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Title:Arcana Caelestia
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572.0. "Positronic Brain?" by NRPUR::MULLAN (Data, let's count the varieties) Mon Feb 01 1988 15:16

    
    How about some help for an Asimov-illiterate?  I haven't the faintest
    idea of what a positronic brain is, and because of a recent Star
    Trek episode, I would like to.  Anyone care to explain?  It would
    be greatly appreciated!
    
                                                          -mishel
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572.1it sounds betterBUFFER::FUSCIDEC has it (on backorder) NOW!Mon Feb 01 1988 15:586
"Positron" is another name for an anti-electron, a sub-atomic particle that
is in all ways similar to an electron except for its charge. 

The term "electronic brain" doesn't have quite the same, er, charge to it.

Ray
572.2Next week: Muonic brainsBAKHOE::KENAHQuivering in sympathetic vibration...Mon Feb 01 1988 16:2114
    From an imaginary interview (contrived by the Good Doctor):
    
    "What's a positronic brain?"
    
    "A mechanism that uses positrons instead of electrons."
                                                          
    "How does it work?"
    
    "I haven't the vaguest idea."
             
    As stated in the preceding reply, "positronic" sounds better than
    "electronic."                                 
    
    					andrew
572.3The Three LawsRSTS32::WAJENBERGCelebrated ozone dwellerMon Feb 01 1988 16:5531
    Asimov has admitted in several essays that he coined the term
    "positronic brain" for the sheer sound of it.  In his robot stories, he
    has elaborated just a tiny bit more:  positronic brains contain a good
    deal of "platinum-iridium sponge."
    
    The really important thing about Asimov's robot brains was that they
    were of human calibre in most ways, but had a psychology dominated by
    the "Three Laws of Robots" here quoted for those who haven't seen them
    before:
    
    First Law: A robot may not harm a human being or allow a human being to
    	com to harm.
    
    Second Law: A robot must obey orders given it by human being unless
    	such obedience would violate the First Law.
    
    Third Law: A robot must protect itself from harm unless such protection
    	would violate the First or Second Law.
    
    The First Law has been adopted by many sf writers, particular for the
    screen, under the name of the "Prime Directive."
    
    Asimov tells a story that he went to a premier or preview (I forget) of
    Kubrick's "2001," along with other spacey notables such Carl Sagan.  At
    the end of the first half, just before intermission, it is clear that
    HAL 9000 is contemplating homicide.  At intermission, Asimov came
    steaming out into the lobby declaiming, "They're breaking the First
    Law!  They're breaking the First Law!"  Quoth Sagan, "So why don't you
    strike them down with lightning, Isaac?"
    
    Earl Wajenberg
572.4whatever -- they work in FoundationLandINK::KALLISJust everybody please calm down...Mon Feb 01 1988 18:579
    In the later stories, Isaac started dropping hints about how his
    "brains" work, but they were tiny hints.  Somehow, the p[ositrons
    are routed to specific orbital paths that make the brains function.
     "Disrupting" the pathways of these 'orbiting" positrons woulds
    result in the "death" of a robot.
    
    Oh, well ...
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
572.5JLR::REDFORDFacts don't do what you want them toMon Feb 01 1988 21:5613
    If you want a good attack on the 'Laws' of Robotics, find "Roderick" by
    John Sladek.  Roderick is confused but maturing little robot who is trying
    to make his way in the world.  He doesn't understand how anyone could
    consider these to be laws.  For starters, how is a robot supposed to tell
    what constitutes harm?  Is it harmful to drink a beer?  Probably, in some
    sense.  Is it harmful to cross the street?  Could very likely be.  If human
    beings sometimes have trouble distinguishing these things, how are 
    robots supposed to?   Asimov himself found a loophole in the laws in
    almost every story.  "Roderick" is a wonderful piece of satire in 
    general.  Its sequel, "Roderick at Random", has just come out, and
    is also good.
    
    /jlr
572.6the 3 laws are 4MLNTSC::CESANITue Feb 02 1988 05:254
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     you forget the latest law of robotics,the 0th which he had to add
     to make sense in his attempts to bring together the two main streams
     of his writings 
572.7Japan to build artificial brain by 2001MTWAIN::KLAESNo Guts, No GalaxyMon Aug 29 1994 17:2749
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			   A big silicon brain
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        From Science News, July 30, 1994, Vol. 146, No. 5, Pg 77

    Researchers at ATR laboratories in Kyoto, Japan, are building an 
    "artificial brain."  To be completed in 2001, the lab's CAMBrain Project 
    aims to produce a silicon brain with more than 1 billion artificial 
    neurons, according to Hugo de Garis, an ATR computer scientist.

    The brain will come in the form of a neural network and will exist 
    within a massively parallel computer.  To create such a complex system, 
    the researchers will have the network build itself.  "Cellular automata," 
    each one a distinct computer program, will actually forge their own 
    linkages.

    De Garis calls this approach "evolutionary engineering."  The neural net 
    grows when cellular automata send "growth signals" to each other, then
    connect via "synapses."  Currently, the brain's logical innards are 
    forming in two dimensions, though they will soon begin to interconned in 
    three dimensions, de Garis says.

    Since the network will evolve its own structure, de Garis calls it a 
    type of "Darwin Machine."

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572.8KAOFS::B_VANVALKENBThu Sep 15 1994 17:528
    Wasn't there a theoritical number of nueron connections that onced
    exceded self awareness would occur.
    
    
    Brian V
    
    I think therefore I am
    
572.910X the brain in .7 . . .NEMAIL::CARROLLJEven a clown knows when to strikeThu Sep 15 1994 21:259
    re -.1
    
    	I think it was in the neighborhood of 10 billion or so ( taken from
    the approx. # of connections in a human brain ).  I read a story once
    where the population of earth exceeded 10 billion, and human
    civilization developed an intelligence - and promptly committed
    suicide.  Amusing, but scary thought . . .
    
    					- Jim