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42.0. "Niven's DOWN IN FLAMES" by ELMER::GOUN () Mon Mar 19 1984 23:06

The following has been floating around the ARPAnet, so I don't see any
reason not to post it here. 

					-- Roger

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			    D O W N   I N   F L A M E S
 
			OUTLINE FOR AN UNWRITTEN EPIC NOVEL
				   BY LARRY NIVEN
 
						(c) 1977 by Larry Niven
 
	The following requires some explanation.  At least!
	On January 14, 1968, Norman Spinrad and I were at a party thrown by Tom
& Terry Pinckard.  We were filling coffee cups when Spinny started this
whole thing.
	``You ought to drop the known space series,'' he said.  ``You'll get
stale.''  (Quotes are not necessarily dead accurate.)
	I explained that I was writing stories outside the ``known space''
history, and that I would give up the series as soon as I ran out of
things to say within its framework.  Which would be soon.
	``Then why don't you write a novel that tears it to shreds?  Don't just
abandon known space.  Destroy it!''
	``But how?''  (I never asked why.  Norman and I think alike in some
ways.)
	``Start with the premise that the whole thing is a shuck.  There never
was a chain reaction of novae in the galactic core.  There aren't any
Thrintun.  It's all a gigantic hoax.  Write it that way.  Then,'' Spinny
said, ``if the fans write letters threatening to lynch you, you write
back saying, `It's only a story . . . . ' ''
	We found a corner.  During the next four hours we worked out the
details.  Some I rejected.  Like, he wanted to make the Tnuctipun into
minions of the Devil.  (Yes, the Devil.)  Like, he wanted me to be
inconsistent.  I can't do that, not on purpose.
	The incredible thing is that when we finished, we did indeed have a
consistent framework.  I wrote it up during the following week, as a set
of assumptions and a plot outline.  It would have been the longest of my
novels up to that time.
	What happened?
	About April 1968, I ran into an idea called a Dyson sphere.  It gripped
my imagination.  I designed a compromise structure, less roomy, but with
some distinct advantages:  the Ringworld is prettier, it's got gravity
without the unlikelihood of gravity generators, and you can see the sky.
	So I wrote Ringworld, and then Protector, and then the three
SF-detective novelettes lumped under The Long ARM of Gil Hamilton.  In
1968 the ``known space'' history included about 250,000 words.  In 1977
it's more than twice that large, and some of the assumptions in Down in
Flames have gotten lost.
	So I was writing Ringworld, and I gave the Down in Flames material to
Tom Reamy for his fanzine Trumpet.  The material wasn't all that
consistent or well organized; it was done for my own benefit, and I
stopped halfway.
	It's nine years later, and I can't resist the impulse to put the thing
into better shape.  Those of you who haven't read any of the ``known
space'' series are going to find it incredibly cryptic, and what can I
do but apologize?  For those of you who have, remember:  it's all a
hoax.
 
PRELIMINARY ASSUMPTIONS
 
    1)  Beowulf Shaeffer never visited the galactic core.
    2)  The Long Shot, the alleged Quantum II hyperdrive ship used in At
the Core, was a hoax.  For eight months that ``spacecraft'' rested
somewhere in the West End of Jinx, while Beowulf Shaeffer was treated to
an elaborate movie of a trip to the galactic core and back.  The
hyperdrive machinery he saw through Long Shot's transparent hull was
hiding other machinery:  3D movie projectors, artificial gravity,
computer controls on a fake mass sensor.  It wouldn't take much.
    3)  The core suns are not exploding.
    4)  The Thrintun or Slaver Species, supposed to exist a billion and
a half years ago (World of Ptavvs), never existed.
    5)  The Tnuctipun (supposed to be a slave race to the Slavers) are
real enough, but they are contemporary with humanity.
    6)  The Puppeteers are in their pay.
    7)  They have accepted employment because they dare not refuse.  The
Tnuctipun are vicious and vindictive.
    8)  Since the Puppeteers are not fleeing the explosion in the
galactic core, what are they fleeing?  Why, they're fleeing the
Tnuctipun, of course.  And taking some of their funds from the
Tnuctipun.
    9)  Kzanol (World of Ptavvs) is neither the last Thrint (Slaver),
nor a robot.  He is, now get this, he is a product of Tnuctipun
biological engineering:  a tailored species with only one member.  His
memories are heavily detailed science fiction.
   10)  Many of the stasis boxes are relics of the Tnuctipun occupation
of known space.  So are the genetically tailored species, the sunflowers
and stage trees and Bandersnatchi, found throughout known space.
	The Tnuctipun were all through here.  They evacuated our region of
space not long ago, certainly less than a million years ago.  They were
forced to leave a lot of gene-tailored life and a number of lost stasis
boxes; though they could count on most of the relics of the empire
disintegrating with age.
	But they had time to leave other evidence, in stasis boxes, to
contribute to the hoax.  Later they created Kzanol and left him in
stasis on the continental shelf off Brazil.
	The major hoax is the Slaver War, supposed to have occurred a billion
and a half years ago.  The Tnuctipun could not conceal their presence in
known space; but they could hide the fact that they are contemporary.
   11)  The truth is that the Tnuctipun are all through known space.  It
will be seen how this is possible.
   12)  Clearly the Bandersnatchi were not designed to spy on the
Slavers for the Tnuctipun.  Tnuctipun get a kick out of eating meat that
was sentient when alive.  So, they designed the Bandersnatchi sentient.
   13)  When the Tnuctipun cleared out, some of their number got left
behind.  That group went to savagery, then built its civilization again,
and began carving out an interstellar empire.  We call them the Kzinti.
The Kzinti know nothing of the Tnuctipun; but there are Tnuctipun hidden
among the Kzinti.
   14)  There's proof of sorts: a psychological point.  Female Kzinti
are dumb animals, no more.  The Kzinti may be thought of as asexual.  So
it is with the Tnuctipun too.  A Kzin will understand the kick they get
from eating intelligent beings.  There has to be something to replace
the kick of mating with someone of your own intelligence.
   15)  And a second point of proof.  The Grog's psi power is very like
the Slaver's.  The Grog might well be a degenerate Slaver, except that
with the Grog the female is dominant and intelligent.  How could that
be?
	Obvious.  The Thrint (Kzanol) was copied from the Grog and modified.
But the Tnuctipun got it garbled; they could not believe in a sentient
female.
   16)  The core of the hoax is the Core explosion:  the lie that our
galaxy is a Seyfert galaxy, that in twenty thousand years the wave of
radiation will make all of known space uninhabitable, and most of the
galaxy too.  The hoax may extend much further than known space.
Refugees will be passing through from nearer the Core.  Dozens of
species will be mothballing whole planets, expecting eventually to
return.  They will sheath seeds and eggs of useful life-forms in lead or
stasis fields, and make every effort to preserve their artifacts for
thousands of years.
	Now look at it from the viewpoint of Tnuctipun returning to known
space.  They'll find all the worlds of known space deserted, with their
most valuable artifacts preserved.  They'll find trillions of beings in
spacecraft moving at Quantum I hyperdrive.  All flavors, these beings.
All moving at that single velocity, three days to the light-year.  Match
direction and you match course for boarding.  In many cases, no weapons;
too many species would concentrate solely on the tremendous task of
moving billions of individuals clear out of the galaxy.
 
	Obviously this would have been the last of the known space stories.
(If only Blish had stopped with his second Okie novel!  He ended the
universe, then had to back up!)  I've given the assumptions I have to
make in order to get a coherent picture.  The framework does answer some
questions left open in the ``known space'' series and raises others.
 
    1)  The Quantum II hyperdrive was advertised for sale by the
Puppeteers.  Why didn't someone buy it?  (Those who tried got the
runaround.  The QII ship never existed.)
    2)  If the Grogs are degenerate Slavers, how did the sex get
changed?  (We figured it backward.  The Tnuctipun reversed the sexes
through male chauvinist piggery.)
    3)  The ``soft weapon'' (see the Neutron Star collection) has to be
a real abandoned Tnuctip artifact.
	It's too powerful to have been allowed to fall into human hands
deliberately; even if it didn't remain there.  Why didn't the handle fit
a Kzinti (i.e., Tnuctip) hand?  Probably because the Tnuctipun have
their own slave races.
    4)  Even if the Ringworld is edge-on to the Core, it isn't thick
enough to shield itself (and Teela Brown!) from the gamma rays.  But
Teela's ``luck'' requires that she be safe there.  She is, if there's no
Core explosion.
    5)  What of the Outsiders?
	With their Helium II metabolism, they are not ``meat'' to a Tnuctip.
If they maintain their neutrality, nobody should harm them.  And they
must have known of the Tnuctip plot for some time.
	Now we know why the Outsiders charged such a tremendous price for the
answer to a simple question.  What are they going to do, now that the
galaxy is becoming uninhabitable?  Answer:  it isn't!
	Can we use the Outsiders?  How well can we balance profit against their
fear of the Tnuctipun?
    6)  What happens to a ship that goes too deep into a gravity well
while using Outsider hyperdrive?
	Snatched by the Tnuctipun!  There is no relevant physical law, no
mysterious singularity in hyperspace.  The need to enter a system at
sublight speeds will restrict the spread of humanity and keep us from
regions where the fraud is apparent.
 
	So much for background.  What of the story itself?
	Obviously I'm setting up Armageddon.  Exposure of the Tnuctip fraud
will result in a cataclysm to shake the stars.  Fire and death, and the
Tnuctipun may win.
	They will have no allies.  The Kzinti have been changed, by four
Man-Kzin Wars in which the most serious war-mongers, and the ones with
the least self-control, were the ones who died.  The Kzinti population
has been considerably reduced.  Those left are not peaceful, but they
can think first before they jump.  Telepaths are their own development.
And they have reason to hate the Tnuctipun who abandoned their
ancestors.  The Kzinti will fight on our side, though we must watch for
planted Tnuctip spies.
	No allies . . . but Tnuctip technology must be enormous.  Slaver stasis
boxes were largely planted.  What we found in them was technology the
Tnuctipun threw away!  What more are they hiding?
 
	I know some of the characters I'll need.  Oddly, the most necessary are
the most familiar.  And known space isn't that defenseless.
	I need either Kzanol or Larry Greenberg:  the only two characters
capable of recognizing a Tnuctip.  Kzanol is out of the question, as you
will see.  We've got to rescue Greenberg from where we left him last:
aboard a slowboat, one of the Lazy Eight series, which lost its drive
systems while moving at near lightspeed.  By Louis Wu's time it will be
several hundred light-years from known space.
	(Louis is out of it.  So are Teela Brown and the entire Ringworld.  The
Tnuctipun dare not attack the Ringworld.  For reasons, see The Ringworld
Engineers in a couple of years).
	I need Beowulf Shaeffer, who was at the heart of the Core explosion
hoax.  If I set Down in Flames after Ringworld, Shaeffer is 200-odd
years old:  middle-aged despite boosterspice.
	I need an expert on Slaver relics.
	I need money and brains to work this.  That's easy.  I'll use the
Truesdale-monster (see Protector).
	Three more:  a mountaineer woman with Plateau eyes (Matt Keller's
talent; see A Gift from Earth), and a Kzin for a central character, and
a Grog for her mind-reading ability.
	Ready?
 
				DOWN IN FLAMES
			SOON TO BE A MINOR MOTION PICTURE
 
					I
 
	Old Beowulf Shaeffer is relaxing somewhere when the Truesdale-monster
taps him on the shoulder.  ``I need you,'' he says, and produces
whatever credentials it takes.  ARM, Belt Speaker, King,
Secretary-General, he's got 'em.  Shaeffer's interest is captured.
Truesdale leads him away, talking a blue streak.
	We last saw the Truesdale-monster taking a fleet of ships to confront
an oncoming fleet of Pak refugee ships.  Whatever they found out there
(evidence of existence of the Kzinti Empire? Maybe.) it caused them to
send one of their number home to watch over human space.  They sent the
only flatlander:  Truesdale.
	At sublight speeds he arrived only recently.  Things seem calm enough
in known space.  Against all expectation, the Kzinti seem harmless.  But
there is a mystery to be tracked down, and the Core explosion needs some
attention too.
 
					II
 
	They are attacked at the spaceport.  The weapons are of the Soft Weapon
type:  ``soft'' in the sense used by Salvidor Dali, in that the weapon
changes shape.  The species attacking is an unfamilar one, agile as a
Pak, without much brain, and with hands to fit their weapons.
	Truesdale takes them in a mad run for his ship.  He loses a leg,
cauterizes it with his own laser, and off they go, Truesdale hopping.
The alien weapons do ferocious damage; they include a total-conversion
setting; but Truesdale's ship is largely stasis fields.
 
					III
 
	Truesdale takes them to Camelot:  his refuge in the cometary halo.
Camelot is similar to Kobold (see Protector) in that Truesdale has been
using gravity generators as an art form.  On the way, Truesdale gives
his own background, and gets Shaeffer to go over his tale of the trip to
the Core (At the Core).
 
					IV
 
	At Camelot Truesdale takes Shaeffer once more through the Core trip,
under drugs.  He still hasn't said what he's after.  He doesn't get it.
But they were attacked, and that must be important.
	He examines the corpse of their attacker.  It would have been no
brighter than a chimpanzee.  Something else is training these.
	They talk endlessly.  Shaeffer mentions the trip to Swoosh
(Flatlander).  Truesdale knows a good deal about the Outsiders, and
shows it.  Shaeffer wonders about some of the questions he asked the
Outsiders during that single meeting.  When he mentions one question
(``What will you do now that you know the Core is exploding?''),
Truesdale hops up yelling, ``That's it!''
	The attack starts in that instant.
 
					V
 
	It catches them on the surface.  In the first moments Camelot's gravity
field goes and the air starts to expand into space.  Truesdale is
vaporized in the middle of a leap across a gap between the segments of
Camelot.
	Shaeffer dives for a door.  Any door:  the nearest, despite warning
signs.  There's air.  Shaeffer inhales once in relief, once in glorious
disbelief, once to find out where the incredibly delicious smell is
coming from.  Then his mind turns off, and he's tracking the
tree-of-life root down through the corridors of Camelot's heart.
 
					VI
 
	Shaeffer wakes as a protector stage human, very like Truesdale:  knobby
joints, no obvious sex, expanded brain-case, skin thickened to leather
armor, etc.
	Escape is his first problem.  There's no ship; there's not much left of
Camelot.  If the aliens were searching Camelot with a device to detect
thinking minds, then Shaeffer's dormancy saved him.  But they may still
be around.
	There are gravity generators.  Shaeffer repairs them, then lines them
up to accelerate rocks at near-lightspeed.  Now he's got a reaction
drive.  He heads for the sun.
	The enemy attacks as his makeshift ship drops toward the solar system.
Shaeffer's gravity generators throw rocks at them.  He follows with a
sphere of neutronium in stasis.
	The Pluto Watch picks him up.  Shortly he sets himself to locating and
using Truesdale's organization on Earth . . . and to solving an urgent
problem:  the Grogs.
 
					VII
 
	Why didn't Truesdale exterminate the Grogs?  Why wasn't it his second
act?  His first, of course, was to review the Kzinti problem and
pronounce them harmless.  The Grogs look dangerous.  They're sessile,
granted.  They talk a good surrender.  But they're hypnotic telepaths,
and they bid fair to be descendants of the terrible Slavers!  Except
they're the wrong sex.  How in hell did that happen?
	Right, this must have been what Truesdale was investigating.  Shaeffer
will retrace his steps.
 
					VIII
 
	Passing himself as Truesdale is trivial; who'd look beyond the facade
of a man-parody done in coconuts and walnuts?  To command Truesdale's
organization he need only locate it, and he does.  Truesdale ruled them
with money; he's got a nice little commercial empire going.
	Data on Grogs tells him nothing he didn't know.  Eventually he'll have
to go to Down.  Meanwhile, he investigates Slavers.
 
					IX
 
	His major step is to steal the Sea Statue (see World of Ptavvs) from
the Smithsonian.  Kzanol, the only known Thrint, is in there.  Shaeffer
kidnaps an expert on Slaver artifacts.  He sets up some safeguards,
hopefully adequate, and opens the suit.
	The safeguards include a Grog tourist:  a hairy cone, bald on top,
split halfway down by her wide smile, eyeless, earless . . . and her
rock, and the tractor treads it's been mounted on.  It turns out she's
not needed yet.  Kzanol is in the suit when Shaeffer breaks the stasis
field around it.  But there's a butcher knife in Kzanol.  As any fool
might have guessed, Jack Brennan (see Protector) would never have left
Kzanol alive in there, and the odd sense of humor (a butcher knife?)
pretty well identifies his work
	But the corpse is enough.  There are enough relics of Tnuctip
biological engineering around:  sunflowers, stage trees, Bandersnatchi.
Schultz-Mann the expert on Slavers (for economy we'll make her a woman
with Plateau eyes; that trait may well come in handy) says that Kzanol
is of Tnuctip manufacture.  So, when Shaeffer produces it, is the corpse
of an alien attacker.
	Chains of hypothesis lead Shaeffer to part of the truth.  There was no
Slaver race and no Slaver War.  It's all Tnuctipun, and they're still
around.
	What do they look like?  (We know only the attacking alien.)
	Why the deception?
	What are they planning?
	How did Beowulf Shaeffer get into it at all?
 
					X
 
	Shaeffer takes some time to ready Earth's and the Belt's defenses
against a return of the attackers.  As a protector Shaeffer isn't
bothered by plans that take years to reach fruition.  When he's
convinced that human space is safe, he moves on to the Kzinti empire,
taking with him the Grog, and Schultz-Mann, and a loose Kzinti tourist
with a full name.  With his aid, drop the word:  something dangerous is
going on, be ready.
	Then, a four hundred light-year trip in hyperdrive, taking four years.
Shaeffer took a big ship and stocked it with tools and raw materials.
He's got time to build gravity generators.  With these he can match
velocities with the lost slowboat, board, and retrieve the entire crew.
There are some problems here with culture shock; these humans date from
the time of Gil the ARM and Lucas Garner.
	Larry Greenberg solves one problem fast.  He points at the Kzin and
says, ``That's a Tnuctip!''
	The Grog says, ``No, he isn't.''
	Deduction comes fast for the Shaeffer monster.  If Kzinti and Tnuctip
are related species, then there are Tnuctip spies among the Kzinti.  By
now they will have a Fifth Man-Kzin War going, probably.
 
					XI
 
	Third piece of the problem comes by straight extrapolation.  The
Tnuctipun didn't interfere with Shaeffer's life, throughout 250 years or
more, because he could testify to the Core explosion.  But Truesdale
might have seen through that hoax.  So the Tnuctipun sent assassins.
	Shaeffer turns back toward known space.  On the way he turns all of the
slowboat's crew of fifty or so, except for those too old, into protector
stage humans.  (He doesn't need tree of life, he needs only a culture of
stage humans.  (He doesn't need tree of life, he needs only a culture of
the virus, and that's in his own body.  A little biochemical work does
it.)
	He does not expect the Tnuctipun to attack in hyperdrive!  But then
they aren't expecting fifty protectors playing games with gravity
generators.  Humans would expect use of a gravity generator in
hyperspace to destroy the ship at once; but that hoax is obvious as soon
as the attacking ships appear.
 
					XII
 
	Eight years after leaving known space, Shaeffer's band returns.
There's no Fifth Man-Kzin War going.  The Tnuctipun tried that and
failed.  Now they're attacking throughout known space with half a dozen
slave races.  The Kzinti Empire (second most powerful among the Good
Guys) is paralyzed by Tnuctipun among them, and distrusted by their
allies because some Tnuctip corpses have been recovered from attacking
ships.  Shaeffer leaves a team to clear that up, with the Grog to point
out the ringers.  He goes to war.
 
					XIII
 
	Before it's over, we'll need billions of human protectors.  It's a
Flash Gordon/E.E. Smith war, with superior Tnuctip technology battling
tools and weapons worked up on the spot by a billion Dr. Zarkovs.  To
Outsiders those same new inventions are money; will they sell us the
location of the Tnuctipun?
	If they don't it can be deduced.  The Tnuctipun are among the stars of
the galactic rim.  The Core explosion hoax was to drive millions of
refugee ships right to their tables.  Of course the Puppeteers avoided
that; they drove their fleet up along the galactic axis, and none but
the suicidal ever boarded a spacecraft at all.
	So we come to the final phase, as Shaeffer's legions bring the war to
the enemy.
 
	I'm not strongly tempted to write this story.  The scale of things near
the end gets bigger than I like.  There are too few human characters
involved.  And there's one assumption I don't like.
	The Long Shot spacecraft was used in Ringworld and it worked.
	What do we have to assume?  Either that Ringworld was never written in
this universe, or that the Puppeteers modelled their hoax on something
they were only then developing, and they later finished the job.
	Hey, that could be interesting after all.  After the Tnuctipun are
finally exterminated, after things settle down in known space, someone
finally takes a Quantum II hyperdrive ship toward the hub of the galaxy.
And he finds that the galactic core is exploding.
 
					END

This is really entertaining!!  It explains so mucn in such an unexpected way.
I agree with Niven that the scale of the war at the end is not the sort of
thing he tends to do.  Maybe with Pournelle's help...

	Where did this come from, anyway? Is Niven on ARPAnet, or did someone
	type the text in? It'd be a real gas to get Niven and Hogan and
	maybe a few others accessing this notesfile!

I think that Niven (and Pournelle) have occasionally popped onto ARPANet, but
it's very unlikely that they'd be able to access the notesfiles on the DEC ENet.
I don't understand exactly what the story is with "Down in Flames" appearing on
the ARPANet, but I assume that since it isn't something that Niven intends for
professional publication, and its original publication is rather obscure (an old
fanzine named TRUMPET -- edited by the late sf author Tom Reamy, by the way),
that Niven has allowed the thing to be entered on-line and distributed through
the computer networks.

---jayembee (Jerry Boyajian)

Pournelle spends a good amount of time in both USENET and ARPANET discussions.
It's not a question of "popping up". He's a regular.

		bob wyman

	There's an article in this month's OMNI about Murray Turoff at NJIT;
	he's got a network called EIES. It sounds a lot like the ENET, but
	public - and the article claims that DEC has an access. Several
	authors, including Pournelle, are listed as being users.

	Niven has a close relationship with DEC - he's spoken at a couple of
	field meetings (I don't know why) - I met him briefly at a regional
	meeting near Sandusky, Ohio. He was liquored up and looking for
	a party at the time - but then, if you've ever been to a software
	services meeting, you'd be wise to get liquored up, too.

	Does anyone know how to access our account at NJIT/EIES?

Re .5: Check out the GATEWAYS Notes file (spec coming...)

I don't think EIES is a network.  It is a single machine you dial
into.  More or less NOTES plus a SHELF/NOTARY.

	Very enjoyable.

	Being more than a little cynical, I wonder if it is an 'artifact'.  
Can anyone document the origin and history of this story?

    This just appeared in a new collection of Niven excerpts called "N
    SPACE." Apparently it *is* authentic. Interestingly, Niven omits the
    final bit about how he won't write this book because the ending gets so
    big and battle-strewn.
    
    N SPACE is mostly excerpts from existing stories, along with some of
    the shorties like "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex." There are a couple
    new ones, though: one set in the "Integral Trees" environment, and one
    Known Space tale which centers on the how the ARM makes use of paranoid
    schizophrenics to stand alert to threats, esp. with respect to these
    big orange cats (Kzin).
    
    - Hoyt

    I've recently seen a pair of books out called Man Kzin Wars II and III,
    created by Larry Niven. And I'd like to know about Man Kzin Wars I. I'm
    assuming that that was not it's actual title... but I'd like to read
    the background and then go on to the II and III books.
    
    Where can I find this?
    
    Cheers!
    
    Charlie

   I believe that the actual title is just "The Man/Kzin Wars".  It's a good
book, where Larry explains why he's having others write in his universe.

   It's disappointing to see so little, when I first started reading Known
Space, there seemed to be so much, now I wish he could turn out a dozen
books or so...

					-mjg

    In one of the Known Space books, LN states that if you want more Known
    Space stories, go ahead and write them yourself. I'd be delighted to
    participate in a project like this. Anybody game?
    
    - Hoyt