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| 729.1 | Revised pointer to STAR_TREK conference | CSC32::VICKREY | Waiting for Version Six | Fri Dec 30 1988 18:51 | 8 |
| William Shatner and Harve Bennett are scheduled guests at
StarFest '89 in Denver March 31 - April 2. I will post
details on that convention when I get them. They will almost
certainly be doing some pre-publicity (as Nimoy did for ST IV
2 years ago). This is also probably being discussed in the
Star Trek conference at NAC::STAR_TREK (kp7 to select, etc).
Susan
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| 729.2 | | ASABET::BOYAJIAN | Millrat in training | Sat Dec 31 1988 04:47 | 7 |
| There's also a Creation Con in Boston next weekend (I think),
and I think James Doohan will be there. At any rate, there
should be *some* publicity stuff on the film there.
My WAG for a release date would be sometime this summer.
--- jerry
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| 729.3 | June | CIMAMT::POWELL | Caught in slow motion | Sat Dec 31 1988 14:41 | 7 |
| > Didn't catch the release date, and they're not telling about
> the plot.
The Boston Glob said that it is scheduled to be released June '89.
Willy
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| 729.4 | the final frontier? | 16300::NOLL | $ ^T ^Z ^C ^Y | Tue Jan 10 1989 17:40 | 2 |
| any connection between the Title of STV "the final frontier" and
the book of the same name )about Kirk's father?
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| 729.5 | RE 729.4 | MTWAIN::KLAES | No guts, no Galaxy... | Thu Jan 12 1989 12:46 | 10 |
| No. The novelization for ST-5 will come out around the time
the film does, probably in June.
For those wondering, Diane Carey wrote FINAL FRONTIER, about
James T. Kirk's father's mission aboard the then (or is it will
be?) newly-built U.S.S. ENTERPRISE. A very good book which I highly
recommend, and I usually don't care for most ST novels.
Larry
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| 729.6 | July 18th, 1989 | FDCV06::ARVIDSON | Heroes in a half-shell! | Thu Jan 12 1989 15:35 | 4 |
| From the Richard Arnold at the Con the release date is tentativly(SP)
July 18th, 1989.
Dan
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| 729.8 | Barf-o-matic! | SKETCH::GROSS | Human Factors and much, much more. | Fri Jan 13 1989 19:41 | 6 |
| I'm not an enquiring mind, so I didn't know.
[Oh supreme being, if you exist, please make this plot description
be as realistic as "Woman gets hair cut by Elvis on a UFO"!]
Merryl
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| 729.9 | | ASABET::BOYAJIAN | Oil is the work of the Diesel himself | Sat Jan 14 1989 04:35 | 4 |
| I agree. The plot sounds so ghastly that they're right -- it
probably *will* be the biggest hit of the film series.
--- jerry
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| 729.10 | | FOOZLE::BALS | Please note new email address | Mon Jan 16 1989 11:34 | 20 |
| RE: .7 <Form-feed inserted to hide a spoiler>
> In the next exciting "Star Trek" movie Mr. Spock's half
> brother hijacks the starship Enterprise and forces Captain Kirk
> and his crewto search the outer reaches of space for heaven.....
> and God Himself!
The Enquirer notwithstanding, I'd take this with a grain of salt.
I even think I know where they got the "information." It sounds
suspiciously like the unproduced treatment Harlan Ellison was
commissioned to do back when the producers were putting together
STAR TREK I. If memory serves, Ellison said something to the effect
that his proposed script dealt with a mission to the "barrier across the
Galaxy." The Enterprise was able to break through, only to find
God (or a reasonable facsimile). "And?" the interview asked.
"And, they *kill* him," Ellison said.
Fred
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| 729.11 | Not to worry... | AKOV13::MCGARGHAN | Gentle Reader | Mon Jan 16 1989 12:19 | 11 |
| I asked my friend who went to the Creation Con in Boston during
the January 7th weekend, and she said that the Enquirer plot was
worth its weight in air. Jimmy Doohan and others talked a bit about
the upcoming movie, and reassured everyone that this plot had little
to do with the movie they'd been filming, especially the bit about
Spock's half-brother.
For what it's worth,
Kim
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| 729.12 | ENQUIRER SNEAK PEAK | SCOMAN::WILLIS | | Mon Jan 16 1989 12:28 | 90 |
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The following is from The ENQUIRER, take at that value.
Reprinted without perrmission. Contains many spoilers
so beware.The title is as follows : SNEAK PREVIEW OF THE
NEW 'STAR TREK ' MOVIE
In the next exciting "Star Trek" movie Mr. Spock's half
brother hijacks the starship Enterprise and forces Captain Kirk
and his crewto search the outer reaches of space for heaven.....
and God Himself!
The plot of "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier," due for
release next summer, has been a closely guarded secret --- but
the ENQUIRER has penertrated the wall of secrecy to bring its
readers the details of the science-fiction thriller. For this
film, William Shatner wore three hats--- he not only stars once
more as couragous Captain James T. Kirk,but he also directed
the movie and helped write the action-packed screenplay.
The adventure begins when Kirk and his crew are ordered
to fly to planet Nimbus III, where a group of rrebels have taken
over and are holding three interplanetary diplomats as hostages.
But during the rescue operation, kirk and his crew are
captured by the pointy-eared rebel leader Sybok.
Kirk attacks Sybok, Knocking his gun away. Mr Spock,
played by Leonard Nimoy, grabs the gun, points, it at Sybok and
order him to surrender----but cannotbring himself to pull the
trigger. Spock then reveals that Sybok, played by Laurence
Luckinbill, is his half brother.
Sybok hijacks the starship and takes the crew on their
most incredible journey ever---- beyond a giant cluster of
stars called the Great Barrier, in search of heaven! They cross
the barrier, land on a fantastic planet and are greeted by a
powerful, blinding-bright energy force.
When an awestruck crewmember asks the force if it is
god, it takes on many godlike forms that man has worshiped
through the years.
But When a skeptical Kirk continues to ask questions,
the "god" suddenly blasts him with a bolt of energy, injuring
him. Sybok, realizing the being is not God, sacrifices himself
by attacking the force. Meanwhile Kirk orders the starship
Enterprise to open fire on the evilbeing--- and a photon torpedo
obliterates it, killing Sybok at the same time.
Horrifying "rock creatures" on the planet attack Kirk and
his pals, but in an exciting climax they manage to escape.
Throughout the the movie, space heroes are repeatedly
threatened and attacked by their old enemies the Klingons.
And in an early scene, Kirk plummmets off a sheer rock
face, but is saved from certain death by Spock --- wearing gravity
boots ---who zips through the air and catches Kirk before he
splatters on the rocks below.
Shooting the movie, Which cost about $30 million to make,
was completed in December.(1988) The film is scheduled to be
released in June.(1989)
Other members of the cast include DeForest Kelly as Dr.
Leonard "Bones" McCoy, James Doohan as Scotty, George Takei as
Hikaru Sulu, Walter Koenig as Pavel Chekov and Nichelle Nichols
as Lt. Uhura.
"Everyone Had a ball working on this film, and it shows in
their performances" declared a "Star Trek" insider.
"Each person involved in the film is convinced that this
is going to be the biggest 'Trek' movie ever.
"This film marks a return to the action plots that the TV
version of 'Star Trek' made so famous.
"Its a great old-fashoned science-fiction adventure movie,
complete with aliens, frontier planets all-powerful beings.
"This is a movie that everybody--- even if they're not
'Star Trek' fans--- will be able to enjoy.
"There are heros to cheer for and villains to boo and lots
of action. It's going to be a monster hit."
This article was written by JEFF HOLT in the January 17th ENQUIRER
Also with the article the was a cast photo with the following:
"TOASTING 'Star Trek V: The Final Frontier' Just days before
Nimoy's wedding are cast members (left to right) James (Scotty)
Doohan, DeForest (McCoy) Kelley, Walter (Chekov) Koenig,William
(Kirk) Shatner, Leonard (Spock) Nimoy and Nichelle (Uhura) Nichols.
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| 729.13 | Spock on Wogan | HAGGIS::IRVINE | Bob Irvine .... (7)854-3132 | Thu Jan 19 1989 10:08 | 11 |
| Any one in the UK see Wogan last night 18 th Jan 1988.
Leonard Nimoy was introduced as "Lemon Neemoy".
He took it very well. If it had been me....
I would probably punched him out there and then.
Bob.
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| 729.14 | Yeah | SED750::PARKER | Don't look at me in that tone of voice. | Fri Jan 20 1989 09:52 | 3 |
| RE: -1
Yup, although I missed that bit.
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| 729.15 | | STRATA::RUDMAN | The Posthumous Noter | Fri Jan 20 1989 15:38 | 16 |
| I caught the ET spot wherein Shatnerrelated how much fun he had
directing it. He was asked about directing Nimoy; he said Nimoy
saw his chance for "directorial revenge" and took it. Shatner
said he directed it in the style he used for T.J.HOOKER; all that
actoin & excitement. Well, T.J. *did* make syndication...
The impression I got from the clip was an "unknown force" had grabbed
them and headed for the edge of the galaxy.
I believe they did mention it's to be released this summer.
Oh, yes: he was worried as to how the public would accept V. I
figure they'll more than break even on the first-pass Trekkies
alone.
Don
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| 729.16 | WHAT A SAD JOKE! | ACE::CROHAN | | Sat Jun 10 1989 19:32 | 8 |
| Last night I stood inline to watch star trek V..
and I can only say one thing WHAT A DISAPOINTMENT!
I think they turned it into a JOKE..
I suppose the next generation is IN and capt. KIRK is out..HOW SAD!
REGARDS
FROM ALBUQUERQUE, THE FINAL FRONTIER
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| 729.17 | | PFLOYD::ROTHBERG | I awoke on impact ... | Sun Jun 11 1989 14:56 | 7 |
|
It WAS pretty pathetic ...
- Rob who had to say something, but the ST
conference has been unavailable since Friday
night -
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| 729.18 | | TCC::HEFFEL | Aliens made me write this. | Sun Jun 11 1989 17:54 | 29 |
| May I request that if you have an opinion about the movie that
you back it up with actual things that you did or did not like?
Frankly, I find "hit and run" replies like "it was the best
thing since sliced bread!" or "It sucked wind!" to be worthless.
Unlike other noters here, I didn't find it that horrible of
a disappointment. I went expecting a light enjoyable movie and
that's what I got. In fact, I was rather pleased because I fully
expected Shatner to ruin it completely.
Things that I liked about the movie were: the continuation of
the humor; getting to see Uhura do something other than "Hailing
frequencies open"; certain techincal details like Wow! did they
do a good job casting someone as young Sarek. Things that I didn't
like were: the some of the special effects were pretty cheesy; must
we meet a demi-god, super powerful being, someone who thinks he's
God *every* time we take a voyage?!
In brief, I didn't care much for the plot, but the "feel"
(characterization and humor and so on) was right.
I'd give it a 3 out of 5 stars. Better than average but not
super wonderful. (Just for comparison I'd give ST:TMP about 1 to
1 1/2 stars and I'd give ST:TWOK 4 1/2.)
tlh
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| 729.19 | Potential Spoiler City on ST-5 | RENOIR::KLAES | N = R*fgfpneflfifaL | Sun Jun 11 1989 19:11 | 21 |
| Though I think I should probably have done otherwise, I liked ST-5.
The plot was nothing new, the inconsistencies are rampant, and some of
the humor was forced, but I still liked it, if nothing else because I
like the original cast so much. I also admire the 1701-A ENTERPRISE.
I will also say that though it was nice to see the ST "formula" so
well used in this film, I don't want to see Paramount, Roddenberry,
Shatner, etc., stay "safe" forever, for that will be just as bad as
going too far away from the basics of ST; nor do I wish to see the
original cast/crew keep going with new ST films until they're all in
wheelchairs and able to do a remake of "The Deadly Years" without a
makeup job.
One thing to point out: The center of the Milky Way Galaxy was
explored by the ENTERPRISE in the animated episode "The Magicks of
Megas-Tu", and there was no "Great Barrier" (that's on the rim of
the galaxy) in that episode, though spacetime physics as we know them
did not exist there. No doubt the animated episode was either ignored
and/or forgotten.
Larry
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| 729.20 | | PFLOYD::ROTHBERG | I awoke on impact ... | Mon Jun 12 1989 04:14 | 12 |
|
Re: .18
My hit and run statement was just thrown in
quickly 'cause I was waiting to put my
explanation in the ST conference. I just felt
like getting it out of my system :`).
Sorry ...
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| 729.21 | It was okay.... | SELL::BNELSON | Music is the Dr. (of my soul) | Mon Jun 12 1989 19:07 | 26 |
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I thought it would have been an enjoyable movie if it had been any-
thing but Star Trek. I thought there was *far* too much humour, much like
what we saw in previous two movies. I feel they've turned ST into a mainstream
type sit-com. This makes it too predictable, and too much like too many other
movies. That's one of the things I really enjoyed about ST -- it was SO dif-
ferent.
Every time I thought they were going to get serious, I was disappointed!
I thought Sybok was excellent, and some of the new ideas for the movie were
good, but the scenes on Earth were strange somehow. Like sorta out of place.
Also, I felt the plot was too piecemeal; it didn't really *flow* the way I
thought it should.
For me, the only ST movie there ever was was "The Wrath of Khan". It
was all first-rate: acting (I like Ricardo Montalban), story, plot, etc. It's
the only one that really seemed to personify what ST was all about. It's okay
to have humor here and there, but let's not overdo it!
<Sigh>. They just don't make'em like they used to!
Brian
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| 729.22 | ST II On the Air Next Sunday | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | | Mon Jun 12 1989 19:52 | 5 |
| Just as an aside, "The Wrath of Khan" will be broadcast on network
TV next Sunday evening.
len.
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| 729.23 | The Penultimate Frontier | BUFFER::SOWEN | Oh, any name- Algernon- for example. | Tue Jun 13 1989 14:42 | 20 |
| re .21 and anything else
I totally agree with this person's assessment of the last two movies,
and wholeheartedly agree that II was by far the best, with III in some
running. (I kept picturing Jim Ignatowski leading the Klingons and
getting strange visual images in my mind as a result....)
Anyway, V was entertaining, but probably not worth another $6 from this
movie-goer. The only two redeeming notes were:
1) McCoy to Kirk: "You piss me off, Jim."
2) The people sitting three rows behind me: (spoken with thick inner
city accent) "That wa'nt no frontier! I wan't some *mo'* frontier!"
A good summary of the movie, I'd say. As far as final frontiers go,
I'd be more likely to have named this movie "Star Trek V: The
Penultimate Frontier" myself.
-- kms :'(
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| 729.24 | My 2 cents | TADSKI::WAINE | Linda | Tue Jun 13 1989 16:32 | 19 |
|
I didn't care for it much. I thought it had a few good ideas, but
that the movie didn't "flow". It was very dis-jointed. I think
that Shatner is a lousy director (give me Nimoy anytime!). I chuckled
a couple of times, but did not find the movie overly humorous.
I also think it got caught up in preaching at the expense of the
fun. My rating scale, 5 stars - excellent, no stars - movie's
only merit was a tax-write-off for the producers:
ST1:TMP - **
ST2:TWOK - *** & 1/2
ST3:TSFS - *** & 1/2
ST4:TVH - **** & 1/2 <- The best ST film so far
ST5:TFF - ** & 1/2
I was very disappointed with Star Trek V, but I did enjoy parts
of it...
Linda
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| 729.26 | Different squids for different kids | RUBY::BOYAJIAN | Protect! Serve! Run Away! | Wed Jun 14 1989 07:03 | 14 |
| re:.24
That's funny, *my* rating scale (relative to each other -- not
relative to other movies -- best of the series gets 5 stars,
worst gets 1 star) for the series would be:
ST I ***
ST I.5 **** (the expanded version)
ST II *****
ST III **
ST IV *
ST V haven't seen yet
--- jerry
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| 729.27 | Revised pointer to MOVIES conference | STRATA::RUDMAN | Reality,n. The nucleus of a vacuum. | Wed Jun 14 1989 12:55 | 91 |
| The rewrite:
==========================================================================
Note 729.25 Star Trek V 25 of 26
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It appears your "average" DEC noter movie-goer is a bit more critical.
Less enthusiasm was shown by noters in the BOMBE::MOVIES file, and it
appears they go into a bit more detail. I suggest you slip over there
& check it out. Note # = 2035.
Don
P.S. I gave myself permission to cross-post my reply (after a lenghty
argument--needless to say *I* won), which (after re-reading it)
sounds worse than the feeling the movie actually gave me. Like
other flawed movies & shows, I try to ignore the inconsistancies
as best I can to keep on track. My mental images of the Star Trek
universe the the crew of the Enterprise were shaken that night,
and not for the positive.
Don
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Note 2035.37 Star Trek V 37 of 38
-< "I liked him better *before* he died." >-
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Not much to add to the prev. replies.
I went to the late show on Friday, and was surprised to see a poor
turnout for an ST opening night.
It was fun seeing the crew again, but it was tough overlooking the
weak points. And, unfortunately, there were many. In addition
to those prev. mentioned, I thought it odd 5 of the crew went to
the same locale for leave, even odder Spock didn't go home.
And they looked *old*.
I thought it weak to suggest Kirk was the only experienced captain
available even 'tho there were other Federation starships closer
to the Neutral Zone. They made it sound like captains now get
posted right out of the academy. Better they should have been
on their shakedown cruise near the Zone when the call came.
(Yes, I know, Kirk's fall would have to be moved to a different
local--better yet a different movie.)
That was the cleanest "backwater" bar I've ever seen in an SF movie.
More after the spoiler <FF> (..in case anyone cares; you should have
seen it by now anyway ;-))
The situation did not call for an attack on horseback (or the fan
dance--someone needs to diet...), those "jet boots" would have been
much quicker, tranporters notwithstanding.
Instead of Spock not being able to shoot Sybok he could have pinched
him. Imagine how much better the scene would have went in they
had simultaneously pinched each other into unconciousness? At
least Spock should have tried a forward butt stroke.
When they spoke about the barrier I thought I'd dozed off & they
had headed the other way. Besides, there shouldn't be a planet
(did anyone see a SUN?) at the center. Yes. I know, God put it
there and surrounded it with a impenetrable barrier the Enterprise
penetrated.
And once again movement was two-dimensional. (Like the acting?)
There's a few more nits. My point is I'm reminded of the critiques
of the old TV episodes. The movie felt like there was a deadline
and loose ends could not be tied up in time for distribution.
It must have been embarrassing for Shatner & Roddenberry if they
sat through the finished product.
On the positive side, there were some humorous moments, a lot of
nostalgia (maybe too much?), the opening was good, and it was great
seeing more of the interior of the Enterprise, but if the flic
hadn't been ST some of the good stuff wouldn't have been so good.
Hate to say it, but you may as well wait for STV to hit the video
stores & save some bucks. You won't miss much by the reduction
from wide screen to TV screen, either.
I'm afraid this one's for die-hard trekkies only. (It may be
interesting to see how it is reviewed in the Trek file...)
Don
P.S. And now I know why Scott stays aboard ship during shore
leave. That didn't set right, either; there was too much
out-of-character development going on to suit me.
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| 729.28 | Just curious :-) | POLAR::LACAILLE | There's a madness to my method | Wed Jun 14 1989 17:41 | 11 |
| > < Note 729.26 by RUBY::BOYAJIAN "Protect! Serve! Run Away!" >
> -< Different squids for different kids >-
>
> ST IV *
Why do you give this one such a low rating Jerry? I actually
liked this one the best.
Charlie
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| 729.29 | Out of 5 stars ... | PFLOYD::ROTHBERG | Get the priest as well... | Wed Jun 14 1989 19:55 | 11 |
|
Just to throw in my ratings...
ST:TMP **
ST:TWOK *****
ST:TSFS ****
ST:TVH ***
ST:TFF **1/2
- Rob -
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| 729.30 | not so good | COMET::TIMPSON | I C. Therefore I am. | Wed Jun 14 1989 20:01 | 14 |
| ST:TMP **1/2
ST:TWOK *****
ST:TSFS ****
ST:TVH ***
ST:TFF ** only because is was Star Trek
I wasn't going to comment on this film, but to put it bluntly:
GAG!
Steve
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| 729.31 | | RUBY::BOYAJIAN | Protect! Serve! Run Away! | Thu Jun 15 1989 07:45 | 20 |
| re:.28 (ST IV)
Because it seemed to me to be empty fluff, humor without substance.
It had its moments, but not enough of them.
Oddly enough, I did buy a copy of it on videotape, simply to have
the entire movie series on tape (and it wasn't that expensive).
However, when I sat down to watch it -- I'd only seen the film
once in the theater -- I got about half-way through it before
stopping it out of boredom. Haven't watched it since.
I at least got a few viewings out of ST III (most of my objections
to that one are philosophical rather than artistic).
As for ST V (that *is* what this topic is about), I have to
schedule some convenient time to go see it in 70mm. I figure that
I'll probably only want to see it once, and so I might as well
go all the way.
--- jerry
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| 729.32 | Revised pointer to MOVIES conference | RUBY::BOYAJIAN | Protect! Serve! Run Away! | Mon Jun 19 1989 07:19 | 9 |
| It was so awful...
Well, it surprised me, because it managed to be worse than I
possibly could've imagined it to be. Those interested in a fuller
explanation (though I can't say I go into great detail) are
invited to read BOMBE::MOVIES Note 2035.43; I don't feel like
repeating it here.
--- jerry
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