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Title:Arcana Caelestia
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Created:Thu Dec 08 1983
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1300
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698.0. "John Crowley" by CHEFS::BARK () Thu Sep 22 1988 13:36

    I have searched by both title and keyword for any mention of John
    Crowley and drawn a blank.  Considering that he is one of the finest
    living writers of SF/Fantasy this seems to me an outrageous oversight.
    
    Surely somebody out there reads Crowley.  If you do, I have two
    questions:  What do you think of his work?  Do you know
    of any of his short fiction in addition to the following:
    
    "Novelty" (In Interzone & a forthcoming collection of the same title)
    "Snow" (Omni)
    "Where Spirits Gat Them Home" (In one of Charles Grant's "Shadows"
    collections.
                                 
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698.1What about the novels ?PANIC::DEMBINAFestoons of white gooThu Sep 22 1988 15:5215
It's funny I just did a DIR/TITLE="Aegypt" looking for mention of his latest.

I have read "The Deep" and "Little,Big" and can only agree that this 
craftsman has been sadly neglected by this confrerence whereas other far less 
deserving authors (I won't encourage flame attacks by mentioning their names 
but several notes have replies numbering 50+) are getting more attention than 
their meagre talents deserve.

John Crowley has the ideas AND the ability to communicate them to the reader 
via VERY believable characters.

That's my bit done,

Paul
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698.2Silence =/= ignoranceAKOV11::BOYAJIANThat was Zen; this is DaoThu Sep 22 1988 18:0412
    re:.0
    
    I'll check on other short stories.
    
    re:.1
    
    Sometimes, people just don't have anything to say. I've read most
    of Crowley's novels (haven't found the time to work in AEGYPT yet),
    and have loved all of them, but I just haven't been moved to write
    about them.
    
    --- jerry
698.3how do writers manage to be so well-read?PSI::CONNELLYDesperately seeking snoozin'Fri Sep 23 1988 02:5911
Hmmn...the scary thing is that he may just be hitting his stride!
I read _The Deep_ and _Engine Summer_, but they didn't make a big
impression on me (other than as being Different).

_Little, Big_ really bowled me over though.  I'm reading _Aegypt_
now but the darn book is overdue at the library and I only have
time for about a chapter a night.  My one worry with both of them
is that I may be too much of a literary ignoramus to catch all the
allusions.
							paul
698.4That does ring a bellPOLAR::LACAILLEIgnorance-curable,Stupidity-foreverTue Dec 20 1988 16:0019
    
    	I'm sitting here at home, sick, trying to catch up on three
    months of neglected noting. Reading through, as fast as possible,
    these notes, my eye catches Little,Big. I think yes that does ring
    a bell. Was it that movie...no no that was something else about
    the taming of the west....hmmm...then I remember.
    
    	I walk over to my night stand and reach under a pile of outdated
    periodicals and voila! I carefully dust off more than a years worth of
    dust and sure enough Little,Big...
    
    	A great story, but for some reason I never finished it. Maybe
    because I had the feeling that he wrote the first part of the book,
    got sick of it and waited a while (years), to finish it. So what the
    hell I thought might as well read it the same way ;-)
    
    	Anyway I think I will finish it now....good book certainly.
    
    Charlie
698.5ReviewsVERGA::KLAESQuo vadimus?Tue Nov 02 1993 15:51137
Article: 419
From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.reviews
Subject: REPOST: Belated Reviews PS#20: John Crowley
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: 01 Nov 93 23:58:29 GMT
 
		Belated Reviews PS#20:  John Crowley
 
I could probably save myself some effort by getting a rubber stamp with
the phrase "not to all tastes" (or, this being an electronic medium, by
binding that phrase to a function key).  John Crowley is one of the best
writers in the genre -- but his books F2^H^H will not be to all tastes.
Crowley will appeal to readers who (occasionally) appreciate beautifully
crafted writing that doesn't have much of a plot.  (It would probably be
more fair to say that the books unfold with very little action -- which,
for many readers, comes to much the same thing.)
 
"Little, Big" (****) is a relatively recent fantasy; Crowley's only been
writing sf/f for a couple of decades.  I'm at a loss as to how one would
classify it further.  About half the story takes place in New York City
(it's never called New York, just "the City"), but it's not a recognizable
variant of "urban fantasy".  Most of the rest takes place at Edgewood
(none of the names in the book are chosen arbitrarily), a surpassingly
complicated house which was built around the turn of the century, by an
architect whose wife could see...call them fairies. 
 
Faerie (it's never called that) looms in the background, through most of
the novel.  It is the Faerie of English tradition -- capricious, mischievous,
untrustworthy, with odd powers and odd vulnerabilities -- and it is in
decline.  Most of what happens in "Little, Big" stems from a complex,
long-term Faerie scheme to rejuvenate the old...call them archetypes.
 
We are introduced to Edgewood -- and to the extended family that still lives
there -- through Smoky Barnable, who marries a daughter of that family (the
architect's great-granddaughter), and has to adjust to living among people
who take a subtle occult presence in their lives for granted.  (Not direct
occult intervention, though there's some of that, so much as an unspoken
conviction that there is a Tale being worked out, that gives their lives
meaning.  It drives Smoky crazy, sometimes.)
 
Years pass, and we near the end of the century.  Smoky's son Auberon
leaves Edgewood for the City, but it's a darker city than the one Smoky
knew.  The country is trapped in a depression, and a new demagogue has
appeared who has the potential to tear it apart.  Services fail, things
fall apart.  (We don't see much of the country's troubles.  They're a
background to the Tale.)  Against this background, Auberon meets, and
falls in love, with Sylvie, who one day disappears, setting the stage for
the final act of the Tale. 
 
"Little, Big" is a waste of time, if you're looking for good mind candy,
but if you sometimes like to savor good writing, it's anything but.  It's
a longish book (over six hunded pages, in paperback), but not a page is
wasted.  Every apparent digression and detour -- besides being worth
reading in and of itself -- turns out to have its purpose.  And as the
tale proceeds, our understanding of Faerie improves, until we can see why
its rejuvenation required...call it a Tale.
 
(Utterly Irrelevant Digression:  I note, from the blurb about the author, 
that Crowley wrote for tv at one point.  This experience probably informed 
some of the details that went into Auberon's stint at writing for a soap 
opera.  Something of which Crowley was aware, which Heinlein may not have 
considered, is that you might have a problem killing off the Galactic 
Overlord, if the actor playing the Galactic Overlord has a long-term contract.)
 
"Engine Summer" (***+) is post-holocaust sf, albeit very soft sf.  A
thousand years have passed since the Storm brought down our civilization,
and "Engine Summer" introduces us to the world that has evolved since.
There are the Truthful Speakers of Little Bellaire -- whom outsiders call
warren dwellers.  (The original Bellaire was a co-op whose inhabitants
turned inwards before the Storm, and stayed together when it struck.)
 
The narrator, Rush That Speaks, is born to the Truthful Speakers, and the
story of his childhood introduces us to Little Bellaire.  It's a complex
society -- the fifty and more pages in which it is introduced don't lend
themselves to compression into a two-line caricature, as is so often the
case with post-holocaust novels -- and Truthful Speaking is its soul.
Beyond literal truth, this involves successful communication.  Beyond that
is having something to communicate:  Those whose tales have a lasting
resonance are known as Saints.  Rush That Speaks dreams of being a Saint,
but he would settle for being happy with Once A Day. 
 
There are the traders, known as Dr. Boots List.  Although they deal in
many commodities, they are particularly important for being the sole
suppliers of the Four Pots -- also called "medicine's daughters" -- four
drugs which humanity developed before the Storm.  For reasons of her own,
Once A Day leaves with a party of traders.  Seeking his lost love, Rush
eventually makes his way to their dwelling place -- where they coexist
with large cats, and have some remarkably catlike characteristics themselves.
 
There are others in this peaceful future world.  There are scavengers,
still mining the old cities.  (The Storm is placed far enough in our
future that what was built to last, lasts.)  There are hermits -- Rush
lives with one for a while, using one of medicine's daughters to semi-
hibernate through the winter.  There is a flying city, which still retains
its old technology, where Rush achieves a Sainthood he never expected.
 
"Engine Summer" isn't as good as "Little, Big", but if you haven't read
anything by Crowley, you'd probably do better to read it first:  It's
shorter and easier, and if you don't like it, you probably won't like
"Little, Big", either.  (Conversely, if you do like it, you may well like
"Little, Big" better.)  "Engine Summer" isn't a story, so much as a
picture -- a picture of humanity in a prolonged Indian Summer between the
failed civilization of the past and whatever it will become in the future. 
 
"Little, Big" and "Engine Summer" are special.  They're F4^H^H not going
to be to all tastes, but if you like good literary writing that can
support its own weight without *trading* on its being literary, you'll
probably find them pleasures to read.  Among Crowley's other books,
"Beasts" (***) is a good early work, set in a near-future world in which
Leos (genetically engineered chimerae -- particularly human/lion hybrids)
are struggling for legal status and survival.  I didn't think much of his
more recent "Aegypt" (*+).
 
%A  Crowley, John
%T  Little, Big
%T  Engine Summer
 
=============================================================================
 
The postscripts to Belated Reviews cover authors of earlier decades who
didn't fit into the original format -- whether because the author seemed
an inappropriate subject, or because I was unfamiliar with too much of the
author's work, or whatever -- or sometimes just isolated works of such
authors.  The emphasis will continue to be on guiding newer readers
towards books or authors worth trying out, rather than on discussing them
comprehensively or in depth.  I'll retain the rating scheme of ****
(recommended), *** (an old favorite that hasn't aged well), ** (a solid
lesser work), and * (nothing special). 
 
-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com
 
Roses red and violets blew
  and all the sweetest flowres that in the forrest grew -- Edmund Spenser

698.6torture that sentenceAUSSIE::GARSONHotel Garson: No VacanciesThu Apr 07 1994 03:006
re .5
    
>"Little, Big" is a waste of time, if you're looking for good mind candy,
>but if you sometimes like to savor good writing, it's anything but.
    
    Anything but what? Good mind candy or good writing?
698.7Haven't read it, ...yetBOBERT::BELLThu Apr 07 1994 13:336
Re: .6

Just by reading his sentence I'd say he's saying that it's anything but mind
candy.

Shane
698.8 IMHO of courseQUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyFri Apr 08 1994 20:324
Given the rest of the paragraph, and my own reading of Little, Big, I'd
say the intent was that it is anything but mind candy.  It's good writing.

PeterT