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Title:Conference for Non-Harley Motorcycles
Notice:For Sale in 2 and 3, Wanted in 9
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Thu May 07 1987
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1374
Total number of notes:16669

1364.0. "Way to spray" by WARFUT::CHEETHAMD () Tue Feb 11 1997 07:24

    Anyone out there familiar with the black arts of paint spraying care to
    offer some advice? I've been trying to spray some fibreglass parts,
    using cellulose paint. After I have sprayed the paint holes appear in
    it back to the original gel coat. I've been told by a professional
    painter that this is probably caused by the silicone compound used as a
    mould release agent. If this is the case my question is how do you
    remove the stuff. I've rubbed the parts down very thoroughly using wet
    and dry paper lubricated by soap and water, but still no good. Any one
    else seen this problem? Suggestions welcome.
    
                           Dennis
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1364.1elbow grease and:WOTVAX::BALLFTue Apr 08 1997 10:516
    Try using cellulose thinners and then rubbing down and re-cleaning with
    the thinners. The process may need to be repeated several times.
    I did and the result wasn't to bad.
    regards 
    Fred. 
    
1364.2So much to know and do...so little time and moneyMKOTS3::J_GALLAGHERTue Apr 08 1997 17:5638
    Yep, there's silicone, old wax, or your air is full of water and oil.
    Do you have a proper water and oil separator unit in your air line? 
    
    Also, why are you spraying color directly onto the gel coat?  The
    surface needs to be prepared and primed before putting on any new coat 
    of paint on it.  Paint doesn't typically stick to smooth, dirty 
    surfaces...not for long, anyway.
    
    The surface has to be prepared by wiping down with enamel reducer
    chased by a clean, lint-free cloth while it's still wet, sanding, blowing
    off with clean, oil/water free air then wiping down with enamel 
    reducer again.  THEN you're ready to prime and repaint on a smooth,
    clean surface that won't let go of the primer and paint.
    
    Hint: Prep Solv, Pre Kleeno, or Acryl Solv etc. do NOT make good
    oil/wax removing agents... they're good for removing tar and road film
    but too oily themselves as a direct surface washer prior to painting.
    Lacquer thinner is not much better either for painting purposes unless
    you're putting on gloppy old plain oil-based enamel.
    
    Take a look at the "Spray Booths" and painting notes in the regular bike
    notes files for more detailed descriptions on techniques.
    
    Also, there are literally 100's of different paint types and systems
    to use depending on the useage, surface type etc.  E.G. you don't use
    the same materials over aluminum, steel, fibreglass, or plastics.
    
    "Cellulose" is also a big category of paints all by itself... do you
    mean Nitro-Cellulose Lacquer?  Not a great choice for a vehicle because
    it's relatively delicate and doesn't stand up to weather well. 
    But it sure is pretty.  However, it's not REEEL pretty until you have 
    about 10 hand rubbed coats of it which takes an ARTIST with YEARS of 
    experience to do.  I know because I have a vehicle painted with it and
    it's a pain in the butt.
    
    My advice:  If you're not equipped with either the tools or knowledge
    to paint the parts, have 'em done by someone who's been doing it for
    years...a boat dealer can tell you who does that kinda work.
1364.3thanksWARFUT::CHEETHAMDWed Apr 16 1997 12:275
    Thanks for the replies. Reason I'm spraying directly onto gel-coat is
    to save a little weight, it's a race bike.
     
                               Dennis