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Title:Arcana Caelestia
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5.0. "Wolfe's Book of the New Sun" by NACHO::LYNCH () Fri Dec 16 1983 11:14

I am currently reading "The Citadel of the Autarch", Volume 4 of Gene Wolfe's
"Book of the New Sun". There is mention in the author's biography in the
back of the book that Wolfe is working on another novel dealing with the
same period ("Urth of the New Sun"?)...Anyone have any word on this book?
I've never seen it in any bookstores.

-- Bill

PS: After I finish this volume, I'd like to get reactions from others who
have read it. From what I've seen in SFL, you either love it (I do) or
hate it!
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5.1ABLE::DUGGANThu Jan 12 1984 13:176
	I was entranced with the book. I did not appreciate the plot as much
the first time through ( I read the tetralogy twice (so far!)) as I was 
amazed and gratified by the writing style. I did not know people could still
string words together like that.
	...I know nothing about the new book but i'll guarantee that I'll buy
it!
5.2NACHO::LYNCHThu Jan 12 1984 17:564
Someone replied to my posting to SF-LOVERS that Wolfe's new book has now
been titled "Castle of the Otter", reason unknown. It has been finished
but not published yet.
5.3BACH::PIERSONFri Jan 13 1984 16:014
Castle of the Otter is a collection of essays about the Tetrology, writing
it, etc.  I've got it from the book club.

						dan
5.4RAVEN1::HOLLABAUGHWed Jan 18 1984 15:499
The reason for the title is that some critic or someone in writing about the 
Citadel of the Autarch thouroughly screwed up and thought it was the Castle 
of the Otter.  Wolfe loved it.  So when he was looking for a title for the 
collection of essays....
   The information courtesy of the Book review in Science Fiction and Fantasy
Magazine. (The review was quite favorable I seem to remember.  It's been at
least two months since I read it.)

tlh
5.5NACHO::LYNCHMon Jan 23 1984 11:528
re: .3:

You are correct. Subsequent postings to SFL have identified CotO as a
collection of essays by Wolfe on writing the series. UotNS is still planned
as the fifth book in the series.

-- Bill
5.6BABEL::BISHOPFri Jul 27 1984 06:183
"Castle of the Otter" is not really worth getting: it's mostly Wolfe
saying how great he is.
				-jkb
5.7Good StuffRAIN::WELCHSuk 'em!Fri Jul 01 1988 18:324
    	I read the tet when the books first came out - and loved it.
     I can't even remember much of the plot now, but i'll be sure to
    buy the next book when it comes out.  does anybody know when that
    will be?
5.8DEADLY::REDFORDUser-fiendlyFri Jul 01 1988 20:444
    It's already out in hardback.  It's called "The Urth of the New 
    Sun" and describes Severian's interstellar adventures.  There 
    should be a paperback version out soon.
    /jlr
5.9now in comic formRGB::REDFORDSun Mar 31 1991 20:2023
    A comic-book series of "The Shadow of the Torturer" has just
    started to come out.  I picked up the first issue, and it's
    beautifully done.  Wolfe has script supervision.  One of the nice
    asides in the novel, though, is ruined when you see it drawn:
    
    "...After I had walked at least a league among these enigmatic
    paintings one day, I came upon an old man perched on a high
    ladder.  I wanted to ask my way, but he seemed so absorbed in his
    work that I hesitated to disturb him.
    
    The picture he was cleaning showed an armored figure standing in
    a desolate landscape.  It had no weapon, but held a staff bearing
    a strange, stiff banner.  The visor of this figure's helmet was
    entirely of gold, without eye slits or ventilation; in its
    polished surface the deathly desert could be seen in reflection,
    and nothing more."
    
    Overall, though, the comic captures the eerie and archaic flavor
    of Severian's dying Earth.  I'm glad - I consider "The Book of
    the New Sun" to be the best fantasy of the Eighties, and I
    wouldn't want it spoiled for new readers.
    
    /jlr
5.10I suppose I should read itPOLAR::LACAILLEYFM-350 the real Ultimate WarriorTue Apr 16 1991 19:006
	I guess my brother liked this so much he named his son after
	its main character...Severian.


	Charlie
5.11btwPOLAR::LACAILLEYFM-350 the real Ultimate WarriorTue Apr 16 1991 19:106

	Does someone out there have the names of the first four
	volumes?

	Charlie
5.12TECRUS::REDFORDTue Apr 16 1991 21:1411
    re: .-1
    
    The five books are
    "The Shadow of the Torturer" (now very hard to find in hardback)
    "The Claw of the Conciliator"
    "The Sword of the Lictor"
    "The Citadel of the Autarch"
    "The Urth of the New Sun"
    
    There's also a related book about the series called "The Castle
    of the Otter".
5.13Out of print?CVG::CAMPANELLACarpe DiemTue Sep 28 1993 02:0512
    Of these books, I can only find the last.  Does anyone know if they're
    out of print?  Both Barnes & Noble and B. Dalton in Manchester NH can't
    find them in their listings.  Perhaps someone could suggest an
    alternative location?  I'd like to read them in order.
    
    "The Shadow of the Torturer"	1980
    "The Claw of the Conciliator"	1981
    "The Sword of the Lictor"		1982
    "The Citadel of the Autarch"	1983
    "The Urth of the New Sun"		1987 (I have this one)
    
    						Michael
5.14my copies aren't for sale ;-)QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyTue Sep 28 1993 13:256
I assume they checked their "Books in Print" references?  If they are indeed
out of print, you might try cruising the used book stores.  Or try the
Science Fiction Bookstore (or whatever the official name of it is) in 
Harvard Square.

PeterT
5.15UsedCVG::CAMPANELLACarpe DiemTue Sep 28 1993 13:546
    I called Pocketbooks customer service number (800-223-2348), and some
    are out of print, while others are just not in stock (but not out of
    print yet).  It looks like the used book stores are my best bet. 
    Thanks.
    
    					Michael
5.16REGENT::BROOMHEADDon't panic -- yet.Tue Sep 28 1993 15:493
    S.F. Book Club?
    
    					Ann B.
5.17Nightside/Lake of the Long SunJVERNE::KLAESBe Here NowTue Apr 05 1994 15:19180
Article: 549
From: ansible@cix.compulink.co.uk (David Langford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.reviews
Subject: Gene Wolfe review: Nightside the Long Sun, Lake of the Long Sun
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 1994 01:18:53 GMT
Organization: not specified
 
%A Gene Wolfe
%T Nightside the Long Sun
%I New English Library
%C London
%D 1993
%G 0-450-59405-X
%P 333pp
%S The Book of the Long Sun (alias Starcrosser's Planetfall)
%V Book 1
%O hardback UKP 15.99
 
%A Gene Wolfe
%T Lake of the Long Sun
%I Tor
%C New York
%D Jan 1994
%G 0-312-85494-3
%P 352pp
%S The Book of the Long Sun (alias Starcrosser's Planetfall)
%V Book 2
%O hardback $22.95
 
reviewed by Dave Langford
 
[A version of this review appeared in the British SF Association's 
magazine VECTOR.]
 
One problem with reviewing Gene Wolfe is that often there's so little to 
say that isn't trespassing -- peeling away at least some of his veils of 
sneakiness and indirection. Another is that with only the first two books 
of a new series to hand, critics can confidently expect a gleefully 
grinning Wolfe to pull the rug from under any too-rash understanding of 
what's going on....
 
As far as I can see, it is not actually stated anywhere in _Nightside_'s 
text that the setting, the `whorl', is a vast generation starship 
modelled like a cylindrical space colony (or like Clarke's Rama), with 
its artificial `long sun' running down the central axis. Part of this 
emerges in the blurb -- which after all has to tell us _something_ -- and 
the picture will soon be evident to any sf reader used to picking up on 
clues like the skylands visible overhead when the sun is shaded, or the 
scavenged building material called shiprock. And does `whorl' hint at 
cloud patterns shaped by Coriolis force down the long axial vista? Pay 
attention! (I made that tiny speculation before reading _Lake_, which 
explicitly gives another though not incompatible origin for the name.)
 
This new sequence _The Book of the Long Sun_ is set `in the world of _The 
Book of the New Sun_' ... but remotely and not near the period we know. 
The whorl's launch is ancient history in the _Book_, its presumably 
slower-than-light technology long superseded by the mirrors and ships of 
the Hierodules. As though in passing, _Lake_ drops the name of the 
autarch who once ruled many worlds and ordered the launch of this 
`starcrosser': we have met him in _The Sword of the Lictor_ and _The Urth 
of the New Sun_, after which his mere name adds a whiff of gigantic 
vanity and hubris to the star-voyage. That allusion apart, it is not 
necessary to have read the four or five books of the _Book_.
 
Now, three centuries on, the whorl's launch is forgotten history in this 
new series too ... a venerable sf tradition since Heinlein's _Universe_ 
(though here longer and variously reliable memories are owned by certain 
AIs and robots -- called `chemical' beings or `chems', for all that they 
appear to be metallic and nuclear-powered). Equipment is dying with age. 
Dwindling stocks of old-technology slug-guns, `floater' hovercars and 
videophones coexist with swords, pack animals, labour-intensive farming. 
The gods -- whose nature is best indicated by the fact of their heaven 
being called Mainframe -- appear only very rarely at the windows of the 
electronic altars. The whorl is already old.
 
Perhaps necessarily, the setting doesn't at first seem as deep and 
wondrous as Urth in the _Book_. But this is Wolfe, and things are subtler 
than the easy sf summation above. When the new books' hero Patera Silk, 
teacher and priest, is touched by a god, it is not one of the nine chief 
gods of Mainframe who gives him enlightenment and purpose, but the 
shadowy (though known and accepted) Outsider. There is mystery here, and 
probably Mystery ... we are given to understand that the Outsider is the 
only god whose dominion and creation extend outside the whorl; and that 
once, incarnated, he may have driven merchants from a temple. Is it 
significant that for a little while before violence intervenes in the 
final chapter of _Lake_, Silk finds himself heading for acclaim in his 
home city and about to enter it on a donkey?
 
Silk is a new and likeable variant of the Wolfe hero, seen from outside 
in third-person rather than first-person narrative (cf. Severian, Latro) 
for a change. He's truly devout and even celibate despite some severe 
temptations so far ... yet ready to turn his hand to burglary _ad majorem 
deorum gloriam_ when his church and school are sold off to pay taxes. 
Silk's bravura attempt to steal them back forms the centrepiece of 
_Nightside_. The whorl's nightside refers to its criminal underworld as 
well as the darkness under the long sun's revolving shade, and there's 
some nice thieves' cant to go with this: as expected from this author, 
the more esoteric terms like `dimber' (meaning approximately `nifty') can 
be traced to authentic English historical slang. In the cant, to burgle a 
residence is -- precisely but euphemistically -- to `solve' it.
 
So we shortly find the young, bright, resourceful and entirely 
inexperienced Silk solving a crime-lord's mansion which is surrounded by 
high, spiked walls and guarded by a monstrous, tracked killer robot 
(`talus'), oversized lynxes and birds, novel weapons, etc. People have 
banged on so much about Wolfe's elusiveness, his games of indirection, 
that it's worth noting how frequent, well-crafted and straightforward are 
the passages of high adventure or suspense.
 
Our hero is also capable of solving problems in the detective sense, like 
Father Brown. (Little ratiocinative treats keep recurring in this 
author's work: remember the lochage in _The Shadow of the Torturer_ who 
deduces Severian to be no impostor but a genuine torturer, without 
hearing him speak or looking up from his desk?) Later in _Nightside_ Silk 
unravels a murder in a brothel, uses knowledge painfully gleaned from his 
earlier adventures to tackle a case of almost literal demonic possession, 
conducts a ritual cleansing and exorcism, and is rewarded by a numinous 
encounter with one of the lesser Mainframe goddesses.
 
All these strange activities appear to be having a catalytic effect on 
Silk's home city of Viron, one of very many city-states in the whorl, 
whose democratic Charter has long been suspended along with the office of 
president or `calde' [acute accent on the e]. Instead, a bunch of 
evidently corrupt councillors (the Ayuntamiento) has held on to power for 
a period which seems not merely illegal but impossible. There are 
whispers in the streets, and by the end of _Nightside_ the words _Silk 
for Calde_ are appearing scrawled on walls....
 
_Lake of the Long Sun_ illuminates much of what has gone before, with the 
new light casting longer and darker shadows. Further theophanies occur. 
This time Silk's journey to the underworld is literal: searching for the 
secret meeting-place of the Ayuntamiento, he finds himself ensnared and 
lost in endless tunnels within the skin of the whorl, down where it's 
colder and closer to space. Here we find the chem soldiers who were 
placed to defend each city against the others, most `asleep', those on 
guard worrying that after three centuries the defence plans may no longer 
suffice: more wheels within wheels.
 
The underworld also contain humans in biological stasis. Devotees of the 
_Book_ will wonder if it's important that Silk, already lame like 
Severian, helps call a `dead' woman from the deeps of time as Severian 
did.... Other mysteries and wonders abound, including a window through 
which Silk at last sees stars and one brief dazzling glimpse of what must 
surely be, for him and all the whorl's passengers, the New Sun. There are 
confrontations with members of the Ayuntamiento. We have seemingly come 
to the brink of revolution and war, with portions of Viron's above-ground 
human army -- prodded in some cases by the electronic goddess who most 
favours Silk -- hailing him as leader. The next book is to be called 
_Calde of the Long Sun_.
 
I haven't even mentioned the still unexplained case of apparent 
vampirism, the secular rationale for possession by gods, the 
too-obvious-to-see system of naming which is demurely revealed in a 
glossary at the beginning of _Lake_, the talking night-chough, the thief, 
whore and other-city spy who variously befriend Silk, the highly-charged 
dreams and prophecies, the flying men who glide watchfully far above the 
action (and the subplot about hawking for one with an eagle), the 
submarine in Lake Limna, the careful delineation of the three females who 
run the church school with Silk (one human, one chem, one half-and-half), 
the ultra-black joke when one of those `corrupt' councillors proves to be 
_literally_ so, the inevitable discovery that the tokens used as coins in 
the whorl are not coins, and much more. These books read so very smoothly 
that one feels a distinct jolt on looking back to realize how thoroughly 
crammed they are with colourful invention and incident.
 
Wolfe's prose remains fine and precise. There's a temptation to remark 
that it contains fewer of the deep notes, the magical resonances and 
ironies that throb through the original _Book_ ... but many of those 
moments of the _Book_ went unrecognized or half-understood until the 
entire work was available for rereading as a whole. _The Book of the Long 
Sun_ remains maddeningly incomplete.
 
So far: vintage Wolfe, indeed. His hand has not lost its cunning. Be sure 
to buy the whole series.
 
[Ends]
 
David Langford
ansible@cix.compulink.co.uk