Conference noted::sf

    'Destination Moon' was included in the Gregg Press hardcover of the
    same name.  The book is principally about the movie but it also
    includes the original story.  I believe this is the only place it
    was ever published in book form.
    
    You may have trouble finding this book though.  Gregg Press did publish
    a goodly number of SF&F titles but the print runs were generally 500
    copies or less as they targetted the library market.
    
    Gregg Press is located in Boston and published this book in 1979.
    
    Herk

    
    I have a vage memory of both _Destination Moon_ and
    _Tenderfoot in Space_ being reprinted along with an
    appreciation in a single volume published quite recently
    (within the past few months).
    
    Title, anyone?

    
    The title of the collection mentioned in .3 is "Requiem" edited by Yoji
    Kondo.  It has "Destination Moon" in two versions, as well as
    tenderfoot in space.  It also contains several of Heinlein's writings
    that have not been printed for a long time, some have never been
    printed. 
    
    A good one.  
    
    If you need a pointer, let me know and I'll get the ISBN
    and publisher from my copy tonight. 
    
    - Russ.
    
    

.4>    If you need a pointer, let me know and I'll get the ISBN
.4>    and publisher from my copy tonight. 
    
    Yes, please (pant, pant)
    
    Wildrik

    
    "Requiem: New Collected Works by Robert A. Heinlein" 
    
    Edited by Yoji Kondo
    
    ISBN 0-312-85168-5
    
    TOR Books - Tom Doherty Assoc. , 175 Fifth Ave, New York, NY 10010
    

    
    Yup--that's the one. (I saw a copy remaindered at Stop & Shop,
    so it can't be too hard to find)

Article: 14932
From: yoffa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: Robert Heinlein's speech
Date: Sun,  5 Sep 93 02:39:51 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Services
 
In Article <CCuxoo.p6v@ns1.nodak.edu>
stanley@plains.NoDak.edu (Brian Stanley) writes:

>hollis@titan.ksc.nasa.gov writes:
> 
>>Does anybody have the text to Robert Heinlein's speech to the ?Senate?
>>?Congress? about how spinoff / space exploration is not only beneificial, but
>
>I don't have the actual text, however in _Expanded Universe_, Mr. Heinlein
>supplies an abridged version.  ("Spinoff", pp. 500-513 in the 1982 Ace
>paperback edition).  Or you might check a nearby government documents
>repository...
>
>------------------------------
>Brian Stanley  --  stanley@plains.nodak.edu
>Neither the UND Department of Space Studies nor the US Air Force knows,
>nor do they likely care, what I have said here.
>-- 
>------------- Brian Stanley -------------- stanley@plains.nodak.edu ----------
>"That red stuff, that's BLOOD that is.  Meant to be on the inside, it is.  BAD
>sign if it's not on the inside, that's what I says." Master Redlaw 
>(Sandman #51)
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Yes, but this speech *was* published in a magazine.  Heinlein's
address was to a Joint Session of Congress on July 19, 1979 on the
topic: "Applications of Space Technology for the Elderly and the
Handicapped." Also testifying at that Session was Trudy E. Bell, then
of NASA.  This is from Heinlein's "own mouth" ("Spinoff," pp. 500-513
of EXPANDED UNIVERSE) 
 
If anyone knows where a complete copy of this speech--or Session--can be
had, please post.  Here's one for your Trivia Phenom, Henry!
 
Thanks.
--
Sarah R. Yoffa
 
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Article: 14938
From: Richard_Ahrens@vos.stratus.com
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: RE: Robert Heinlein's speech
Date: 6 Sep 1993 16:00:08 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Laguna Hills, CA
 
In article <1993Sep4.140959.7309@titan.ksc.nasa.gov>
hollis@titan.ksc.nasa.gov wrote: 

>Greetings and Salutations: 
> 
>Does anybody have the text to Robert Heinlein's speech to the ?Senate? 
>?Congress? about how spinoff / space exploration is not only beneificial, but 
>how he personally benefited by the medical advances made? 
 
His own condensed version is published in a collection of his writing
entitled "Expanded Universe." Should be available at any general bookstore. 
 
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Article: 5188
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (AP)
Newsgroups: clari.local.iowa,clari.news.movies
Subject: Sci-Fi Takes Over Des Moines
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 94 12:10:13 PST
 
	DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- Downtown Des Moines was dead this
weekend. Blame the alien slugs.

	Production crews buzzed the city with two helicopters Saturday
and Sunday, filming the climax of the science-fiction movie ``The
Puppet Masters.'' 

	Because the crew needed Des Moines to appear devoid of life,
police kept the streets clear of cars and people each time a
helicopter made a run over the business district.

	Sightseers gaped. Business owners seethed.

	``How can they do this to a business area?'' asked Lee Ozdych,
manager of the downtown J.C. Penney Co. store.

	The store has been flooded with customers for a closeout sale.
But the filming frequently prevented employees and customers from
entering for up to 10 minutes at a time.

	``We've got some really irate people,'' said Linda Sinclair,
who was helping the filmmakers keep people from crossing a street.
``And then others are OK.  Some of them are really fascinated.'' 

	The movie, starring Donald Sutherland and Julie Warner, is
based on the novel by the late Robert Heinlein.  In the movie, slugs
land outside an Iowa community, called ``Ambrose,'' take control of
residents and invade Des Moines. 

	``Des Moines will be saved from aliens, but there won't be
anybody left,'' said Tim Hillman, the location manager.

	Most of the filming was completed on a Los Angeles sound stage
and in Fresno, Calif.

Great book.  Hope they don't mangle it too badly.

    Any idea when this movie will be released ? Sounds like it's just in
    the initial stages of production. 
    
    I have hoped for years that SOMEONE would make ANY Heinlein novel into
    a movie..... Starship Troopers, Tunnel in The Sky, Methuselah's Children...
    
    Puppet Masters is great, too. Gee, I wonder how this will translate
    into a film...I have to re-read the book.
    I think I was about 16 when I read it the first time....and it was pretty
    racy at that time...

Having Donald Sutherland in it invites comparisons with Invasion of the Body
Snatchers...

    I vote for a miniseries based on the lives of Lazarus Long.
    

    re -.1
    
    	*all* his life(lives)??  That'd be more than a *mini*series - to do
    it right, it'd have to be a 5 year run . . . :-)
    
    	Actually, a any series based in his 'Future History' would probably
    be pretty cool - start with Piraro, go on to the road-cities and the
    Howard Families, etc, etc.
    
    	My vote for a movie would be The Moon is a Harsh Mistress ( hmm.. 
    maybe that would have to be a miniseries as well... )
    
    					- Jim

Sorry, most of what made SIASL good was the philosophy: whether you agreed
with them or not, the comments were certainly conversation-provoking...  I
am currently re-reading the "original uncut version", and see why it was
cut for its original publication.

I was going to suggest that "Starship Troopers" would be a good movie:
plenty of action (both large fleet and one-on-one ground action), enough
of a story to carry it, and you could even slip in some of Juan Rico's
experiences in History and Moral Philosophy class.  And can you picture
the job that the IL&M team could do with a powered suit?  

But on second thought I don't think it would translate well.  The producers
would be more likely to simply ignore any of the philosophy in the book,
and just turn out a John-Wayne-in-the-22nd-century war movie.  Now, there
is nothing wrong with a John-Wayne-in-the-22nd-century war movie, as such,
but it wouldn't be the Heinlein book that many of us know and love.

And that led me to the realization that *much* of what made Heinlein books
so good would be ignored/not understood/lost/deliberately corrupted by the
Hollywood producers of today.  With the possible exception of James Cameron
(maker of "The Abyss", "Terminator", "Terminator II", "Aliens" and others), 
no producer to my knowledge has the love of the story, or the ability to put
in emotion and philosophy, into a fantastic action picture.  Either it gets
bogged down in philosophy and delivers no action ("Dune" comes to mind), or
it is a mindless shoot-em-up (compare "Terminator II" with "Predator", both
of which are superb action movies, but the depth of emotion and philosophy 
in "T2" is *miles* beyond that of "Predator").

Sorry, but while I would love to see a good adaptation of "Between Planets",
"Citizen of the Galaxy", "Glory Road", "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", "If
This Goes On --", "The Puppet Masters", "Starship Troopers", and "Stranger 
in a Strange Land", I believe that my insistence on a *good* adaptation
precludes any such effort being accomplished.

"Good" in this case means fairly true to the source material, decent casting,
good action, and enough of the Heinlein questions that people will walk away
from the movie talking about them.  Agree or not, I don't care, but if the
movie does not generate earnest conversation about the philosophy, then it
is not true to its source material.

-- Ken Moreau

I caught the tail end of a commercial this week on FOX for "Robert Heinlein's 
Red Planet". I THINK it's animated. My TV Guide shows it being on at 11:30 
Central Time this Saturday. I have no idea if it's new, or what. 

Set the VCR, Ma.......

- Russ

    re .16:
    
    I've seen the commericials, it is animated.

    It started last week.  It's an animated mini-series, lasting three
    weeks, I think.

    I watched it saturday. It is 3 weeks long and start two saturdays ago.
    The story carries vaig simularities between it and the book. The
    characters are the same. The story is simplified and action is added.
    this made it just another kid action series. 
                       Jeff Peters

    Just saw an advert for "The Puppet Masters"
    
    The movie opens Friday Oct 21st. Rated R.
    
    	Dave

    
    Yes and not only were the aliens not the slugs I remember so fondly,
    but Donald Sutherland appears to have a leading role.
    
    JP
    

It's certainly been decades since I read the Puppet Masters, but from what
I've seen in the promo's advertising this, it seems to resemble a bit
what I thought they might look like.  Specifically, smallish sized lumps 
that sit between the shoulder blades.  Any one know if this is the first
major Heinlein book that's made it to film?

PeterT

Both Destination Moon and Rocket Ship Galileo have been made into movies
in the 50s

re: .23

  >Both Destination Moon and Rocket Ship Galileo have been made into movies
  >in the 50s

Rocket Ship Galileo!  Good lord.  What title was the movie released under?

  -doug

    I believe "Destination Moon" was the movie based (very loosely) on 
    the book "Rocket Ship Galileo".

    re: .25
    
    Actually, I think it is based on "The Man Who Sold the Moon".  But its
    been a long time since I've seen the movie.
    
    							/alan

Nope. "Destination Moon" was a script that Heinlein worked up loosely based upon 
"Spaceship Galileo".  There is a reference book published after his death (I
believe called "Requiem") which contains the fleshed out story based on that 
screenplay. 

After all the problems he had dealing with the producers and the film studio, he 
swore that he would never again make a movie from one of his books. 

Looking forward to the Puppet Masters. I'm re-reading it right now to refresh 
my memory. 

- Russ

    There was a ST:TOS episode with a plot that was reminiscent of "The
    Puppet Masters."  I hope this flick is better than that episode.
    
    					andrew

    Went to see the movie this week-end...
    
    It sorta more or less followed the book (I re-read it before going),
    though there were a few bits that they introduced on their own.
    
    I won't spoil things for anyone just yet...
    
    	Dave

    
    This weekend I picked up the uncut version of "The Puppet Masters."
    This has about 100 new pages and the book is _much_ improved as a
    result. It makes me hope that there is some extra material from "Beyond
    This Horizon" lurking about (I always thought BTH resembled TPM in that
    they were both excellent but kind of choppy).
    
    Note that Barnes&Noble did not have it...in fact they had only three
    Heinlein titles, which makes me think there might be yet another set of
    Heinlein releases on the way, spearheaded by the release of the movie.
    
    I certainly hope that is the case. Heinlein paperbacks have been in
    print for as long as I've been prowling bookstores. I think the first
    one I bought was a Signet publication and I paid $.50 for it.
    
    JP

    If you haven't seen the movie yet, then this will be a spoiler....
    
    SPOILER:
    
    
    
    
    Well, I went to see if last night and I pretty much thought it was
    a poor choice of SciFi for Hollywood to spend their money on.  The
    screen play was reminiscent of 50's/60's type stuff.  It's about as
    far removed from modern (90's) works as Flash Gordon serials are
    from it. The story has been worn out over the years and the holes in
    plot and continuity are a little aggrevating to more sophisticated
    viewers.  There were times when it was more than a little silly.
    
    I thought the action sequences were mildly exciting - perhaps a little
    too staged.  This is definitely a low-budget, B film.  I was one of
    four people in the theater for the 7:15 showing on a Tuesday night.
    
    Of course, I had to see it and I'm not sorry I did.  I'd recommend it
    for home-video viewing, not for box-office prices (I used a CANAD
    VIP ticket, but even $4.50 was more than it was worth).
    
    To sum up, save your theater-dollars for Star Gate and Generations.
    _Marty

    re: .-1
    
    I thought it was a solid "B" movie, say *** out of *****, but that may
    have been influenced by the fact that I made a point of re-reading the
    book before I went; it was interesting watching how they condensed the
    book, plot device substitutions, etc. Overall, I thought it was fairly
    faithful to the main plot line in the book, with a few exceptions...
    
    Spoilers:
    
    
    1) Mary's 'possession' was a significant plot line in the movie, and 
    	didn't really have any correspondance with the book
    2) They substituted elevated body temperture as a means of detection
    	instead of 'Operation Bare-backs' (and it still got an R rating??)
    3) The alien 'nest'/HQ; huh??
    4) they supposedly managed to kill _all_ the aliens.
    
    The aliens themselves were interesting; they differred from what I
    imagined in the book, but after thinking about it the movie aliens
    actually seemed to make more sense than the book aliens.
    
    	Dave