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Title:Arcana Caelestia
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1065.0. "A Request for Information" by TNPUBS::WIX () Wed May 06 1992 15:49

	

     I am submitting this for a friend who needs data to develop  and
     substantiate her thesis.

     To keep SF from getting swamped please  send  your  replies  to
     TNPUBS::WIX.  A summary of the information will be
 announced and
     made available on a public disk whose location will be posted
     as a reply to this note

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                                 H E L P !

     I am trying to escape from college by writing a thesis on one of
     my  pet  peeves,  bad science in fantasy and science fiction.  I
     have encountered a number of claims which suggest that I must be
     an unusual reader to have this objection.


     Amoung these claims are arguments that Science  fiction  readers
     aren't  sophisticated  enough  to  notice  scientific  errors, a
     belief that unreal settings permit writers to throw away  normal
     standards  of  plausibility  and  consistency,  and  a  frequent
     misunderstanding of how the "temporary suspension of  disbelief"
     really works with readers.

     I think the people making these arguments  really  underestimate
     SF  readers,  but  I  need  demographic  data to help prove them
     wrong.  Please entitle yourself to multiple thanks by converting
     yourself into a datum by means of the following questions.  Most
     of the answers are multiple choice to minimize typing.  When you
     reply just type your answers in the form of 1-a, 2-23 etc.

     If you feel any question is inappropriate please skip it or feel
     free to comment.




     1  Are You

         a.  Female
         b.  Male

     2  What Is Your Age?

     3  Do You Prefer To Read

         a.  Fantasy
         b.  Science Fiction
         c.  Both equally
         d.  Don't draw a distinction between them

     4  Which Of The Following Periodicals Do You Read?

         a.  Analog
         b.  Fantasy & Science Fiction
         c.  Asimov's
         d.  Omni
         e.  Science News
         f.  Science
         g.  Scientific American
         h.  Popular Mechanics
         i.  Nature
         j.  Natural History
         k.  National Geographic
         l.  Prevention
         m.  Berkley Wellness Letter
         n.  Time
         o.  Newsweek
         p.  Archaeology

     5  Do You Consider Yourself Primarily To Be

         a.  A student
         b.  In the workforce (or temporarily unemployed)
         c.  A homemaker
         d.  Retired

     6  In What Field Is Your Current Job (or Most Likely Prospect Of
        Employment?)

         a.  Computer engineering/service
         b.  Other electronics engineering/service
         c.  Biological sciences
         d.  Business/management/accounting
         e.  Clerical
         f.  Other (please specify)

     7  Is Your Level Of Education

         a.  Less than High School graduate
         b.  High School graduate or equivalent
         c.  Some college up to and including associates degree
         d.  Technical, non-collegiate certification program
         e.  Bachelors or equivalent college courses
         f.  Postgraduate

     8  Were Your Courses

         a.  Theoretical sciences (mathematics, chemistry)
         b.  Applied sciences (engineering, appliance repair)
         c.  Humanities

     9  Does Your Current Job (or Most  Likely  Employment  Prospect)
        Usually Require?

         a.  Your academic qualifications
         b.  Fewer academic qualifications
         c.  More academic qualifications (you never got your degree)
         d.  Academic qualifications different from what you have  (a
             computer programmer who majored in English)

     10  Scenario

     Would you consider a story  somewhat  implausible  if  a  writer
     described  a fictitious but otherwise earthlike Medieval culture
     which used aluminum for everyday household implements?

         a.  Yes
         b.  No

     11  Scenario

     Would you consider  a  story  implausible  if  a  writer  had  a
     pre-medieval  European  character  invent  stirrups  to become a
     better warrior?

         a.  Yes
         b.  No

     12  Are  Chipmunks  European  Imports  Like  Rats,  Pigeons  And
         Sparrows?

         a.  Yes
         b.  No

     For the following list of writers, please indicate either

         a.  You would consider reading something by him/her
         b.  You would not consider reading her/his works
         c.  Haven't heard of this writer

     13  Rita Mae Brown (_Rubyfruit Jungle_, _Southern Discomfort_)

     14  Stephen King (_Cujo_, _Firestarter_)

     15  Lawrence Durrell (_The Alexandrian Quartet_)

     16  Richard Adams (_The Plague Dogs_, _Watership Down_)

     17  Diana Wynne-Jones (_Fire & Hemlock, _Howl's Moving Castle_)

     18  Judith Krantz (_Princess Daisy_, _Mistral's Daughter_)

     19  Terry Brooks (_The Sword Of Shanara_)

     20  Tad Williams (_Tailchaser's Song_)

     21  Kathleen Woodiwiss (_The Flame & The Flower_, _Ashes In  The
         Wind_)



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1065.1The results are in.TNPUBS::WIXTue Oct 20 1992 20:23327
Hi everybody. Here are the results to last April's survey on science
fiction and fantasy readers. Some of you statistics fanatics may notice
that the total number of answers to certain questions does not always add
up to the total number of surveys returned. In some cases, data
transmission problems blanked out an answer. Some people also provided
interesting, but unclassifiable (and often tangential), comments in place
of an answer. 


Anyway, here goes:

1) Are you 
 a. Female?   						23
 b. Male?   						47
 abstentions   	 					 2
 total respondents  	   				72

2) What is your age?
 mean female			       			28.74
 median female  	       				28
 mean male			       			30.77
 median male			       			29 
 mean total			       			29.96

3) Do you prefer to read
 a. fantasy			 			 4
 b. science fiction		       			24
 c. both equally			 		36
 d. don't draw a distintion    				 6

4) Which of the following periodicals do you read?
 a. Analog			 			19
 b. Fantasy & Science Fiction  				12
 c. Asimov's			 			20
 d. Omni			 			 6
 e. Science News			 		11
 f. Science			  			17
 g. Scientific American					41
 h. Popular Mechanics					 5
 i. Nature			  			10
 j. Natural History					 6
 k. National Geographic					18
 l. Prevention						 1
 m. Berkeley Wellness Letter  				 3
 n. Time			  			16
 o. Newsweek			 			19
 p. Archaeology						 2
 Write in votes:
 Economist			 			 2
 Skeptical Enquirer  					 1
 Wall Street Journal  	 			         1
 Discover			 	     		 1
 Rolling Stone				 		 1
 Reader's Digest					 1
 New Scientist						 2
 Smithsonian			 	       		 1
 Chess Life						 1

5) Do you consider yourself primarily to be
 a. a student?						24
 b. in the workforce?  					47
 c. a homemaker?					 0
 d. retired?			 			 0
 abstention			 			 1

6) In what field is your current job (or most likely employment
 prospect)?
 a. Computer engineering/service  			39
 b. Other electronics engineering/service		 4
 c. Biological sciences 				 4
 d. Business/management/accounting 			 0
 e. Clerical			 			 1
 f. other
  mechanical engineering		       	         3
  physical sciences		       			 7
  communications (writing, technical 
  illustration, publishing, etc.)			 9
  education						 2
  mathematics						 3
  uncommitted						 2

7) Is your level of education
 a. less than high school?		       		0
 b. high school or equivalent? 				 0
 c. some college, up to and incl. asscociates? 		10
 d. Technical, non-college certification ?		 2
 e. Bachelor's or equiv. courses?  			24
 f. Postgraduate?			 		37

8) Were your courses
 a. Theoretical sciences?(math,chem)  
 b. Applied sciences? (appliance repair, engineering) 	10
 c. Humanities						 3
 more than one category			  		26
 abstention						 1
 business						 1

9) Does your current job (or most likely prospect) require
 a. Your academic qualifications?			50
 b. Fewer academic qualifications? 			 9
 c. More academic qualifications? 			 6
 d. Different qualifications?		       		 6
 abstention			 			 1

10) Scenario

Would you consider a story somewhat implausible if a writer
described  a fictitious but otherwise earthlike mediaeval culture which
used aluminum  for everyday household implements? 
 a. yes							60
 b. no							11
 abstention  						 1
 
11) Scenario
 Would you consider a story somewhat implausible if a writer had a pre-mediaeval 
European character invent stirrups in order to become a better warrior?
 a. yes							11
 b. no							58
 abstentions 						 3

12) Are chipmunks european imports?
 a. yes							 4
 b. no			 				42
 c. uncertain no  					10
 d. don't know  					12
 e. abstentions		       			 	 4
 

For the following list of writers, please state whether you
 a. would read read something by author			
 b. would not read something by author
  or  
 c. don't know author  

13) Rita Mae Brown (Rubyfruit Jungle, Sourthern Discomfort)
 a. would read		       				 9
 b. would not read 					 6
 c. don't know author 					56

14) Stephen King (Cujo, Firestarter)
 a. would read			 			36
 b. would not read  					36
 c. don't know author					 0

15) Lawrence Durrell (The Alexandrian Quartet)
 a. would read  					18
 b. would not read 					 6
 c. don't know author 					48

16) Richard Adams (The Plague Dogs, Watership Down)
 a. would read  					56
 b. would not read					16
 c. don't know author					 0

17) Diana Wynne-Jones (Fire & Hemlock, Howl's Moving Castle)
 a. would read  					17
 b. would not read					 3
 c. don't know author 					51

18) Judith Krantz (Princess Daisy, Mistral's Daughter)
 a. would read  					11
 b. would not read					40
 c. don't know author 					21

19) Terry Brooks (The Sword of Shannara)
 a. would read						32
 b. would not read  					34
 c. don't know author					 1

20) Tad Williams (Tailchaser's Song)
 a. would read  					39
 b. would not read		       			 7
 c. don't know author 					29

21) Kathleen Woodiwiss
 a. would read 						 4
 b. would not read		       			 3
 c. don't know author 					65

Since many of you offered insightful or biting observations, I'll try to
provide some background information as I go along. Several of you pointed 
out that I would get a skewed sample if I relied entirely on the computer
networks for data. I was in fact counting on this skew for this particular
survey. At the time that this survey went out, most of my acquaintances had
less than four years of college, with ages varying from around 20 years up
to 45 or so. I needed access to a large number of college educated
respondents; I was also hoping to get some people in their late teens. 

Several people seemed to base suggestions on various false assumptions 
about my background. Yup, I do read science fiction and fantasy; I also
read other stuff. No, I do not consider myself a humanities major. I've
been taking classes at various colleges and universities for the past ten
years (using the Fred Cassidy avoid-a-major strategy); the majority would
count towards either biology, psychology or engineering technology degrees.
My bank describes my job and title as "professional-other (electronics)."

Question #3 ties in with the first two questions and later questions on 
education because an article in Publisher's Weekly a year or two ago. In
short, a couple of editors were quoted as saying that women and less
sophisticated readers tend to read more fantasy. The editors theorized that
people don't have to know as much to appreciate fantasy. Readers can make
an easy transition from fairy tales to fantasy, and they never have to deal
with scary hard science. (Only one male confessed to preferring fantasy in
this survey, but I don't think I got a statistically valid sample.) 

I was somewhat startled by the professional interpretation for a couple of
reasons. One was that I as a female had avoided a lot of early science 
fiction, not because of the science, but because of the purple prose and
sexism. Nowdays I avoid a lot of fantasy for the same reasons. The article
didn't really touch on these turn-offs. Another reason I was startled is
that I know a number of people who have slammed shut both well written
science fiction and fantasy novels and total dreck. Conventional measures
of sophistication such as education, amount of free time spent reading,
etc. did not predict which people would enjoy which novels.

Several people figured out that questions 4-9 were intended to measure 
sophistiation in various ways. Questions 7 and 8 got a lot of comments. 
First of all, a couple of people who were quite proud of their advanced
degrees were annoyed that I did not include separate spots for the various
postgraduate degrees in # 7. I did not for the simple reason that different
fields require different levels of education. Business types frequently
stop with an MBA because further education is expensive and makes them no
more employable (unless, of course, they want to teach at a university.) On
the other hand, there are precious few meaningful jobs for astronomers
without doctorates. Therefore, the decision to pursue an advanced degree
reflects economic pressure as much as it reflects talent and ability. There
were also a few comments and questions about #7 c and d specifically. For
the Europeans who were uncertain about American  education, my experience
has been that an associate's degree is roughly equivalent to completion of
gymnasium or realschule. The certification programs I've encountered
(drafting, electronics, emergency medical technician, etc.) roughly
correspond to the Scandinavian uddanelse.

Question 8a caused a couple of people to complain that chemistry is in 
fact an applied science rather than a theoretical. Okay, I admit a personal
prejudice here. My grandfather was a chemical engineer who worked with
polymers. My mother was a chemist. I always perceived them as doing
different work; he was much more in tune with the nitty-gritty details of
manufacturing (how many kids do you know whose home libraries had entire
books on tire beads?) This basic opinion about the difference between
practice and theory was strengthened a few years ago while I was doing
literature surveys on heavy metal contamination. I discovered that a number
of researchers had never bothered to worry that organic samples are full of
ions like calcium and sodium (which can affect test results.) As a result,
they never noticed that they were producing some pretty amazing statistics.
There was a blatant lack of real-world experience in this research.

Question 8 b also provoked some outrage. Engineers seemed to resent being
equated with toaster repairers. I don't blame them, except  that the two
trades teach different things. It's like comparing chiropractors and
dermatologists. The dermatologist has a more schooling, but I wouldn't
trust my back to one. People connected to academia (students, professors,
researchers) who answered this survey tended to denigrate the trade schools
much more than did people from the private sector. 

I suspect the difference stems from the fact that universities and colleges
rarely grant transfer credit or hire staff from trade schools. Therefore,
academics don't take courses at trade schools, and they don't have professional
contact with graduates of trade schools. The same sort of rivalry went on with
chiropractors and doctors a few years ago.

The scenario in question #10 came out of an argument a couple of my
literal-minded friends had ten or fifteen years ago about the source of
mithril in Tolkein (platinum vs. aluminum.) The big objection to aluminum
in mediaeval settings was that aluminum smelting requires energy of a sort
impossible for a low-tech society to produce. 

The scenario in # 11 came out of Bradley's Mists of Avalon. Lancelot was
supposed to have started using stirrups, accounting for his success as a
horseman and fighter.

Question # 12 came from something by Stephen Lawhead. I'll be fair; he 
might not have intended the milieu to be prehistoric Europe. Chipmunks are 
indeed native to North America. As far as I know, they have not emigrated. 
The reason I chose this question, silly as it is, is that I've noticed a
tendency, especially among North Americans, for writers and artists to
really screw up their biology and natural history. 

There are two common types of errors I've noticed. The first is the inclusion
of species which do not live (and sometimes could not live) in a given area.
The second is a failure to understand basic genetics and inheritance. I was
rather surprised at the trouble a lot of people seemed to have with this
question. I ran the question by several of my acqintances who had not graduated
from college; they had no difficulty with the question. 

Why the difference? Based on my own personal experience with college courses, I
suspect that the reason apparantly well educated people had trouble with  the
question is that college biology course tend to be geared toward pre-med rather
than environmental science. My acquaintances, who tend to have hobbies like
hunting, camping, mountain biking, etc. picked up a solid understanding of
natural science through practical observation.  There are other examples I
could have used. 

For instance, the paperback cover of De Lint's Wolf Moon has a wonderfully
detailed picture of the tropical golden pothos plant (epipremnum aureum, unless
they've changed the name again), complete with the brown spots typical of the
plant when it is overwatered after a move to a darker location. Since Wolf Moon
takes place in a cold climate without central heating, I doubt a pothos plant
was really part of the decor. However, since most people know what chipmunks
are (unlike pothos plants), I figured chipmunks would be better  in an example.

The author list was an attempt to find out about reader preferences and 
crossover without pushing any buttons. Since most of you knew King, Adams, 
and Brooks, I'll skip them. Rita Mae Brown gets a lot of attention from the
feminist press. She's also very funny as she manages to poke fun of the
extremes in the gay, feminist, and right wing communities. Durrell is
mainstream; for some reason he doesn't get taught in the Intro Lit courses
much. Diana Wynne-Jones gets marketed as juvenile but is worth checking out
anyway. Check out the review in Fantasy & Science Fiction, Feb 1992. 
Krantz and Woodiwiss write what might be called steamy tales of passion. 
Williams' publisher seems to be trying to manufacture the next Terry
Brooks; I hope the advertising budget isn't coming out of the poor guy's
royalties.

Finally, I was surprised by the comments that I didn't get. Nobody pointed 
out that I should have had questions about television viewing habits. I
suspect that most people get a large portion of their information from
television. The quality of programs presumably varies. However, I have not
owned a television for over ten years. I have no idea what programs are on
today; I wouldn't know how to evaluate the answers I got. 

Thanks for the help and thoughtful comments; sorry I took so long to get 
the answers back to you. Also, please be nice to the guy who owns this
account. As I recall from my childhood, the television stations always used
to say that they were not responsible for the views presented in certain
programs. He's not responsible for the views presented in this program.