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Title:Arcana Caelestia
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Created:Thu Dec 08 1983
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811.0. "Haldeman's "Buying Time"" by EDUHCI::SHERMAN (Barnacle 1) Thu Jul 20 1989 19:34

    
    
    This is trumpeted as Joe Haldeman's first SF novel in five years.
    If you don't want to know, stop here.
    
    
        
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    To say this book is a disappointment is an understatement. Of course,
    when you've started with The Forever War, almost anything subsequent
    is bound to be disappointing. But this book isn't even a second-rate
    effort. Reads like something Haldeman was contracted to do, so he
    did it anyway.
    
    Summary: It is the late 21st century. A medical technique, called
    the Stileman Process, developed in the early 21st century, allows
    a person to be completely physically rejuvinated -- returned to
    an approximation of 20 years old. The rejuvination only lasts 10-12
    years, ensuring a loyal clientelle of "immortals." To buy the treatment
    you must turn-over to The Stileman Foundation either your total
    assets or one million British pounds, whichever is *greater.* This
    ensures that the "immortals" have to somehow generate at least one
    million pounds every 10-12 years or die a greatly accelerated and
    hideous death when the treatment wears off.
    
    Not a bad premise, but Haldeman botches it. The first half of the
    book involves the standard hero and heroine who become involved
    in a web of deceit and murder when the hero discovers that The Stileman
    Foundation is interested in domination of the solar system. The
    characters are just two-dimensional, the events contrived, and a
    lot of the writing surprisingly flat. And after a very complicated
    285 pages or so, Haldeman then suddenly and unconvincingly ties-up
    all the loose ends and has a happy ending in the last 15 pages.
    Feh!                                        
    
    There are some passages that are exciting and imaginative, but overall,
    this book puts another nail in the coffin of Haldeman's reputation.
    
    I bought it in hardcover with a gift certificate. It's priced at
    $ 18.95. If you are interested anyway, wait for the paperback.
    
    **/2 out of *****
    
    
    
    KBS
    
    
    
    
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811.1I enjoyed itAUSTIN::MACNEALBig MacFri Jul 21 1989 14:446
    I found the fast paced action and cliff hanger chapter endings to make
    a fast read.  The style is reminiscent of "Stand on Zanzibar" with the
    point of view of the narration alternating between the two protagonists
    with an occasional third person omniscient narrator and media accounts
    thrown in.  The story is not real deep, but he makes some interesting
    comments on the effect of immortality on one's views of religion.
811.2also disappointedSCOTTR::ScottRquestion realityMon Aug 28 1989 14:0016
	I agree with .0.  Pretty poor.  I found the first half of the
	book fairly interesting, but as .0 pointed out, he never
	went anywhere with it.

	It was a very quick read.

	One spoiler comment:


	He wrapped it up in the last 3 pages, not 15 :-(.

	He might as well have said "And then they killed everyone, escaped and
	lived happily ever after".

	ScottR
811.3Come on,its *only* a sci-fi novel!MAKITA::CICCONEMon Nov 27 1989 15:1215
    A quick read.  There are enough plots of this type out. "Lovers run
    all over the place to escape people who are trying to kill them."
    
    Things did happen very quickly at the end.
    
    The description and the effects of the zombie drug was interesting.
    
    But the Stillman process was a good Sci-fi device and I enjoyed JH's
    speculations on how such a process would affect individuals, society
    and the future development of the human race.
     
    Escapism with a dash of philosophy about immortality.

        
    Domenic
811.4RUBY::BOYAJIANSecretary of the StratosphereWed Nov 29 1989 06:1821
811.5I know it's only science fiction but I like it B^)MAKITA::CICCONEWed Nov 29 1989 18:1822
    re:.4
    
   Watch the flame Jerry! B^)
    
    Science fiction is a *better* form of literature because it can
    express great thoughts and ideas. After all, what other kind of
    literature can explore the possibilities of extending life they
    technological means?
     
    I was only expressing my opinion to offer an alternate opinion to
    other reviews in this topic.
    
    Sure, Haldeman missed the boat in furthur exploring possibilities
    of life extention, and the book ended *real* fast.
    He could have drawn out the ending, maybe he will write another
    book and continue, though I doubt it, Haldman is not one of those sequel
    writers.
    
    But he is a good writer and the book is good for a lazy Sunday
    afternoon read. 

     
811.6Joe Haldeman's !tang, and other storiesFORTSC::KRANTZMike KrantzSat Mar 10 1990 04:3810
    I really really enjoyed almost all of the stories in "Dealing in Futures."
    Though it wasn't the best, I especially enjoyed "!tang" (sp).  Now, I wanna
    know whadda rest o' youse !tink.

    Hey, mod, let's turn this into a Haldeman topic (title = Joseph Haldeman).
    His stories -- including a whole Niven (= 1 passel) worth of shorts --
    are certainly worth it, and I don't find Haldeman in a title elsewhere.

    -- mikeK
811.7FSDB00::BRANAMSteve Branam, DECcallserver ProjectWed Aug 21 1991 19:039
Actually, speaking of Niven, the "Buying Time" concept is reminiscent of Niven's
"corpsicle" and "organlegger" stories. I think Niven did a better job of 
studying the wide-ranging social effects of the technology, since Haldeman's
perspective was more from the rich-playboy viewpoint, where the character was
mainly concerned with his own skin, so to speak. However, I did enjoy the book.
It was one of those good James Bondian kind of adventures that rolls all over
the place. I especially liked the rather cynical bit about how the technology
could really be much more widely available but for the greed of a few; fans of 
the Illuminati consipiracies should rejoice. 8^)
811.8TECRUS::REDFORDEntropy isn't what it used to beThu Aug 22 1991 21:0510
    Speaking of organ-legging, there was a piece on "Prime-Time Live"
    a few weeks ago about the booming market in kidneys in India. 
    Apparently you can sell one of your kidneys for about $5000, a
    lot for a poor villager.  If your other one fails, tough luck. 
    It sounded like all the kidneys were used locally, but I wouldn't
    be surprised to find that there was an international market for
    them.  Organ-legging indeed!  And capital punishment is still
    used in the US...
    
    /jlr
811.9FSDB00::BRANAMWaiting for Personnel...Fri Aug 23 1991 14:2818
#%@*&! That's awful! I remember a recent story on NPR about how people were
having children to provide donor material for other family members. It was
spooky as hell. There was some concern that the donor child might be held
responsible by the rest of the family if the donation did not prove successful
(kind of like "we brought you into this world to save your brother, and you
failed"). Also there was some question whether providing spare parts was a valid
(i.e. moral) motivation for having a child. Parents who had done this said they
love the donor children as much as their other children regardless of what
might happen, but who knows how grief and despair can twist that kind of thing 
around?

I've also heard about ethical concerns over doctors suggesting that
parents provide organs for their children, the worry being that a mother will
do just about anything to save her child, even place her own life at risk,
regardless of the chances of success.

If you were poor and suffering, with no hope of improving your life, how much
of your body would you ransom to escape?
811.10The business of Medicine is always questionableATEIS::DEMERSLeo DTN:381-2245Fri Aug 23 1991 17:596
    
    
     There are some who question our current practices today.
     People pay a rather large sums of dollars for organs that
     have already been "Donated".