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741.1 | Go for it...I dare ya ;-) | POLAR::LACAILLE | Big_Dogs...Landing on my face. | Thu Feb 02 1989 19:02 | 5 |
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I read it and liked it but long ago. It was quite different.
Definatly worth a buck.
Charlie
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741.2 | ex | POLAR::LACAILLE | Big_Dogs...Landing on my face. | Thu Feb 02 1989 19:06 | 8 |
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If you search for the 'different' in your reading. This series
will definitely be a treat. Kind of a hippies view of what is 'really'
running the world. (ie Secret organizations, religious groups etc)
Charlie
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741.3 | No smoking. No spitting. | ASABET::BOYAJIAN | Klactovedesteen! | Fri Feb 03 1989 04:53 | 12 |
741.4 | thanks | CSCOA3::CONWAY_J | Chastened , but Unrepentent | Fri Feb 03 1989 14:26 | 1 |
| Thanks everyone, I'll do it (what the heck)
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741.5 | I wouldn't bother! | WECARE::BAILEY | Corporate Sleuth | Mon Feb 06 1989 18:15 | 13 |
| Just for the heck of it, I'll throw in a dissenting vote. I bought
it, started it, hated it, abandoned it and gave it away. (The friend
I gave it to loved it, so maybe that cancels out my vote!)
I thought it was too arch and worked to hard to be amusing. I also
found it hard to follow and MUCH too thick to put up with the
annoyances for that many pages!!
However, each to his own. (If you want history of Freemasonry,
there are books on that which are factual -- several show up in
various publisher's remainder catalogs regularly.)
Sherry
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741.6 | not for me | NOETIC::KOLBE | The dilettante debutante | Mon Feb 06 1989 18:45 | 4 |
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A second no vote. I read about 100 pages and just couldn't
maintain any interest in it. So it sits on my shelf taking up
space. Maybe I'll try it again someday. liesl
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741.7 | a pretty faint yes | BISTRO::WATSON | childless one-parent family | Tue Feb 07 1989 10:23 | 5 |
| I've got the first one. I enjoyed it, without being too impressed. I expect I'll
get to the second one some wet day when there's nothing else in the bookshop
that takes my fancy.
Andrew.
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741.8 | | TFH::MARSHALL | hunting the snark | Tue Feb 07 1989 20:07 | 11 |
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I read the trilogy, and the sequels, and the _Shroedinger's Cat
trilogy (which shares most of the characters but less about the
Illuminati). I thought it was great the first time, but when I tried
to read it again, just couldn't remain interested.
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741.9 | First see the Play!! | AYOV27::RPAGE | It's Green to be mean | Mon Jan 07 1991 15:03 | 18 |
| I read the trilogy after seeing the play!!
An 8 hour epic (2.00-10.00 p.m. with several breaks) put on by the
Science Fiction Theatre Company of Liverpool(now defunct I think?)
It was a superb experience and had more to say about man's need
to blindly follow leaders/beliefs than any particular organisation.
The message was clear "think for yourself" don't abdicate responsibility
to others on any grounds.
Regards
Richard
ps. The same company produced a stage version of "The Hitchhikers
Guide to the Galaxy" where the audience was moved around on
an air cushioned frame to view different sets in a circular
auditorium.
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741.10 | An achievement to be proud of | STAR::RDAVIS | Just like medicine | Fri Jan 11 1991 16:03 | 10 |
741.11 | Try it again... Hail Eris! | SOFBAS::TRINWARD | Maker of fine scrap-paper since 1949 | Wed May 22 1991 13:54 | 17 |
| I went back and re-read "Illuminatus!" for the second (or third? -- must
keep our laws straight...) time a few months ago, and it DOES hold up.
It took me a while to get back into the mindset of early-to-mid-70s,
looking-back-fondly-on-60s which I had the first(?) time, but once I did --
"it all came rushing back like the hot kiss at the end of a wet kiss", to
steal from yet another Discordian source...
The best part of it is, you don't KNOW what is "truth" and what is pure
"fabrication" (and even the authors have been surprised by what they
'predicted' in some cases...) -- and this makes you THINK, which is rare
in today's fiction... ;*]
Wilson and Shea struck a lot of nerves with this stuff, most esp. the one
that jerks the kneecap...
read it again...
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741.12 | | FDCV14::CONNELLY | Can I get there by candlelight? | Wed May 22 1991 22:52 | 5 |
| re: .11
er, that's "...the hot kiss at the end of a wet FIST"
;-)
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741.13 | | RUBY::BOYAJIAN | One of the Happy Generations | Thu May 23 1991 05:29 | 9 |
741.14 | errata, etc. | SOFBAS::TRINWARD | Maker of fine scrap-paper since 1949 | Thu May 23 1991 12:15 | 9 |
| RE: -.2
That's what it started as, before I edited half and forgot to fix the rest...
RE: -.1
Thanks for 'getting' the ref.
- Steve
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741.15 | | MXOV08::ZAJBERT | It's half past NOW | Mon Aug 26 1991 14:59 | 10 |
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I recently bought "The Earth Will Shake" which claims to be book 1 of
the "Historical Iluminatus Triloy", which I thought was THE Iluminatus Trilogy.
My question is, now that I understand they are not the same thing,
Which one comes first?
Thanks
Mauricio
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741.16 | | RUBY::BOYAJIAN | This mind intentionally left blank | Tue Aug 27 1991 03:15 | 6 |
| Well, it doesn't really make a difference, to be honest.
ILLUMINATUS! was published in 1975. THE HISTORICAL ILLUMINATUS was
published throughout the 80's.
--- jerry
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741.17 | I put down Ringworld Engineers to start this?? :') | GAMGEE::ROBR | Sailing the seas of cheeze... | Tue Oct 29 1991 01:40 | 10 |
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I'm not quite sure how this series falls into the SF catagory. It's
ore like fiction to me (with some reality sprinkled in). Anyway, I
hope this gets better. I'm about 120 pages into the first one and it's
BORING. Does it continue to have 1 paragraph about this, another about
that all the way through? And to think I spent $13 on the whole
trilogy. Also bought Eye of the World at the same time, and I can hear
it calling to me more and more... Please tell me this gets better...
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741.18 | | GAMGEE::ROBR | Sailing the seas of cheeze... | Mon Nov 04 1991 07:08 | 11 |
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Well, I'm onto the third book now, and though they do get better (do
the authors intentionally shift around the narrarator, time line and
perspective every other line with no indication? That just strikes me
as lousy writing and I see to reason for it), I find them rather
tiresome and boring. Also, I would DEFINATELY not call this series SF.
One more book.... (but now the new Amber book is out, that will have
to come first :')).
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741.19 | | REACH::WRIGHT | 8 And man saw it not | Mon Nov 04 1991 18:08 | 10 |
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Rob -
what do expect from a book(s) that the author admits to writing in a bowling
alley while tripping on acid?
grins,
clark.
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741.20 | bad to the bone | TINCUP::XAIPE::KOLBE | The Debutante Delirious | Mon Nov 04 1991 20:26 | 2 |
| Add me as another that never made it through the first book. I would have
thought acid could have inspired a more exciting story. liesl
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741.21 | oops, re: .19 | GAMGEE::ROBR | Sailing the seas of cheeze... | Tue Nov 05 1991 03:41 | 11 |
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re: 1.9
really? well there were two authors, or maybe he just thought he was
two people :'). it was just that i was given the impression that these
were really classic books. Right up there with Dhalgren so far :').
I've never been sorry for reading any book though, there are always
SOME reedeming qualities... I'll figure out something to like :').
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741.22 | | REACH::WRIGHT | 8 And man saw it not | Tue Nov 05 1991 15:53 | 14 |
| Rob
They are classic books, just not in the sense you are thinking.
They are wonderful examples of conspiracy theory taken to its logical
conclusions, and at the same time they ridicule every institution there
is (higher ed, government, organized religion, and a few others)
If you can make it thru them, it will change how you look at alot of
different things.
Hail Eris.
clark.
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741.23 | | RANGER::CANNOY | True initiation never ends. | Tue Nov 05 1991 16:26 | 19 |
| Rob, in a lot of ways these are not fiction to be read as fiction but
books geared to offer a paradigm shift to the brain, or as in a classic
Comedy sketch, a "Boot to the head".
Also once of the reasons you may have trouble reading them is that
about 1/3 of the original books was edited out by the original
publishers. This material later became the Universe Next Door trilogy.
RAW is, like Timothy Leary, mostly not out to entertain but to offer
another reality tunnel, to expand the mind, to create reality shifts. I
enjoy his stuff imensely, but know its not comfortable to everyone.
As for the style, stream of consciousness-like, don't ever try to read
Joyces' Ulysses (from which RAW occassionaly lifts things.) or anything
by William S. Burroughs. :-)
I reread these ever few years or so, for the clarity and insight that I
get from them, but I can understand they might not have the same effect
on everyone.
Tamzen
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741.24 | | GAMGEE::ROBR | Sailing the seas of cheeze... | Wed Nov 06 1991 09:59 | 15 |
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No, I had noticed that these are thinking books. They do make me do
that (which was why I made the Dhalgren comparrison, that was another
one like that), but I don't find them entertaining. But as thinking
books, I find when I am done, that I am glad I read them because, as
you said, they change the way I look at things. I guess I just wasn't
expecting this :'). I think I will pass on that other trilogy though
:'). I'll make that decision when I get to the end of the third book.
Thanks everybody for all the insight behind the books and the authors
though, that makes reading these things easier and more interesting
when you know something of the background. Had this conversation
happened with someone else, and I stumbled across it, I would have
stayed away from this series, but in a way, I'm kind of glad I didn't.
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741.25 | "Thinking books"? | ESGWST::RDAVIS | Available Ferguson | Wed Nov 06 1991 15:10 | 9 |
| I thought they were goofy romps, myself. Perfect teenage reading (with
the cheesy jokes and effortless sex and all), but pretty dull the
second time around.
If you don't find 'em amusing, I wouldn't read 'em. There are more
concise ways to check out the attractions in the Conspiracy Theory
Amusement Park, some written by Mr. Wilson himself.
Ray (heap big "Dhalgren" fan)
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741.26 | | SDSVAX::SWEENEY | Truth, Justice, and Flames | Sun Nov 10 1991 21:27 | 4 |
| If you are a fan of this series you might like Foucault's Pendulum by
Umberto Eco, the author of The Name of The Rose.
FP is a study of conspiracy theories.
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741.27 | The Operative Word is "Might" | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | len, EMA, LKG1-2/W10 | Mon Nov 11 1991 12:31 | 11 |
| But be forewarned, FP is considerably, uh, drier. I got maybe a
hundred pages into FP and then gave up in something approximating
boredom; "something approximating" because while being intellectually
interesting the book just wasn't "engaging". Maybe I should save it
for a (loooong) airplane flight...
I started Illuminatus based on the discussion in this note, and it
strikes me as considerably more "off the wall" than FP.
len.
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741.28 | errr... except, not accept :') duh! | GAMGEE::ROBR | Sailing the seas of cheeze... | Tue Nov 12 1991 02:58 | 15 |
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Well, I FINALLY finished these things. Accept the 70 pages of
appendicies. At that point I had really had enough. I'm just glad
they are over with :'). I was paranoid for about the next two days
though (and am now reading Eye of the World which has lots of 5 laws
and the serpent eating its own tail... rather strange coincidence...
anyway) :'). I found myself having to go over and reread a few pages
in EotW because my mind was in a skimming frame after 800 pages of Ill.
and wasn't absorbing anything. Right now though, Sesame street's
Monster at the End of this Book would be a Pulitzer prise winner in my
mind :').
Maybe I'm being a bit harsh ... :')
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741.29 | absolute rubbish ! | ARRODS::WHITAKER | The man from Hull | Tue Jan 14 1992 17:14 | 11 |
| Hi,
I know its a bit late but I'd just like to add my comments...
I got about half way through the first book and gave up. I then gave
all three books to my friend. He got to about the same point in the
first book and threw all three away. Apparently he got more satisfaction
from throwing them away than reading them.
Andy
P.S. I'm just dissapointed I didn't get to throw them away
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741.30 | A vote "for" | CTHULU::YERAZUNIS | Welcome to Addendia, Mr. Lee. | Wed Jan 15 1992 11:43 | 19 |
| I read them. I liked them... liked them enough to buy some other stuff
by Robert Anton Wilson, like his play "Wilhelm Reich in Hell" (great
play! Someday, I wanna do that play).
I must admit that at times, Illuminatus! can seem shallow, boring, or
just not "engaging". Trust me, there is juicy meat in there underneath
the trivialized sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll.
(maybe you just had to be there. :-) )
One of the review blurbs on the back of a non-fiction book by RAW says
something like
"This man is either a genius or Jesus"
-The New York Times.
Well, I don't *think* he's jesus. He very likely _is_ a genius.
-Bill
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