Conference noted::sf

    Not only did he used to write lyrics for them, I believe he even
    performed periodically with them!  I don't know much about the band,
    although one of their sillier songs, with lyrics by Moorcock is called
    "Sonic Attack", and it features the immortal line, "If  you are
    under 10 years of age, USE YOUR COCCOON!".  Lots of their songs
    are SF-ish, including my favorite, "Orgone Accumulator" which was
    covered last year by Pop Will Eat Itself.  I know very little about
    this band, I'm not even sure they stil exist.  
    
    Perhaps a HW fan will provide more information, I hear that HW fans
    are almost as loyal as Grateful Dead fans.   
    
    - Dan

    where can one get these albums?  
    
    -Jody
    

    See the Records conference (COMET::RECORDS, or use your KP7 or Select
    key to add the conference to your Notebook), specifically Note 290
    and replies.
    
    Fred

    And, lets not forget some songs he penned for Blue Oyster Cult
    
    "Black Blade" (Can you say Elric? I knew you could!)
    
    "Veteran of a Thousand Psychic Wars"
    
    Not bad examples of Heavy Metal Music, either.
    
    Bob K.

    Really?!  Same guy, eh?  I'm amazed...somehow I got the idea that
    Morecock's books had been around almost forever...that he'd be an
    "elder statesman" of the genre by now.  (I hate heavy metal, so
    I didn't know about the lyrics, but I would never have guessed!)
    
    What other major sf author trivia do we know?  Shall we start a
    new note for facts of the potentially surprising sort?
    
    Sherry

    RE: .5
    
    I think Moorcock published his first book at age 17 or thereabouts,
    indeed making him something of an elder statesmen as these things
    go. :-) Another child prodigy, Samuel Delany, was also associated
    with a band cum commune called Heavenly Breakfast, though I don't
    think they ever cut an album.
    
    Fred

    For the record, Moorcock is about 49 years old right now. I
    wouldn't say that he's into "heavy metal" so much as avant garde
    and/or "cutting edge" rock and roll. Blue Oyster Cult is not
    really what we think of today as heavy metal music, but more
    like just hard r'n'r. Hawkwind is (was?) a very avant garde rock
    band.
    
    --- jerry

    The band Hawk Wind is definitly not still in existance, I think they
    broke up in the early '70's. Also they aren't what you'd call Heavy
    Metal. (Or what I'd call HM, anyway) they were very experimental,used
    state of the art electronics,(pretty primitive now) and the base
    player was actually pretty good, strong base lines carry alot
    of the music, while the other musicians tend to get alittle wild.
        Some of the best Moorcock lyrics can be found on a live double
    record set called (I think) just Hawk Wind.  It still turns up in
    record stores, and you shouldn't have any trouble finding it in
    bigger cities.
        Does anyone remember the story of the Hawk Wind?  Something
    about a 2 dimentional space ship trapped in orbit around the earth.
    
    

    Correction;
    
     the album I refered to in 663.8 is called A Space Ritual, by Hawk
    Wind.  

Re : .8
>   The band Hawk Wind is definitly not still in existance, I think they
>   broke up in the early '70's.

    Sorry to disagree but Hawkwind were definitely still touring and
    releasing albums in the 80's - my eardrums can testify to that.
    They were on tour in the UK not that long ago ('87 or early '88)
    even if they have got too tired to cross the ocean these days :-)
    
>   ... Also they aren't what you'd call Heavy Metal. (Or what I'd
>   call HM anyway ...

    Whilst I agree with the comment that they used experimental sounds
    they were still one of *the* early bands playing HM, long before
    the likes of Saxon or any of the NWHM bands whose names are instantly
    forgettable. (The excellent bass player you mentioned tended to
    be Ian Kilminster, aka Lemmy, who later departed to form Motorhead).
    The line-up has always been slightly fluid so there have been a
    few occasions where the band has appeared to have broken up simply
    as a means of reforming with different players.
    
    Meanwhile, back at the ranch ... some of the Moorcock verses are
    amazing, gives the impression that he must be a pretty weird chap
    to meet, anyone seen him at a con ? 

    Frank

    Just to add my two penny worth to the Moorcock and Hawkwind info.
    
    1) I think Hawkwind used to class themselves as Cosmic rock ( Whatever
    that is).
    
    2) Space Ritual was the double live album with Moorcock's Sonic
    attack ( Remain in your Cookoon ) track plus several others.
    
    3) Hawkwind also released an album called Warrior on the Edge of
    Time. This also has Moorcock infulence if not track lyrics written
    by him.
    
    4) Sonic attack also released as a title track to a more recent
    album ( but not as good as live original - I think ).
    
    5) Moorcock also co wrote a book called Day of the Hawklords. 
    The charecters are the members of the band and himself. A good bit
    of light reading.
    
    6) As far as I know the only original member of Hawkwind from the
    Moorcock days is Dave Brock.
    
    I hope that list of facts hasn't put every body to sleep. I am a
    fan of both Mike Moorcock and the earlier Hawkwind music so please
    bear with me.
    
    Cheers Simon....
    
    P.S. Be careful when buying some of the more recent Moorcock books
    to do with the Eternal champion charecters. I have found several
    repeaters with different titles.
    

    
    "5) Moorcock also co wrote a book called Day of the Hawklords. 
     The charecters are the members of the band and himself."
    
    To quote THE TANELORN ARCHIVES (a bibliography of Moorcock's
    works by Richard Bilyeu), page 95 ("Influenced Fiction"):
    
    	"TIME OF THE HAWKLORDS, by Michael Butterworth
    	[lists editions]
    	Note:  this book, and QUEENS OF DELIRIA, were written
    	based on a suggestion by Moorcock.  Moorcock is
    	erroneously credited as co-author on all editions of
    	this title.  He does appear as a character in the book,
    	known as Moorlock the Acid Sorcerer."
    
    "P.S. Be careful when buying some of the more recent Moorcock books
     to do with the Eternal champion charecters. I have found several
     repeaters with different titles."
    
    Actually, there aren't any repeaters with different titles,
    though contents have been shuffled around a bit. The stories
    in THE SINGING CITADEL and THE STEALER OF SOULS were reshuffled
    into (along with new material) THE WEIRD OF THE WHITE WOLF and
    THE BANE OF THE BLACK SWORD. The stories were shuffled around
    (and even slightly revised for the new editions) by Moorcock
    to put them in chronological order. The current set of 6 titles
    are the definitive editions of the books.
    
    None of the non-Elric Eternal Champion books have been revised
    or retitled, though. Well, some of the fringe titles, like the
    Michael Kane series have, but not the main-line E.C. characters
    like Corum, Hawkmoon, and Erekose.
    
    --- jerry

       Jerry, one of these days I have to meet you. I have this vision
       of a guy living in the middle of the library of congress. Do they
       have a SF section? ;*)

       all kiding aside, it amazes me how much you remember about all
       these books and authors. I've read a lot of these books too but
       have only vague memories of who may have written them and what
       (some of them) were about. liesl

    re:.13
    
    Sometimes I feel like my basement *is* the Library of Congress".
    
    And my memory is supported by a lot of reference books.
    
    --- jerry

    I knew Mike when he was running New Worlds, where I sold a few stories.
    Last time I saw him was in a pub in Notting Hill (freaky writer area of
    London) where he was having fun crashing into the ladies room and
    arousing the indignation of the people who didn't know him.
    
    He would make $500 a shot writing Ace paperbacks to keep going. he
    would put 5 sheets of paper in the typewriter with 4 carbons between
    and type CHAPTER ONE on the first line. he would then throw out the
    whole book in about 2 weeks. 
    
    He's a classic!
    

    Incidentally, a new Elric novel has recently been published in
    hardcover in Britain. I just picked up a copy, though I haven't
    read it. From what I've heard, it's nothing much to speak of, and
    that Moorcock wrote it because he needed the money.
    
    --- jerry

                after 'elric  through  time'  i  don't  know if i
                could stomache another,  though  the first 5 were
                the cubes.
                
                - rob -
                

	I had the dubious honour of dining with "our" Micheal about 5
	years ago. The reason was that I'd complained about one of "his"
	book.

	The Title was something like _The Chinese Agent_ and the sequal
	called _The Russian Intelligence_ or so much. The story was about
	the trotters in London and spys.

	Anyway - I read the story and found it quite amusing and that was
	that until about 6 months later my grandmother gave me a book writen
	in 1933 (I can't remember the name of it) that was the exact same
	book.

	I wrote to Moorcock and he readily admitted that he'd bought the
	rights to the book and after adding a couple of paragraphs he
	put his own name to it (plus history). He said it was all legal,
	and when I asked if it was morally right he just said that it
	"Made money so who cares!"

	Funnily enough he invited me to dinner and even gave me his copies
	of some of the books that I couldn't get hold of. (I had about
	95 of his books and couldn't find _Elric at the end of time_ so
	he gave me his).

	All in all, the guy was weird, but it was an interesting meal.

	Paul.

    
    Mike's lucky. He was so weird that if he'd bin born 10 years later than
    he was he would've been writing software.
    
    Still, interesting you met him. I was always quite fond of the guy
    since he used to keep publishing my stuff. What ever happened to John
    Sladek? Thomas Disch (didn't really like his stuff)?  I know the guy
    who did White Hotel (what was his name) is making out pretty good. He
    started out with New Worlds too I think.
    
    New Worlds I think was a great mag, along with Ambit edited by JG
    Ballard.
    
    has anyone come across an SF literary agent called Janet Freer btw?
    
    

   >> What ever happened to John
    Sladek? Thomas Disch (didn't really like his stuff)?  I know the guy
    who did White Hotel (what was his name) is making out pretty good. He
    started out with New Worlds too I think.
    
    New Worlds I think was a great mag, along with Ambit edited by JG
    Ballard.
       
   	========================================================

	Sladek is alive and writing. Living, I believe, in England.
	His books never make it to tyhe US anymore, unfortunately.
	Disch's works turn up here (US) much more regularly. I always
	wondered if Thomas M. Disch wasn't D.M. Thomas, the author of
	White Hotel. Yes, no?

	I too loved New Worlds and the whole 70's British SF scene. JG
	Ballard is still one of my favorites. I didn't know he edited
	Ambit. I'd love to see what stories he liked.

    re:.20
    
    No, D.M. Thomas is not Thomas M. Disch.
    
    --- jerry