahead, Brits...chat away!  (I may listen in a bit, if you don't
    mind.  ;^) )
    
    K.C. - from Nashua, NH, USA.

    They put canned laughter on the versions seen in the states!
    
    They didn't do that here did they... atleast I done seem to be
    conscious of canned laughter on the UK series...
    
    That really would ruin it!
    
    Bob (in deep sympathy)

    replies .3 and .5 make reference to "canned laughter", and the authors
    are Brits.  I think we can safely conclude that the laugh track was a
    feature of the original production.
    
    - M
    

    Last Thursday - in another universe it is possible that another Rimmer
    exists...
    
    I was is stiches - I couldn't stop - I fell off the couch with laughter
    - what more can I say to mark my continued devotion to this series. 
    
    I just wish I'd had a video when the first and second series were on so
    that I could have videoed those as well......
    
    Tahi

    Yeah... My favorite line last week waas something like...
    
    Spoiler
    
    female "How about lunch at my place ?"
    rimmer "Sorry.  I'm haveing lunch with the engineers."
    female "I'll be wearing maple syrup."
    rimmer "14:30 OK!"
    
    Bob (who can still picture this!"

    	A question was asked about the "canned laughter" in Red Dwarf. 
    	According to the BBC the laughter is genuine ! They screen the
    	program to an audience and tape them laughing. 

    							Andy

    	P.S. It's on tonight - BBC2 9pm UK.

    Alas it would seem that RED Dwarf has again come to the end of a run!
    
    I think I saw 4 episodes.... was there supposed to be 6?

   Ch. 11 was showing the whole first three seasons.  They missed
Queeb (which I had caught when the U. Maine station was playing Red
Dwarf a few months ago, luckily - probably my favorite episode!) and
were having a "Red Dwarf marathon" when this silly war thing (;-) got
in the way and they cancelled after only two or three episodes (they were
going to show the rest of season 3 and hopefully Queeb... too bad, I had
done a good job of taping almost all of them.  They're supposed to finish
it up sometime in June, but no season 4 yet.)

   Brits, do you like the new set?  Maybe it's just the old resistance to
changing a perfectly good thing, but the new set design (season 3 and later)
makes it look like they live in some sort of flashy penthouse rather than
a run-down mining ship.

   And how did Holly become Hilly?  (But they're still calling it Holly?
I'm soooo confused.  And where are Lister's kids, or has not enough time
passed for the pregnancy to show?)

						-mjg

    For those enlightened to alternate comedy in the form of RED DWARF,
    there are now two red dwarf books on sale in the UK. The first book is
    entitled Red Dwarf and is in paperback (never published in hard back) 
    - I think it's a picture of space with a signpost saying "Eternity 
    welcomes careful drivers (but then again i could be my imagination).
    This covers the story upto and including the second series and the game 
    Better than Life... The book is however, different in small and almost 
    detectable ways which merely add to the general confusion and enjoyment 
    of the the series.
    
    The second book is currently in hardback and called "Better than life".
    This book covers the third and fourth series and is more distinct in
    it's differences from the TV series.
    It has a picture of someone (Lister I presume) lying on a lilo, with
    bright yellow shorts and drinking ...Fresh mango juice perhaps.... whilst 
    floating in space.
    
    Fans of Hitch Hikers will appreciate the differences between radio, TV
    and books - the only thing that red dwarf doesn't have is a RADIO
    series...
    
    Here's to another series soon.............
    
    Tahi

    >It has a picture of someone (Lister I presume) lying on a lilo, with
    >bright yellow shorts and drinking ...Fresh mango juice perhaps.... whilst 
    >floating in space.
    
    
       what's a lilo?
    
    					-mjg
    
    (I had my own R.D. marathon this weekend, watched my tapes of episodes
    1-4 and 9-12 the other night...)

    LILO: pronounce LIE-LOW....
    A rubber air mattress that some people (- word used with reservations)
    like to put in water and lay apon.... Usually found near water with
    said persons drinking silly cocktails and being obnoxious!
    
    BOb
    

    just what one would expect of Lister although replace coctail with
    Lager and its a perfect Match....
    
    The paperback of better than life is now out and the writing duo will
    be signing copies in Birmingham this wedensday evening at Waterstones
    Bookshop. (UK only)
    
    I have a feeling that we may be graced with a fifth series next year
    which is great! I hope that they can come up with more and more
    original stuff (so far they haven't failed)
    
    I also wonder if they will ever finish the saga in the manner implied
    in the second seris where Lister returns to earth and marries Cuchansky
    (sp?) the possibilities are endless......
    
    Tahi

    Re: .32:
    
       Whatever happened to Lister's pregnancy?  In the episodes of season
    3 that I've seen, no mention of it is made.
    
    					-mjg

    RE: 33
    
    Check out .17 for the conclusion of Lister's pregnancy and the fate of
    his sprogs!!!!
    
    

    Hi ho, fans in the southern NH area!
    
    There will be a Red Dwarf marathon next Saturday!  I believe it is on
    Channel 11, and runs from (at least) 6pm to 11pm (I only saw the chart,
    and the chart only goes from those times).
    
    K.C.

    Re: .34:
    
       Thanks, I hadn't read that yet.  Yuch!  The old Hollie was much
    cooler and Kryton's a bore.  Oh well, I guess it's progress...
    
    					-mjg
    

re .35

I caught my first episode of "Red Drawf" on the Sat evening marathon.  It could
have potential; some of the things were kind of silly, but I laughed quite a bit
at some of the scenes.  Is there a regular time and night for this show?
BTW, the hologram guy; doesn't he have any substance at all?  It seems that he's
solid, he doesn't walk *through* things like Al the hologram on "Quantum Leap" 
does.

Mike_L

    Re: .37 re: hologram
    
    Lower budget?  ;^)
    
    K.C.

    Re: .37:
    
       Right, the show's very silly.  If you're looking for hard-core
    serious science fiction, turn Red Dwarf off, it's not what you want. 
    One of my roommates just plain doesn't get most of the jokes so we
    eventually gave up on trying to explain it to him and he thinks it's
    just stupid when I break out the tapes and watch several hours of it.
    
       But if you liked the Douglas Adams stories and thought the
    occasional comic relief in Dr. Who was good, or even the old Quark
    series was worth watching, Red Dwarf's your show!
    
       For me, it's similar for space SF to what Bill and Ted's Excellent
    Adventure was to time-travel SF.
    
    					-mjg
    

    Don't insult Red Dwarf by comparing them to Bill & Ted!  ;^)
    
    To me, Red Dwarf defines the difference between American and British
    TV...There are a lot of things done and said on RD that would NOT pass
    on an American-produced show.  (Sometimes I wonder how they even get
    away with SHOWING RD here, but I'm not complaining!!)
    
    K.C.

    	RED DWARF is much like DARK STAR, an American film made in 1975
    (See SF Topic 504).  Both deal with a small crew stuck aboard a 
    starship, have low budgets, and are deceptively simple-looking and
    silly in plot on the surface.  Look just a bit deeper, though, and
    you will find in-depth commentaries on all sorts of social issues.
    This is also what the original STAR TREK did in the late 1960s.
    
        Two episodes of RD I recently saw dug into religion, surely a
    thorny issues on both sides of the Atlantic.  One dealt with Kryton
    being programmed to believe that there was an afterlife for all
    machines, so that they wouldn't realize how trivial and eventually
    pointless machine lives usually are and end up destroying themselves.
    "But where would all the calculators go?" was a favorite question
    of Kryton's when confronted with the concept of no afterlife.
    
        The other episode involved the religion believed by Cat.  Lister
    had Holly translate the Cat's Holy Book and found out what occured
    in the three million years since he placed his black cat, Frankenstein,
    safely in the ship's hold.  Essentially Lister's name and identity
    were corrupted over time (he became Cloister the God) and holy wars
    were fought over such things as what color hats - red or blue - were
    to be worn by the faithful ("The ironic part is", paraphrasing Lister,
    that my hat was green.").
    
    	On an alternate tack in the same episode, Rimmer firmly believed
    (without a shred of proof) in a race of aliens who would come and save 
    him.  Rimmer was temporarily thrilled when an artifact was found 
    drifting in space and brought aboard for examination - until he found 
    out it was not from his mystical space beings but a garbage pod from 
    the ship RED DWARF.
    
        Overall I find RD to be a very entertaining and often original
    series.  If only American television would try such things more often.

        Some of my favorite dialogue:  Lister and Cat are watching THE
    FLINTSTONES on TV.  Both are commenting on how sexy and attractive
    Wilma is, even over Betty.  They eventually declare what an insane
    conversation they're having, because Wilma would never leave Fred!

        Another:  The toaster programmed with AI which declares "I toast, 
    therefore I am."
    
    	Larry
    

Re: .42:

   I wasn't directly comparing Red Dwarf to B&T, just drawing an analogy
between how Bill & Ted are an abuseful look at time travel, and Red Dwarf
is an abuseful look at space science fiction.

   Sort of like how you can't compare apples and oranges, but it makes sense
to say that an apple is to an apple tree as an orange is to an orange tree.
(the old High School SATs and College GREs are haunting me now... I think I
took at least one too many standardized tests... ;-)

   A better comparison is with Douglas Adams' work, for the reasons
discussed in .43.

   But I did like Bill and Ted, especially when they broke all the time-
travel rules and decided to fix their predicament later on with the keys,
tape recorder, trash can, etc...

					-mjg

    I finally saw this for the first time.  Judging from the replies I've
    read in here I probably didn't see a good episode.  I wasn't impressed
    with the episode I saw.  I felt like I was watching Monty Python in
    space.  Most of the replies in this topic seem to make it better than
    what i've ssen so far.  I'll give it another chance this Saturday. 
    They are showing it here in New York on channel 21, a PBS staion out of
    Long Island.

    Monty Python in space?  That's probably why we liked it!
    
    K.C.

    Found this on usenet, a complete episode guide seasons 1 thru 4.
    24 Episodes in total.
    
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Red Dwarf episode guide
Message-ID: <1991Nov3.133721.13385@garfield.cs.mun.ca>
Date: 3 Nov 91 13:37:21 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Memorial University of Newfoundland 
 
	I think that I've received enough requests to warrent my posting the
following...
 
    Here's what one kind soul (James Harold) sent me:
 
 
 
Just came across the Red Dwarf discussion over here on sf-lovers.  There was 
guide to the series posted on rec.arts.tv.uk a couple of weeks ago.
Me thinks that maybe it should be sent out here as well?  
 
 
In any case, here it is:
 
(apologies to the person who posted this on rec.arts.tv.uk, but I couldn't 
find my file with the header on it)
 
*** Red Dwarf episode guide ***
 
Debut: A British series following the strange adventures of Dave Lister,
the lone survivor of a disaster in outer space that wipes out his ship's
crew.
 
%-----------------------------------------------------------------
 
This is an S.O.S. distress call from the mining ship Red Dwarf.  The
crew are dead,  killed by a radiation leak.  The only survivours are:
Dave Lister, who was in suspended animation during the disaster, and his
pregnant cat, who was safely sealed in the hold. Revived three-million
years later, Lister's only companions are: a life form who evolved from
his cat, and Arnold Rimmer, a hologram simulation of one of the dead
crew.
  -- Holly (opening speech)
 
%------------------------------------------------------------------
 
* End credit song lyrics *
 
It's cold outside, there's no kind of atmosphere,
I'm all alone, more or less.
Let me fly far away from here,
fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun, sun.
 
I want to live shipwrecked and comatosed,
drinking fresh mango juice.
Goldfish [shoals/jobes] nibbling at my toes,
fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun, sun,
fun, fun, fun in the sun, sun, sun.
 
%-----------------------------------------------------------------
 
** Red Dwarf I **
 
first run 1987
 
Arnold J. Rimmer......................Chris Barrie
Dave Lister...........................Craig Charles
Cat...................................Danny John-Jules
Holly.................................Norman Lovett
Written by............................Bob Grant
                                      Doug Naylor
Music.................................Howard Goodall
Developed for Television by...........Paul Jackson Productions
Graphic Designer......................Mark Allen
Visual Effects Designer...............Peter Wragg
Prop Buyer............................Mike Fallon
Assistant Floor Manager...............Dona Distefano
Production Assistant..................Alison Thornber
Unit Manager..........................Mario Dubois
Production Manager....................George R. Clarke
Costume Designer......................Jacki Pinks
Make-up Designer......................Suzanne Jansen
Vision Mixer..........................Jill Dornan
Camera Supervisor.....................Mike Jackson
Technical Co-ordinator................Ron Clare
Videotape Editor......................Ed Wooden
Lighting Director.....................John Pomphrey
Sound Supervisor......................Tony Worthington
Designer..............................Paul Montague
Executive Producer ...................Paul Jackson
Producer & Director...................Ed Bye
 
1. The End
 
Guest Cast: Robert Brathurst (Tod Hunter), Paul Bradley (Chen), David
Gillespie (Selby), Mac McDonald (Capt. Hollister), Robert McCulley
(McIntrye), Mark Williams (Peterson), C.P. Grogan (Kochanski)
 
The Red Dwarf is mining around the moons of Saturn. Five miles long and
three miles wide, the ship has a crew of 169. Within 24 hours, 168 of
them will be dead.
 
2. Future Echos
 
Guest Cast: John Lenahan (Toaster), Tony Hanks (Dispensing Machine)
 
Having accelerated constantly for three million years, Red Dwarf breaks
the light barrier. Rimmer and Lister witness images from the future and
Rimmer sees Lister die.
 
3. Balance Of Power
 
Guest Cast: Rupert Bates (Trout a la Crema & Chef), Paul Bradley, David
Gillespie, Mark Williams, C.P. Grogan Credits: Motor City Diva (Disco
Music), Melvyn Cross (Camera Supervisor)
 
Lister wants to go on a date with dead console officer, Christine
Kochanski, but that would mean turning Rimmer off, and Rimmer wakes up
with someone else's arm.
 
4. Waiting For God
 
Guest Cast: Noel Coleman (Cat Priest), John Lenahan (Toaster). Credits:
Duncan Wheeler (Prop Buyer), Mill Jackson (Camera Supervisor)
 
Lister discovers some startling facts about the history of Catkind when
he learns to read Cat writing.
 
5. Confidence and Paranoia
 
Guest Cast: Lee Cornes (Paranoia), Craig Ferguson (Confidence). Credits:
John Spicer (Technical Co-ordinator)
 
Lister contracts a mutated form of pneumonia, and has hallucinations
which become real.
 
6. Me^2
 
Guest Cast: Mac McDonald (Captain) Credits: Lesley Staves (Costume
Assistant), Alan Machin & Wendy Rath (Sound)
 
Now that Rimmer has discovered how to duplicate himself, he decides to
leave the quarters he shares with Lister and move in with himself.
 
%--------------------------------------------------------------------
 
** Red Dwarf II **
 
first run 1988
 
Arnold J. Rimmer......................Chris Barrie
Dave Lister...........................Craig Charles
Cat...................................Danny John-Jules
Holly.................................Norman Lovett
Kryten................................Robert Llewellyn
Written by............................Bob Grant
                                      Doug Naylor
Music.................................Howard Goodall
Developed for Television by...........Paul Jackson Productions
Graphic Designer......................Mark Allen
Visual Effects Designer...............Peter Wragg
Prop Buyer............................Mike Fallon
Production Team.......................Helen Campbell
                                      Kate Preston
Assistant Floor Manager...............Dona Distefano
Production Assistant..................Ann Zahl
Unit Manager..........................Kelvin Jones
Production Manager....................Mike Agnew
Costume Designer......................Jacki Pinks
Make-up Designer......................Bethan Jones
Vision Mixer..........................Jill Dornan
Camera Supervisor.....................Melvyn Cross
Vision Supervisor.....................Len Greenhalgh
Technical Co-ordinator................Andrew Cowley
Videotape Editor......................Ed Wooden
Lighting Director.....................John Pomphrey
Sound Supervisor......................Tony Worthington
Designer..............................Paul Montague
Executive Producer ...................Paul Jackson
Producer & Director...................Ed Bye
 
 
7. Kryten
 
Guest Cast: David Ross (Krtyen), Johanna Hargreaves (The Esperanto
Woman), Tony Slattery (Android Actor).
 
The Red Dwarf picks up a distress call from another space ship which
says three female officers have been injured. To their dismay, the crew
discovers that the women have been dead for centuries. Rimmer studies a
new language, Holly fiddles with music.
 
8. Better Than Life
 
Guest Cast: John Abinert (Rimmer's Dad), Debbie Ash (Marilyn Monroe),
Jeremy Austin (Rathbone), Nigel Carrivick (The Captain), Tony Hawkins
(McGruder), Tina Jenkins (Newsreader), Ron Pember (The Outland Revenue
Taxman), Gordon Salking (Gordon) Credits: David Parker & Gordon White
(OB Lighting), Rocket (OB Cameraman)
 
Rimmer receives a letter from his mother, but cannot read her
handwriting. Is his father "dad" or "dead"? Did he pass away peacefully
in his "sleep" or in a "jeep"?
 
9. Thanks for the Memory
 
Guest Cast: Sabra Williams (Lisa Yates) Credits: John Battye (Vision
Supervisor)
 
The crew on board the Red Dwarf wakes up one morning to discover that
someone has erased their memories of the last four days. Lister finds
that his leg is broken and is in a cast, and his jigsaw puzzle has been
completed. Rimmer blames the problem on aliens.
 
10. Stasis Leak
 
Guest Cast: Morwenna Banks (Lift Hostess), Sophie Doherty (Kochanski's
Room Mate), C.P. Grogan (Kochanski), Richard Hainsworth (The Medical
Orderly), Tony Hawks (The Suitcase), Mac McDonald (Captain Hollister),
Mark Williams (Peterson). Credits: John Battye (Vision Controller), Kate
Preston (Production Secretary)
 
A leak from the suspended animation chamber has created a doorway to the
past. Lister finds a picture of his wedding, but he's still single - or
is he?
 
11. Queeg
 
Guest Cast: Charles Augins (Queeg). Credits: John Battye (Vision
Supervisor), Lighting Director (Trish King)
 
There's electronic mutiny on board the Red Dwarf as Queeg 500, the
back-up computer, tries to take the control of the ship away from Holly.
 
12. Parallel Universe
 
Guest Cast: Suzanne Bertish (Ms. Rimmer), Angela Bruce (Ms. Lister),
Matthew Devitt (The Dog), Hattie Hayridge (Ship's computer Hilly)
Credits: Charles Augins (Choreography)
 
Opening sequence features a Dream Music Video, "Tongue Tied".
 
The crew is sitting around discussing dreams and good pick-up lines,
when Holly tells them about the Holly Hop Drive, an astonishing device
which can transfer an object anywhere.
 
%--------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
** RED DWARF III **
 
The crew of the Red Dwarf return for a brand new series. Twelve months
have passed. Lister has given birth to twin boys but was forced to
return them to their father.  Kryten returns after...oh, just watch it.
 
Three million years in the future, Dave Lister, the last human being
alive, discovers he is pregnant after a liason with his female self in a
parallel universe. His pregnancy concludes with the successful delivery
of twin boys, Jim and Baxley. However, because the boys were conceived
in another universe, with different physical laws, they suffer from
highly accelorated growth rates and are both eighteen years old within
three days of being born. In order to save their lives, Lister returns
them to the universe of their origin, where they are reunited with their
father (a woman), and are able to lead comparatively normal lives. Well,
as normal as you can be if you've been born in a parallel universe and
your father's a woman and your mother's a man and you're eighteen years
old three days after your birth. Shortly afterwards, Kryten, the service
mechanoid, who had left the ship after being rescued from his own
crashed vessel, the Nova 5, is found in pieces after his space bike
crashed into an astroid. Lister rebuilds the 'roid, but is unable to
recapture his former personality. Meanwhile, Holly, the increasingly
erratic Red Dwarf computer, performs a head sex change operation on
himself. He bases his new face on Hilly, a female computer with whom
he'd once fallen madly in love.
....and now the saga continuums
    
Red Dwarf III: The Same Generation...nearly
  -- Opening crawl from _Backwards_
 
Arnold Rimmer....Chris Barrie
Dave Lister......Craig Charles
Holly............Hattie Hayridge
Cat..............Danny John-Jules
Kryten...........Robert Llewellyn
 
first run 1989
 
13. Backwards     Nov. 14, 9pm
 
Waitress (Maria Friedman), Compere (Tony Hawks), Customer in Cafe (Anna
Palmer), Pub Manager (Arthur Smith)
 
Lister and Rimmer finally arrive back on Earth through a time hole--only
to discover time is running backwards and so are the inhabitants.
 
14. Marooned     Nov. 21
 
No additional cast.
 
Hilly spots 5 black holes and in the resulting evacuation, Lister and
Rimmer get marooned on a frozen planetoid. As Red Dwarf heads on a
collision course towards a minefield of Black Holes, the crew are forced
to abandon ship.  Lister and Rimmer find themselves marooned on an artic
moon, with only a pot noodle and a tin of dogfood between them.  And
there's no way Lister is eating the pot noodle.
 
15. Polymorph      Nov. 28
 
Genny (Frances Barber), Young Rimmer (Simon Gaffrey), Rimmer's mother
(Kalli Greenwood).
 
A genetic mutant highly dangerous shape-changer which feeds on emotions,
salivates unspeakable slobber, and has more teeth than the entire Osmond
family, gets loose aboard Red Dwarf, and the nightmare begins. The crew
are subjected to 24 hours of non-stop horror, in a gruesome, petrifying
comedy blood-feast.
 
16. Bodyswap     Dec. 5
 
Carol Brown (Lia Williams)
 
The imminent destruction of Red Dwarf results in the discovery of a
process that allows mind/body swaps, with disasterous results. Rimmer
proposes a novel way for Lister to lose weight and get in shape. The two
of them swap bodies, but once Rimmer's mind is in Lister's body, will he
give it back?
 
17. Timeslides     Dec. 12
 
Adolf Hitler (Himself), American Presenter (Ruby Wax), Gilbert (Robert
Addie), Bodyguards (Rupert Bates, Richard Hainsworth), Young Lister
(Emile Charles), Young Rimmer (Simon Gaffrey), Thicky Holden (Simon
McKintosh), Ski Woman (Louisa Ruthren), Lady Sabrina Mulholland-Jjones
(Koo Stark), Ski Man (Mark Steel).
 
Kryten discovers some developing fluid which prints photographs the crew
can walk into. Lister uses one to change history, and winds up back on
Earth, wealthy and famous, with a string of beautiful companions. Rimmer
sets out to rescue him.
 
Adolph Hitler makes a guest appearance.
 
18. The Last Day     Dec. 19
 
Jim Reaper (Robert Llewellyn), Girl Android (Julie Higginson), Hudzen
(Gordon Kennedy).
 
All mechanoids are supplied with an built-in expiration date, and Kryten
discovers he has less than 24 hours to live, which leads to an
interesting discussion of religion, the rest of the crew throwing a huge
party to give him the best night of his life, and a violent encounter
with his replacement.
 
%--------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
** Red Dwarf IV **
 
first run spring 1991
 
19. Camille     Feb. 14, 9pm, BBC 2
 
Kryten, Red Dwarf's on-board mechanoid, rescues a female droid from a
crashed vessel. She, like him, is a 4,000 series, but Camille is the GTi
model, with realistic toes and a slide-back sun-roof head. Kryten finds
himself falling in advanced mutual compatibility on the basis of a
primary initial ident, or what humans call "love at first sight", but
the course of true advanced mutual compatibility never runs in a
non-glitch bug-free way.
 
20. DNA     Feb. 21
 
The crew locks onto an unidentified craft which contains a machine that
can transform living things by rewriting their DNA. A blessing or a
curse? The Dwarfers are unsure, until Lister's curry assumes near-human
form.
 
21. Justice    Feb. 28
 
Innate natural justice does not exist, except in Justice World, where
the consequences of a crime are inflicted on its perpetrator. The
innocent have nothing to fear, but Rimmer is in trouble.
 
 
22. White Hole     Mar. 7
 
Holly leaves the crew drifting helplessly towards a white hole. Will
Rimmer sacrifice his hologrammatic life to save the rest of the crew?
No.
 
23. Dimension Jump     Mar. 14
 
In a universe almost identical to our own, another Arnold Rimmer exists.
 
24. Melt Down     Mar. 21
 
A matter transporter whisks the crew to Waxworld - a giant theme park
where the waxdroids are running amok.
 
%------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 
-- 
|uunet!garfield!michael9|'"Proof denies faith and without faith I am nothing,"|
|michael9@odie.cs.mun.ca| says God.  "But you have given us proof," says      |
|POB 756, Goulds,  Nfld.| man, "Therefore you do not exist. QED." "Oh, my,"   |
|A0A 2K0		| says God, and disappears in a puff of logic.'       |

    Red Dwarf V starts in the UK on February 20 1992 !
    I shall note again when I know more.

    >                 <<< Note 578.48 by PEKING::ANDREWSJ >>>
    >                           -< RED DWARF V  >-

    >Red Dwarf V starts in the UK on February 20 1992 !
    > I shall note again when I know more.
    
    
    Would you know when it will hit the shores of America?

    

    No I don't know when it will get to the States, but you'll enjoy it
    when it does. The first episode was very funny. The only thing I didn't
    like was the new title sequence - it was rather boring compared with
    the Star Wars type intro for series IV.
    
    Synopsis for Holoship
    The crew are in Starbug when a blue blob of light enters the ship -
    Rimmer enters the blob and declares that it is beautiful. It then
    leaves the ship and takes Rimmer with it.  What transpires is that Red
    Dwarf has come across a Holoship - the ship and the crew are all
    computer generated allowing faster than light speeds.
    Rimmer asks to join the crew of the Holoship, already with a full
    complement, and therefore has to take an IQ test ; if he wins he can
    replace an existing member of the crew. The crewmember chosen to
    meet the challenge falls in love with Rimmer (he gets his end away
    for the third time in his life). In order to increase his IQ he has a
    mind patch with two of Red Dwarfs most intelligent officers. He starts
    the test well but the mind patch is rejected by his own mind. He admits
    cheating to his opponent, stating that joining the Holoship is the
    thing he wants most out of life. She withdraws from the game allowing
    him to become a crew member.
    When he is given her quarters he realises what has happened and asks to 
    leave the ship allowing the crewmember to be reinstated.
    
    Best lines
    Kryten : They've taken Mr Rimmer
    Cat    : What are we waiting for, lets go before they bring him back.
    
    Rimmer : I'm prepared to risk losing my mind (re the dangers of a mind
    patch)
    Cat    : It's a small price to pay
    
    
    I hear that Red Dwarf is being remade in the US with American actors -
    any news ?

>>    I hear that Red Dwarf is being remade in the US with American actors -
>>    any news ?

    I would love to know why it should be at all necessary for this to be done.

    Anyone from the American side of the Atlantic care to shed any light on this
for me? Is it the accents, some of the language, the comedy or what?

	Matt

    Re. .51:
    
    I heard about this some time ago. It's probably all three points that
    you mention:
    
    SET MODE/CYNICAL
    
    The accents aren't American
    The language is British, not American
    The comedy is funny
    
    SET MODE/NOCYNICAL
    
    In fact, I think American TV producers just like to make everything
    look as though they thought of it first. I suppose it's a fair
    exchange: we adapt American programmes for our use, so they adapt ours
    for theirs. The difference is that they are then net importers of
    quality, while we are net exporters. (Game shows and cop series in
    exchange for stuff like Red Dwarf).
    
    Dave Hazel

Relax.  A pilot was shot for NBC last month; at the end of shooting
NBC decided not to pick up the series.  The pilot may show up in the
crop of "original programs" that get aired in late summer.

Susan

    Does anyone know if this series can be seen in the Boston, MA area at
    all? - I've seen in once a couple years ago on PBS, laughed a lot, then
    forgot about it until I saw the book _Better Than Life_ which was a
    VERY funny.  I haven't seen any listings for it locally, though.  maybe
    on video?
    
    					Thanks,   Jimbo

>
>    Does anyone know if this series can be seen in the Boston, MA area at
>    all? - 

I was under the impression that Channel 11 out of NH was going to start
showing the whole series again, sometime in the near future.  It was during
a beg-a-thon, so I was not really listening...  Maybe one of their monthly
guides has it in (and it is close to where you are).

-Joe

    NEW SERIES OF RED DWARF NOW
    
    Started on the BEEP last night... what looks like another most
    excellent adventure (to coin a phrase).
    
    Anyone who has the time may want to out in a synopsis...
    
    Bob

    This means that some year now, we'll get it on T.V.Ontario.........
    
    Monica

    
    
    
    	Well, Red Dwarf VI finnished last night with a tense and gripping
    	ending.  Anyone see it?
    
    
    	John...
    
    
    	P.S.
    	I love Red Dwarf!!!
    
    
    			

    No...but I will see it tonight!
    
    Bob

    Re .58
    
    Yes. They seem to be trying hard to maintain the brilliant standard set
    by the earlier series, and almost succeeding. It is still the funniest
    program on the telly. 
    
    Peter

    	For us poor Americans who can't see current episodes of RD, would
    you be so kind as to describe what is happening with the series?
    
    	Thank you.
    

    With appropriate Spoiler warnings, of course....

    Eh? Sorry, didn't get that.....?
    
    Michael

    
    
    
    	Re: .61
    
    
    	This series is all about the four guys, no holly in this series,
    	racing around in Starbug 1 trying to catch up with Red Dwarf
    	which has been hijacked by an alien life form.
    	Anyone else care to take over?
    
    
    	John...
    
    
    			

    
    
    
    	Oh well, I suppose I will have to do it.
    	I will post it when I have finnished typing it.
    
    
    	John...
    
    
    			

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    Has anyone heard how Craig Charles is getting on???
    
    John...
    
    
    			

Nope. Last I heard he was still in jail. What, no word from the British press?

    I think he appeared in court on 21-Sep and is now on the list to be
    tried at the Old Bailey.
    
    Peter

    What's he in for?

He is accused of rape. 

    
    
    
    The latest on Craig Charles from the Official Red Dwarf Fan Club:
    
    "On 10/07/94, Craig Charles and John Peploe, a company director, were
    accused of being involved in a rape case.  On 11/07/94 both Craig
    Charles and John Peploe appear before South-Western magistrates.  They
    are remanded in custody for 1 week, bail applications were refused.  On
    18/07/94 Craig Charles and John Peploe reappear before South-Western
    magistrates.  They are remanded in custody until 15/08/94.  Then until
    12/09/94.  Then until 21/09/94.
    
    On 21/09/94, 22/09/94 and 23/09/94 the case is heard in South-Western
    magistrates' court and is subsequently sent for trial at the Old
    Bailey Crown Court.  Bail applications were refused.  No date was set
    for the trial and at the time of going to press a date has still not
    been set.
    
    Craig Charles vehemently denies the charge.  He asked that if the case
    goes to trial that it is heard as soon as possible.
    
    A new series of Red Dwarf has been commissioned, subject to contract,
    and will go into production in the middle of 1995.
    
    Red Dwarf is still perceived as a current and on going programme."
    
    Since then he has had his bail application accepted.
    Also Red Dwarf has won two awards.  One being on the Comedy Awards on
    ITV presented by Jonathon Ross, where, by the way, Spike Miligan said
    something about Prince Charles.  You would have had to have seen it.
    
    You can join the "Official Red Dwarf Fan Club" by sending a SSAE to:
    
    The Official Red Dwarf Fan Club
    40 Pitford Road
    Woodley
    Reading
    Berkshire
    RG5 4QF
    ENGLAND
    
    Cheers,
    
    John...
    
    
    			 

    For Christmas I was given a BBC video - "The Smeg Ups". Its some of the
    out-takes from the Red Dwarf shows. It also includes the original
    ending to one of the episodes (I think its the last episode from series
    6). 

    In addition to the usual missed lines, props not working etc. there is
    a section about the troubles they have with models like Starbug.

    Strangely enough there was not a single out-take from Holly...

    ...but then that's what you would expect from a computer with an IQ of
    7000 isn't it ?

    Andy

>    ...but then that's what you would expect from a computer with an IQ of
>    7000 isn't it ?
  
  or even from one with an IQ of 6000 :-)
  
  Peter

    
    
    
    Yeah it is 6000.  Anyway, I got the Smeg Ups tape as well.
    In yours did you get the entry form for the competition or was it 
    a joke?
    
    
    John...
    
    
    			

    I don't remember an entry form but I'll have another look later...
    
    Andy
    

    
    
    
    	It was Craig Charles' trial this week.  Anyone heard anything?
    
    	John...
    
    
    			

    	Hi,
    	   The trial is "on-going" and is expected to last 2-3 weeks. In a
    	Police statement Craig Charles admitted being at the flat on the
    	night in question but denied that anything improper happened.

    	Andy

    
    
    
    14:05 3-Mar-95.
    I just heard on the radio that Craig Charles has been found NOT guilty
    of Rape and not guilty of indecent assault.  His friend John Peploe
    has also been found not guilty on both charges.
    
    Red Dwarf VII will start filming later this year.  Its rumoured to be
    eight episodes in this series with a Christmas special.
    
    John...
    
    
    			

    
    
    
    Series Seven is being filmed as I type.
    Some bad news though.  Chris Barrie has left the show after only
    filming the first two shows of series seven.
    
    John...
    
    
    			

    
    <----- Whaaaaaat?

    
    
    
    I'm afraid that this does seem to be the case.
    It was in the Daily Mail's TV Guide under their "TV Whispers"
    section.
    
    Anyone else out there checking this topic have anymore info???
    
    John...
    
    
    			

just an FYI:

Red Dwarf 5 (yes, FIVE) has been seen on the shelves at SUncoast Video, 
Pheasant Lane Mall, Nashua NH USA within the last week.  I do not follow 
the show but thought there might be some interest here.

-Joe