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Title:Arcana Caelestia
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529.0. "Fantastic Voyage II" by TFH::MARSHALL (hunting the snark) Fri Sep 25 1987 15:50

    The Note about a sequal to Rendezvous With Rama reminded me that
    Clarke's good buddy Isaac has a new book out. 
    
    From reading the dust jacket, I get the impression that Fantastic
    Voyage II is not so much a sequal as it is a re-write.
    
    Has anybody read the book? <insert all the standard questions here>
                                
                                                   
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529.1MYCRFT::PARODIJohn H. ParodiThu Apr 14 1988 16:0226
  Finished "Fantastic Voyage II" last night and it wasn't bad.  It suffers
  his normal "plodding plot" syndrome, though I think the Good Doctor is a
  very competent writer.  I'd put it a cut below "The Gods Themselves." 

  Yes, it is a rewrite rather than a sequel.  Please correct me if I'm
  wrong but I think that in the first Fantastic Voyage, Asimov first
  consulted on the screenplay and then wrote the book.  

  I remember reading an article in which Asimov complained about the
  idiots who do science fiction movies.  In the first story, the
  miniature ship and occupants had a limited amount of time before they
  would spontaneously de-miniaturize.  The results would have been
  explosive had they still been inside the body when that happened.  In
  the movie, the ship was destroyed and left behind in the body while the
  occupants escaped.  Asimov could not make the screenwriters realize that
  it was important to get the ship's wreckage out of the body.  They just
  gave him a blank stare and said, "But the ship was *destroyed*."  This
  error got fixed in the first book, of course.

  I don't recall the details of the miniaturization process in the first 
  book but I think Asimov wrote this one because he figured out how to do
  it while only bending the laws of nature.  The trick is to locally
  reduce the value of Planck's constant...

  JP 
529.2NUTMEG::BALSThe Trash Heap has spoken. Nyaaah!Thu Apr 14 1988 17:1614
    RE: .1
    
    >Please correct me if I'm
  >wrong but I think that in the first Fantastic Voyage, Asimov first
  >consulted on the screenplay and then wrote the book.
    
    A slight correction: Asimov was contracted to do the novelization
    of FV, but had nothing to do with the screenplay other than that.
    He notes (in the current issue of IAsfm) that it's a common
    misconception caused by the book being released months before the
    movie. Asimov has further thoughts on both FV I and II (books and
    movies) in the current IAsfm.
    
    Fred   
529.3A Place for Everything, ...DRUMS::FEHSKENSTue Aug 02 1988 15:5746
    Relocated from inadvertantly duplicated topic.
    
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    I finally picked up a copy of Fantastic Voyage II, now that it's
    out in paperback.  I never really considered Fantastic Voyage (I)
    as real Asimov, but he claims FVII *is* real Asimov, so a paperback
    investment didn't seem too unreasonable.
    
    Anyway, it's not great Asimov, and it's got some humdinger technical
    oversights.  I'm about halfway through it so far.
    
    The idea is that by suitably changing Planck's constant you can
    arbitrarily change the size of an object without running into all
    the classical objections.  I've seen this idea before in Rudy Rucker's
    The Master of Space and Time, a rather more whimsical variation
    on this theme, and a more enjoyable read than FVII.
    
    Well, as a side effect of the miniaturization process, the
    miniaturized object gets a lot of energy pumped into it, and as
    a consequence, deminiaturizing an object takes some time so as to
    allow the energy to dissipate in a nondestructive manner.
    
    So, I have to wonder, what happens as the energy content of the
    object increases while its size decreases.  The energy density
    increases rather dramatically, and eventually must reach levels
    that have relativistic consequences.  Asimov just ignores (at least
    so far) this issue.
    
    Also, he discusses the change in power to weight ratio for muscles,
    and then drops it even though he miniaturizes his protagonists to
    the molecular scale.  Since muscle strength is proportional to
    area, but weight is proportinal to volume, and as linear dimension
    is reduced the cube to square ratio means the power to weight ratio
    increases linearly with miniaturization factor.  So at molecular
    scale, we ought to be seeing Superman-like effects, but we don't. 
    
    Anybody else read this one?
    
    len.
    
529.4LEDS::BUSCHDave Busch at NKS1-2Wed Nov 09 1988 02:528
I'm about 40% into it now. I had some objections to the "science" content, but
not nearly so much as I object to the character of the main character, Morrison.
He just doesn't seem real to me nor does he react to the events around him as I
believe any man of science would. Nonetheless, the story has got me interested. 
I'm not much of a SF fan (yet) and of the authors I've read Clarke is my 
favorite.

Dave