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Title:Arcana Caelestia
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Moderator:NETRIX::thomas
Created:Thu Dec 08 1983
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1300
Total number of notes:18728

885.0. "Wingrove's Chung Kuo" by HGABSS::SZETO (Simon Szeto @HGO, Hongkong) Sun Jun 24 1990 11:35

    While browsing in Boston a couple of weeks ago I came across this book
    entitled "Chung Kuo."  I forgot who was the author.  The premise of the
    story was that, unlike in our own history, the Middle Kingdom (Chung
    Kuo) dominated this planet.  That's all I remember from the dust
    jacket.
    
    Has anybody else seen or read this?  I'm just wondering if there'll be
    any chance to see it in softcover a year or two hence, or whether it's
    worth the hardcover price.
    
    --Simon
    
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885.1Warning: First of SevenSQM::MCCAFFERTYHumpty Dumpty was pushed.Mon Jun 25 1990 14:5612
    Simon,
    
     I glanced briefly at a review in the "ON BOOKs" section in the most
    recent edition of Isaac Asimoves Science Fiction Managazine and this
    was reviewed.  I only skimmed through it but one thing that stood out
    was that this was to be the first of  some 7 volumes dealing with Chung
    Kuo.  The reveiwer seemed to think the world view a little implausible
    but also said that the book was a "high velocity read" i.e he really
    flew through it. 
    
    						- John
    
885.2re: .0HKFINN::CORBOTue Jul 31 1990 17:0315
   Hi Simon,
    
      It caught my eye and I bought the book.  I really enjoyed it,
      but it was bizzare.  I was caught up by the characters.  It was a
      quick read despite its size.  It is about a future world where
      China ended up as the dominant race.

      I can bring in the book and give you a better synopsis if you
      want!!  It has been a while since I read it.

      -Tracy


      
885.3HGABSS::SZETOSimon Szeto @HGO, HongkongWed Aug 01 1990 01:498
    re .2:  Thanks, Tracy.  A recommendation was all I was looking for.
    After I wrote the topic note, I also saw a softcover version (but large
    format) in the Hong Kong airport, but I didn't buy it then because I
    was in the middle of something else.  I hope I see it again later after
    I return to the US.

    --Simon

885.4Author's name -- FYIHKFINN::CORBOWed Aug 01 1990 20:026
       FYI -- I believe the author's name is David Wingrove (or
       something close).
                               -Tracy


           
885.5The Middle KingdomKETJE::ROBBENSBig animals move slow...Mon Aug 20 1990 09:5715
    I just finished reading the book, and I have to admit that it was really
    fascinating ! The only 'problem': it's part 1 of a cycle.
    As it mentioned, the author spent four years writing volume 1, titled
    "The middle kingdom". Part 2 will be called "The broken wheel".
    My copy is a paperback, edited in 1989. So... 1989 + another 4 years
    gives me 1993. I suppose I will have forgotten the plot and certainly
    the characters.

    If you're interested, I can look for the ISBN number and all necessary
    data and post it here. Anyway, although it's a rather voluminous book,
    it read it in a couple of evenings (and nights). It's one of the best
    SF-books I've ever came upon.

    Luc.
885.6Some info.KETJE::ROBBENSBig animals move slow...Mon Aug 20 1990 14:0419
    
    Author	:	David Wingrove
    Title	:	Chung Kuo
    			Book 1
    			The Middle of Kingdom
    Edited	:	New English Library
    			Paperback Edition 1990
    			ISBN 0-450-51610-5
    Printed by	:	Hodder and Stoughton Paperbacks
    			Mill Road,
    			Dunton Green,
    			Sevenoaks,
    			Kent TN13 2YA
    			England.
    	
    Editorial Office:	47 Bedford Square,
    			London WC1B 3DP,
    			England. 			
    
885.7violence rating is fairly highKYOA::CHURCHENothing endures but changeThu Aug 23 1990 17:505
    
    I liked it overall too, but there was some pretty gross violence
    in it.  So if you don't have a strong stomach, don't read it.
      
    jc
885.8ABSZK::SZETOSimon Szeto, ISEDA/US at ZKOSat Oct 06 1990 15:3195
885.9NYTP07::LAMMon Oct 08 1990 22:167
    Though I haven't read this book, it reminds me of an article I read a
    few years ago written by Gore Vidal.  It appeared in the magazine "The 
    Nation".  In this article Vidal speculates that China with its
    tremendous resources and Japan with its technical prowess and
    aggressiveness will ally with eachother and conquer the world.  I can't
    help but think that this book, like Vidal's article, is a racist Westerner's
    nightmare or an ethnocentric Asian's dream.
885.10ABSZK::SZETOSimon Szeto, ISEDA/US at ZKOThu Oct 11 1990 01:3212
    The author is an Englishman.  He knows too much Chinese poetry and
    plays Wei Chi ("Go") to be entirely racist; in fact I called him a
    Sinophile in .8.
    
    The plot is complex (I think) and so are the characters.  Neither the
    Hung Mao nor the Han characters are all good or all bad.  If there's
    racism, it's a bit too subtle for me.  But Tsao Ch'un the dictator was
    worse than Hitler -- killed off the Japanese, the Blacks, and the
    Aborigines.  However, that was only a page or so out of 700+.
    
    --Simon
    
885.11ABSZK::SZETOSimon Szeto, ISEDA/US at ZKOSat Jan 19 1991 20:055
    Saw _Chung_Kuo_ in paperback at Booksmith today.  Look for it at your
    favorite bookstore.
    
    --Simon
    
885.12Already bought the hardcover!NYTP07::LAMSun Jan 20 1991 07:371
    NOW You Tell Me!!!!!  Right after I spent $13 for the hardcover!
885.13The Broken WheelSIMON::SZETOSimon Szeto, International Sys. Eng.Sat Oct 26 1991 20:426
    Book 2: The Broken Wheel, is out (in paperback).  Actually, some other
    reader already tipped me off, but I saw it in the bookstores on my
    afternoon at the mall and picked it up.
    
    --Simon
    
885.143rd book is out in hardcoverNYTP07::LAMSat Jan 18 1992 05:465
    The third book in this series is out called "The White Mountain."  I
    haven't even finished the first book in this series yet and I just
    bought the second book "The Broken Wheel."  So far I find this book the
    first one anyway slow and tedious to read, hopefully it will pickup
    later.
885.15moves for meSIMON::SZETOSimon Szeto, International Sys. Eng.Tue Feb 04 1992 02:2616
>    bought the second book "The Broken Wheel."  So far I find this book the
>    first one anyway slow and tedious to read, hopefully it will pickup
>    later.
    
    I haven't noticed any such problem with the first book, possible
    exception may be the first 50-100 pages or so.  "The Broken Wheel"
    moves pretty well for my pace.  Good character development for a
    diverse cast.  Sex and violence in places, as noted previously.
    
>                       -< 3rd book is out in hardcover >-
    
    I also found the second book in hardcover, discounted to $5.95.
    Problem is (and true for other authors like Eddings) I already read
    these books in paperback.
    
    --Simon