[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference noted::sf

Title:Arcana Caelestia
Notice:Directory listings are in topic 2
Moderator:NETRIX::thomas
Created:Thu Dec 08 1983
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1300
Total number of notes:18728

414.0. "Catalog of SF Defensive Systems" by CURIUS::LEE () Mon Nov 24 1986 20:00

This note is a response to 373 and 378.  SF Weapons abound, but how would
worlds survive without defenses of some sort.  So here's a chance to counteract
all the nasty things listed in the above mentioned notes.

Some of my favorites are:

Deflector Shields in STAR TREK - They could block phaser beams, photon
torpedoes, transporter beams and still let you communicate through them!

Larry Niven's Stasis field - Protects you from everything including old age!

Mirrors - The standard protection against Lasers.

Multichromatic Aerosols - Also a standard anti-laser device.

Various "Very Hard" Substances - eg. Star Trek's Neutronium.  Others?


What are your favorites and against what weapons are they effective?

Thanks,

 /~~'\
W o o k
(  ^  )
 \`-'/
  \_/
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
414.1Screens and plugsROCK::REDFORDOn a pure caffeine highMon Nov 24 1986 21:3713
Alexis Gilliand had a nice anti-missile defense in one of his 
Rosinante books.  The inhabitants of the space colony Rosinante 
detected a nuclear-tipped missile coming their way, and used the 
wreckage of the power mirrors of a sister colony to build a giant 
screen in space, 10 km on a side.  The missile hit it at 10 miles per 
second, and that was the end of it.

I've also always liked Larry Niven's earplugs: stuff a wad of totally 
sound-proof material in your ears with a little radio transmitter on 
the outside and a matching receiver on the inside.  Talk of 
short-range transmitters...

/jlr
414.2Macrometal (tm)PROSE::WAJENBERGTue Nov 25 1986 11:4415
    I invented some stuff called "macrometal" for a science fiction
    role playing game.  Normal metals consist of lots of tiny crystals;
    macrometals consist of one big, fat, perfect (or nearly) crystal.
    Very brittle, very rigid, and very VERY strong.  It had many
    construction uses, but it also made dandy armor against missile
    attack.
    
    Re .1
    
    What were the ear-plugs supposed to defend you against?  Something
    acoustic, I presume.  Did Niven try to get by the fact that sound can
    penetrate bone and flesh, and thus attack from the rear, so to speak?
    
    Earl Wajenberg
                  
414.3Cordwainer Smith's defensesVAXRT::CANNOYThe more you love, the more you can.Tue Nov 25 1986 12:134
    You never found out exactly what they did, but I've always loved
    "Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons".
    
    Tamzen
414.4(Too (many (parens)))DRUMS::FEHSKENSTue Nov 25 1986 12:4517
    re single crystal metal works - the Scientific American materials
    issue included an article on such materials - high performance turbine
    blades are now cast as single crystals.
    
    re Cordwainer Smith (a nom de plume which apparently means something
    like "wood stacking metal worker"), he uses cats as a defense in
    another of his stories, one of my favorites, "The Crime and Glory
    of Commander Suzdal" (sp?), which Commander breeds a race of
    fanatically devoted (to Man) warrior cats (shades of Larry Niven's
    Kzin (Kzinti? which is the plural, which is the adjective?)) whom
    he throws back in time to defend Man from some alien menace.  I
    think he (Mr. Smith) also uses cats in "The Game of Cat and Mouse".
    And of course, cats show up in numerous stories as underpeople,
    e.g., "The Ballad of the Lost C'mell".
    
    len.
    
414.5MYCRFT::PARODIJohn H. ParodiTue Nov 25 1986 12:517
  Yeah, the pinlighters were cats but wasn't the story called "The Game
  of Rat and Dragon"?

  JP


414.6It's the thought that countsDRUMS::FEHSKENSTue Nov 25 1986 14:136
    Indeed, that sounds much more like it now that you mention it.  I'll
    look it up when I get home.  Probably time to reread some Smith
    again anyway.  I think my neurons could use some ECC.
    
    len.
    
414.7The Kittons Weren't KittensPROSE::WAJENBERGTue Nov 25 1986 14:187
    As it happens, Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons weren't cats; they
    were weasels, or maybe mink.  They had been bred for psychotic fury
    (not very hard in weasels).  They then provided the output for a
    telepathic projector trained on incoming enemy spacecraft.  At least
    that's what I recall; it's been years since I read it.
    
    Earl Wajenberg
414.8INK::KALLISSupport Hallowe'enTue Nov 25 1986 14:2223
    Speaking of Smiths:
    
    Doc Smith's "polycyclic force fields," in the Lenmsman books.  They'd
    block out harmful radiation and some ballistic stuff, but weould
    allow you to communicate and see out.
    
    Also, thought screens (the baddies got 'em from Ploor.  The Eddorians
    finally made better ones).
    
    John W. Campbell's "resistium" -- an ultra-element using
    antiproton/antineutron nuclei and orbiting protons (!).  Made an
    almost impervious hull for spacecraft. (Dunno howcome the orbiting
    protons didn't interact with normal-matter electrons, though.)
    
    In another John Campbell story, the Hall Effect Bullet Deflector.
    This was a force-field that trapped bullets in it.  Problem was
    that while it protected the person wearing it, that person quickly
    became surrounded by orbiting bullets. [Really!]
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
    
    
414.9Spindizzy Panic TeleportPROSE::WAJENBERGTue Nov 25 1986 14:2310
    In James Blish's "Cities in Flight" series, there was an emergency
    escape you could make by deliberately and carefully overdriving
    the spindizzies.  (Spindizzies were the gravity engines that moved
    the cities both above and below light speed.)  When overdriven,
    the spindizzies teleported the whole city to a random location.
    There may have been an intermediate stop in nowhere at all.  As
    I recall, the mayor/captain of New York counted himself very lucky
    to remain in the Milky Way.
    
    Earl Wajenberg
414.10ROCK::REDFORDOn a pure caffeine highWed Nov 26 1986 02:288
re: Cordwainer Smith

A cordwainer is an archaic term for a shoemaker.  It has a remote 
derivation from cordovan leather.  Harlan Ellsion liked it so much 
that he used it one of his own pseudonyms: Cordwainer Bird, creator 
of "Starlost".  It must appear in the Book of the New Sun somewhere...

/jlr
414.11NUTMEG::BALSGod is an IronWed Nov 26 1986 11:179
    RE: -1
    
    Just a slight clarification. When you see Ellison use the pseudonym,
    "Cordwainer Bird," for anything, you can be certain that he has
    disavowed whatever project that name is attached to - especially
    "The Starlost." It's Ellison's ungentle way of warning off fans
    and to flip the bird at whoever he feels has messed him over. 
    
    Fred
414.12Dune FF'sOPUS::LUBARTWed Dec 03 1986 15:105
    The personal forcefields portrayed in Dune were interesting.
    Remember, the ones that stop the fast blow but passed the slow one.
    
    /Dan
    
414.13Slow-down force fieldsSKYLAB::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Mon Dec 29 1986 20:0810
    re .12:  There are a number of those kind of critters around.  Niven
    and Pournelle's Langston field and (gosh who is it!)'s field in
    The Forever War.  The latter required you to fight with swords etc
    since anything faster would get either slowed down or deflected.
    
    Did Asimov's force field work that way in Foundation and Empire
    too?
    
    Burns
    
414.14General Products HullSKYLAB::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Mon Dec 29 1986 20:117
    And who can forget General Product hulls.  (Niven's Pierson's
    Puppeteers made them).  They block any kind of radiation except
    that which customer's could sense.  (Yipes!  Does any customer see
    with high energy X-rays?)  They also did not block gravity, and
    anti-matter did not help their strength any.
    
    Burns
414.15More Cordwainer SmithLITRBX::EDECKTue Dec 30 1986 17:3617
    
    A couple more interesting ones from Cordwainer Smith:
    
    The details are hazy on this one, but when No-space was first discov-
    ered, the radiation would...kill? drive insane?...anyone traveling
    in it. The answer was to put a false hull on the No-ships and fill
    it with oyster spawn to absorb the lethal No-space fields. Sorta
    harsh on the oysters, though...
    
    Then there was The Golden Ship--a couple light-minutes worth of
    wire and sheet metal, shaped like a HUGE warship. All it had to
    do was show up once and scare the bejesus out of the Bright Empire...
    It was so secret that after its single mission, they wiped the brain
    of the captain, and he spent the rest of his life wondering why
    he was a hero...
    
    Ed E.
414.16DeathWorldBESPIN::LUBARTMon Jan 05 1987 17:587
    re .13, Forever War, by Joe Haldemann.
    
    I have a vague recollection of a book called DeathWorld by Haldemann
    that involved some ferocious sort of bodyarmor.  Anyone have a better
    memory than me on this?
    
    /Dan
414.17Harrison?PROSE::WAJENBERGMon Jan 05 1987 18:299
    Re .16
    
    Sure it wasn't Harry Harrison?  He wrote of an Earth colony on a
    planet with ferocious wildlife.  I believe the colonists developed
    some highly aggressive armor, including a gun-and-holster combination
    that slapped the gun into your hand when you moved your fingers
    into the right position to grip the gun.
    
    Earl Wajenberg
414.18Harry it isTHEHUT::LUBARTTue Jan 06 1987 16:044
    I think you got me Earl.  It was Deathworld by Harry Harrison.
    It was a pretty entertaining book as I remember.  
    
    /Dan
414.19Deathworld Trilogy?DRUMS::FEHSKENSTue Jan 13 1987 15:014
    Actually a trilogy as I recall.
    
    len,.
    
414.20Jason dinAltDROID::DAUGHANI love it when you talk Hi-Tech.Wed Jan 14 1987 15:236
    Consisting of DEATHWORLD, THE ETHICAL ENGINEER (weak), and THE HORSE
    BARBARIANS.  D is good, THB is better.
    
    Seems to me I have a spare copy of the Trilogy from the SFBC....
    
    				Don ICEMAN::Rudman
414.21AKOV68::BOYAJIANA disgrace to the forces of evilThu Jan 15 1987 04:377
    re:.20
    
    Those were the titles of the ANALOG serializations. The books
    had the highly creative titles DEATHWORLD, DEATHWORLD 2, and
    DEATHWORLD 3.
    
    --- jerry
414.22That must be why they called it THE DEATHWORLD TRILOGY!DROID::DAUGHANI love it when you talk Hi-Tech.Tue Jan 20 1987 16:197
    True.  After Analog I managed to find all 3 DEATH P-backs as well
    as the Trilogy.
    
    I figured the reading populace would see the connection if they run
    across a book with DEATHWORLD in the title.
    
    					Don