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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 03 1992
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Number of topics:680
Total number of notes:5456

181.0. "Been Working Here Too Long" by VAXUUM::DYER () Wed Dec 04 1985 14:52

	    For a while, Desperado had a series of "Been Working Here
	Too Long" articles.  I've saved them all and now I'm putting
	them here.
	    Does anybody else have stories like this to tell?
			<_Jym_>

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From: KZIN::BRIGGS       "Richard Briggs, ECSSE, UK"

	I began to suspect a friend of mine had been in the business too
	long when he became convinced that a job advertised in the
	computer press which gave a salary of '10K pounds' a year would
	actually result in '10240 pounds' a year. 

	I'm still not sure whether he had a point or not and THAT is what
	worries me!!
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From: MARIAH::KRANTZ       "Joe Krantz"

there was the day my battery went dead, and my odometer read 65535...
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From: ROYAL::RAVAN       

Every now and then I find myself trying to CTRL/S the television
set to stop the credits from scrolling when I want to get a better
look at them ... Since I got my video recorder this syndrome has
been replaced by one in which I try to fast-forward through commercials
even when I'm watching real-time TV.

-Beth Ravan
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From: DELPHI::HUNZIKER     "THE BOVINE MS. H"

I have two small items to contribute to the I've-been-doing-this-for-too-long
list.  First, I have noticed that when I look at non-vanity license plates,
part of me tries to figure out what mnemonic/acronym stands for.  Second,
I have told friends who don't work here to send me mail.

*Susan
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From: EAYV01::THOMSON      "Ayteeh"

I've woken my wife up in the middle of the night by using her
back as a keyboard.
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From: ROYAL::AITEL       

My real estate agent sent her husband to fill in for her at our house
inspection.  I greeted him with the comment, "So you're the logical JUDY
today?"....

He said, "You work with computers, don't you."
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From: EVE::RUZICH       "Bird lives"

Back in the dark ages, when I was writing COBOL for a Univac Spectra 70 (nee
RCA) in Chicago, the ace on the EDP staff was a fellow named Jim Gazzoli. I
forget if we called them abends or dumps, but if your program crapped out, Jim
was the person to bring in. 

Jim was balancing the family checkbook once when he wife looked over his
shoulder and saw things like "5D1" in the balance column.  She asked what in
the world he was doing.

He was subtracting in hex, of course.
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From: OPUS::BIBEAULT     "Mike Bibeault"

One family-type night while playing PassWord (we usually play a game of
ten rounds) I look down on the score sheet to find that I have numbered
the rounds from 0 to 7...
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From: ASGMKA::NEILSEN     

But obsessive behavior of the type you are looking for is also one of my 
fortes. Following a nightmarish two months of debugging some vintage 
spaghetti, I finally got to the point where I could run the production job 
that used this code. You can imagine the state the system was in, if a 
critical production job had been unable to run for two months. You can 
imagine the state I was in if I had been trying to make it run for two months.
You can imagine the state I was in after looking at the kind of code that 
takes two months to debug. (Somebody invoke the Mann Act.) But anyway! The 
night my poor system was finally gittin' it, I dreamed I was the 
program under discussion, and executed each and every line of that code 
for each and every record, personally lifting and carrying each record and 
putting it on some sort of virtual shelf. But the job ran successfully that 
night and ever since.
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From: DOSADI::BINDER       "Do not adjust your set..."
 
I don't know if he'll appreciate my telling this one, but MARVIN::GASCOIGNE
related to me a true "in the business too long" adventure.  This one would
presuppose acquaintance with 8080 or similar assembler syntax; it seems he
was tootling down the motorway when he almost collided with the car in front
of him because he was trying to render into decimal the legend on the licence
plate it bore, which read:
		E008H
Cheers,
Dick
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From: GRDIAN::LEVINE       "Randy Levine"

This is a management version of the being in this business too long blues:

Last summer I was inquiring of one of the engineers that works for
me the reason for a certain bug in a piece of field test software.
The answer was that some buffer or other was too short by 1024 bytes.
My response, without hesitation, was "OK, fine."  It occurred to
me not long afterward that if he had said that something was off
by 1000 bytes I would not have been nearly as understanding and 
I would have wondered to myself about this person's skill level.

But I have come to accept all powers of 2 as magic numbers.  In this
business any power of 2 seems to explain anything.  If your indirect 
address is off by 1024 or 512 bytes, that's understandable.  But if 
it's off by 1020, that's just stupid.

I tried using this once on my management (something about slipping
by 32 days), but it didn't work.
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From: ARUBA::BRENNER      "Ellen, HLO2-2/K13 225-5586"

Glad to read about that fellow balancing his checkbook in hex...when I was a 
puppy programmer nursemaiding a much-abused RT-11 system in a college 
hydraulics lab, I got to the point where I was toggling in the dozen-or-so 
words of octal to start up the paper-tape bootstrap purely from memory, and I 
began to fear I'd be balancing my checkbook in octal. Always teased myself with 
the question of whether doing so would be inflationary or deflationary.
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From: SIVA::WARBURTON    "Jo Anne Warburton"

When I write anything ending with a colon (ex. "Attn:") I always use two of 
'em!

I can't refer to Cuisinarts and the like without calling them "word 
processers" first.

Sigh.
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From: CACHE::BUCH         "Bruce Buch  DTN 237-3253"
 
The bizarre memory associations resulting from "being in the business
too long" can be used to one's advantage...  I tend to remember phone
numbers, addresses, etc. by associating them with the generic part
numbers of familiar chips.  For example,
 
  my sister's phone number is conveniently remembered as:
 
	"octal register with clear - CMOS microprocessor"
 
  my father-in-law's number is:
 
	"Dual preamp - quad bilateral switch"
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181.2AKOV68::NORRISThu Dec 05 1985 13:135
	I once put a note in the sports note file and the subject was
	softball. Everytime I typed softball it came out software. I
	almost did it twice in writing this.

Ed
181.3SPRITE::OSMANThu Dec 05 1985 13:166
I've often misdialed a phone number and look for the "Rubout" key.

Also on the phone, I've often wanted TOPS20's "?" key or VMS's "HELP" command,
to see what the features are.

/Eric
181.4SPRITE::OSMANThu Dec 05 1985 13:186
Don't worry, you're not quite off the deep end, though, until you start
replacing natural moans with three-word utterances such as

	"asterisk sigh asterisk".

/Eric
181.5VAXUUM::DEVRIESThu Dec 05 1985 16:2820
1) (Referring to previous entries) A friend of mine kept her checkbook in
   octal for a whole month.  (That seems to me more disruptive than hex,
   because if you "wake up" after doing hex, you probably have some 
   non-numeric codes laying around.)

2) At a previous employment, where I made lots of withdrawals from the
   credit union by phone, I sometimes ( >1) set out to call the credit
   union (a simple "2225"), and got my wife instead (12 digits and one
   state away).  Sigh.

3) I once was assigned to patch an unfamiliar program on behalf of a
   foreign-born co-worker who had worked all night and left a note of
   the desired patch;  a courier was waiting to whisk away the corrected
   floppy to a GSA demo in Washington.  I quickly entered the patch, and
   the courier took away the disk before I could even load it to see if it
   worked.

   So of course, it failed at GSA.
   Why?  I had misread his European notation for one of the digits.  
   Where?  At this hex address:  BAD
181.6REX::MINOWThu Dec 05 1985 18:494
It's rumored that, in some of our products, "PARMENTER" is an
acceptable alternate spelling of "PARAMETER".

Martin.
181.7GOLLY::GILBERTThu Dec 05 1985 23:4712
On a VT52, the gold key would send an <ESC>P, so pressing it twice would
cause the P command to be executed, and P was a symbol to show the date/time.
Many's the time, while driving (or whatever) when I'd reach out and hit
a non-existant gold key twice to see what time it was.

When VT100s came out, <ESC>OP was sent instead, but I was a VT52 hold-out,
and never defined an OP command.  After hitting the non-existant gold key
twice, I'd realize I was using someone else's VT100, poise my hands to
type P <RET>, glance down at the non-existant keyboard, and finally discover
there was no keyboard!

My wife eventually gave me a watch, and made me wear it.
181.8VAXUUM::DYERFri Dec 06 1985 16:514
	    [RE .6]:  That's because Tom Parmenter was a writer for the
	RSX group.  I think.  Now he's defected to another company.
	    My group has kidnapped his son, though.
			<_Jym_>
181.9HARE::BUTENHOFFri Dec 06 1985 18:0310
        The story is that Tom Parmenter and an RSX developer (my
        memory says Brian McCarthy, but it's not necessarily
        trustworthy) had a long "discussion" over the correct
        abbreviation for a qualifier.  The developer did it his way,
        but also put in /Parm[enter] for Tom...
        
        That's the story (second or third hand).  The truth may be
        even stranger...
        
        	/dave
181.10SKYLAB::FISHERFri Dec 06 1985 18:596
re .9

PARM is also the IBM JCL standard abbreviation for Parameter.

Burns

181.11STOLI::FONSECASat Dec 07 1985 19:2522
I used to share a house with 2 other computer types, and the favourite phrase
to find out if the one of the other guys were busy was to say:
	"What state are you in?"
Well of course the reply (Handshake :-) would be
	"Well I'm in the null state..."


I also find that I am now much more likely to use the word 'queue' the way
the British do instead of line...

The performance artist Laurie Anderson (not Launi) has done quite a few
pieces using computereze.  A part I always chuckle over goes like this:
	We talked mostly about her boyfriend.  This guy was
	never in a bad mood.  He was in a bad mode.
	Modey kind of guy.
	The romance was apparently kind of rocky and she kept
	saying: "Man oh man you know like it's so digital" She
	just meant the relationship was on again off again.


I too have had program dreams from overwork.  In the dream I am a pointer
and all the links are broken.... 
181.12LATOUR::AMARTINMon Dec 09 1985 01:5711
When I first went to college (at Stevens Institute), two systems programmers
(Bob McQueen (RCM) and Nick Bush) spent a lot of time frantically reworking the
second version of Sitgo, a PDP-10 student Fortran compiler.  It had been
sold to DEC, but it wasn't working as the time to turn it over approached.
They were often heard to exclaim about superfluous code they discovered during
debugging, "That can go away".  RCM was the staff programmer, and my immediate
supervisor.

Once I had a nightmare where RCM pointed at me and said to Nick,
			"That can go away".
				/AHM
181.13JOET::JOETWed Dec 11 1985 12:3211
         When the computer music studio at Clark University had just
         been completed, we found that the bare walls in the little
         room made the sound too harsh and figured that we needed to
         put some sound absorbing material up to compensate.  After
         spending over 10 hours attaching egg cartons to the walls, we
         listened to some test tones.  I turned to the student acting
         as my lab assistant and unthinkingly said, "OK, let's see
         what it sounds like the other way, again."  He replied, "Joe,
         those are NOT virtual egg cartons."
         
         -joet 
181.14HITECH::BLOTCKYThu Feb 27 1986 12:326
When going to school (at MIT) we used to go downstairs to the pantry after 
studying all night to get "tea and toast".  One night, one of the guys came 
back upstairs and announced that we couldn't have toast. "The toaster is down" 
he said.

Steve
181.15ComputerLeesVAXUUM::DYERBrewer - PatriotFri Apr 04 1986 14:10114
	    Here's a definite example of "been workin' here too long"
	syndrome, from the SQM::ZK conference.  Remarks in {curly
	braces} are added by yours truly.
			<_Jym_>
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Note 26.0                        ComputerLees                         No replies
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	Introduction
	------------

	Will Lees is back from school and I thought that this
	would be a perfect opportunity to congratulate him
	on a job well done; for Will has composed, single
	handedly, a brand new dialect of speech that I like
	to refer to as 'ComputerLees'.

	The following is a collection of priceless utterances
	collected during the many years that I've know Will.
	By studying these examples, you too will be able to
	carry on an intelligent conversation with Will.


	Will's use of Logical Name Tables
	---------------------------------

	First, let's get some of the basics straight. You see Will
	has his own logical name table. Translating these logical
 	names is the key to 25% of ComputerLees. Here's an example.

		"Let's stop off at PS:".

	In this example, Will has used the logical name "PS" for
	the nearby Purity Supreme Supermarket. Will will actually
	say "Pee Ess Colon" so don't be caught off guard. Will has
	also been known to include people's names. A quick example
	is "JP:" for John Prestidge. Remember, he says "Jay Pee Colon".
	(I kid you not.)

	{PS: is inspired by a logical name used on WPI's DECsystem-20.
	It means "public structure" or some such, and refers to the
	disk where all the students' files reside.  We called it "Pee
	Ess Colon."  Will refers to me as either JYM: (Jym Colon) or
	DYER: (Dyer Colon).}

	Will's use of Control Keys
	--------------------------

	Will has complete mastery of the Control Functions and he 
	expects you to understand them and *react* to them as quickly
	as his keyboard does.

	Just the other day, Will and I were walking along the corridors
	of ZK and he started to fall behind me for some reason. All of
	a sudden I hear "Control S". Now the novice student of ComputerLees
	would more than likely get flustered at this phrase. But to one
	who has mastered the dialect, the request to 'stop walking' would
	be obvious. This "hold screen" or "stop scrolling" concept is
	used quite often by Will. Other instances of its use have occurred
	when his car was skidding on an icy road this winter.

	Will uses other Control Keys too. When the need arises for an
	immediate status report, Will simply says "Control T". When
	Will wants you to stop doing something, he says "Control C".
	Note that he doesn't say "Control Y". The reason for this is
	that the action is not to be continued later on.

	{"Control C" is also better understood by -20 hackers, whom Will
	has had to deal with at WPI.}

	Will's use of Interrupts
	------------------------

	On a related issue, when Will would like to interrupt your
	conversation with someone, but not terminate it, he will politely
	stand outside your office and say "AST". Once again, the novice
	would be at a loss, but a real master of ComputerLees would 
	simply accept the interrupt, walk outside and talk to Will, then
	upon completion, resume the original conversation. I must admit
	that there have been a few instance were I did not acknowledge
	Will's interrupting AST and to my surprise he was able to
	dequeue himself and send a mail message.

	{Will apparently uses a timeout.}

	Will's Words of Wisdom
	----------------------

	 o "The population density of a state can be directly determined
	    by the address space of its license plate"

	 o  "My girlfriend and I are no-longer in Kernel Mode"

	 o  "McDonald's is a lot like a computer. We each get in a queue,
	     waiting to be processed by the hamburger driver. When we
	     are finally ready, the HRP (hamburger request packet) is
	     placed on the counter and filled with the resources we requested.

	     Often there is a dead-lock condition over fries and burgers.
	     An even more frequently occurring condition is the RWAST, or
	     resource wait state, in which some poor soul is shuffled off
	     to the side waiting for a limited supply of Happy Meals.
	     Usually though, these conditions don't occur because of the
	     cache of burgers and fries. When your HRP is filled, you
	     can de-queue and consume the resources on your tray. As every
	     engineer knows, be sure to clean up after yourself too."


	In conclusion I'd just like to say that we all can carry on a
	conversation with Will. It's not that hard.

					 Control Z, - Ed
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181.16CANYON::HESTERMANScott HestermanThu Jul 03 1986 23:486
Have you ever tried to figure out how come the phone number
you just dialed didn't do anything, only to realize that
MA Bell only recognizes sequences entered on keypads
attached to the phones?  (Not VT100's!)

SLH
181.17Order countsSKYLAB::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Wed Jul 09 1986 16:5812
    Or did you ever try dialing a phone number assuming that the keypad
    on the phone was ordered
    
    	7 8 9
        4 5 6
        1 2 3
        0
    
    ?
    
    Burns
    
181.18re .17REX::MINOWMartin Minow, DECtalk EngineeringWed Jul 09 1986 20:185
No problem, if you're in Denmark where the phone buttons (sometimes)
run that way.

Martin.

181.19it can be donePHENIX::SMITHWilliam P.N. (Wookie::) SmithWed Jul 09 1986 21:478
    Actually, if you are reasonably careful, and good with a soldering
    iron, and own the phone, you can take apart the standard desk phones,
    move the buttons, swap a couple of wires around, and have a
    'calculator' style keyboard on your phone.  Just beware of the flames
    when someone asks to use the phone.  :+)
    
    Willie
    
181.20edit mix and master.. what happened to that 18 minutes.TBD::ZAHAREEI hate NotesThu Jul 17 1986 16:148
    re .0
    
    Hey, you forgot my recollection of expecting my car odometer to
    go from 67777 to 70000 on the way to the Mill one morning.
    
    Twit.
    
    - M
181.217 + 1 = 10LATOUR::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziFri Jul 18 1986 01:444
    I thought I was the only one who balanced his check book in octal
    :-) :-) :-).
    
    Mike
181.22Time to buy a PCHITECH::BLOTCKYFri Jul 25 1986 21:573
How about trying to type control-U to erase a line on a typewriter?

Steve
181.23Been in EDT too longCANYON::HESTERMANScott HestermanMon Jul 28 1986 18:402
How about trying to use EDT keypad functions on a DCL command line?
(delete right, cut/paste, undelete...)
181.24Try a hack called augment.SUBSYS::LAWLERN9910QTue Jul 29 1986 11:334
    re -.1  Try a hack called augment which provided EDT style
    command line editing back in the vms v3 days, and is still
    superior to the v4 editing functions...
    
181.25JargonCLOSET::DYERDefine `Quality'Tue Aug 26 1986 18:0247
	    Not ComputerLees (Reply #15), but along the same lines.
	This is from the Usenet.
			<_Jym_>
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Here are some of the terms I use. If people will send me their own
versions,  I  will summarize and post a jargon file update to the 
net.
 
TRISTATE
  As in:  "Shall we go to the movies, or go out to eat?" "Idunno, 
  you  decide." The second person is tristating,  or in  tristate 
  mode.
 
INTERRUPT
  What you say to change the subject briefly.
 
POPPING THE STACK
  Return  from  interrupt.  "Popping the stack,  you were  saying 
  that..."
 
MULTI-TASKING
  What you're doing when you're talking on the phone while  edit-
  ing a program,  and,  at the same time,  trying to discuss with 
  your wife what you want for dinner.
 
STACK OVERFLOW
  What  happens  when you're multi-tasking and a rug  rat  starts 
  pulling on your pants leg, demanding your attention.
 
DROPPING BITS
  What  causes  you to forget something you ought to be  able  to 
  remember. Analogous to mental bit rot.
 
LDIR
  Load-increment-and-repeat.  Same as BLT, or 'blit'. From Z80, a 
  memory move instruction. 
 
David Drexler
 
struct where {
     UUCP .... .. .. .. ihnp4!occrsh!gorgo!ddrex
     ARPA .... .. .. .. ihnp4!occrsh!gorgo!ddrex@berkeley.arpa
     USnail .. .. .. .. POB 1214  Bethany OK  73008
     FidoNet . .. .. .. Sysop, 147/1  (405) 728-2463 2400/1200/300
  /* The bbs for programmers & collectors of source code */
  /* NOT a UN*X/Fido gateway! */
} David_Drexler;
181.26Dialing too longSKYLAB::FISHERBurns Fisher 381-1466, ZKO1-1/D42Thu Aug 28 1986 20:156
    You know you have been using too many voice-response dial-in systems
    (like DCU and Investor Services) when you start typing # after a
    domestic phone number!
    
    Burns
    
181.27Trying to do two things at onceREGENT::MINOWMartin Minow -- DECtalk EngineeringThu Oct 09 1986 18:4510
So I was just taking a break, reading a journal article with
one hand, and scanning a notesfile with the other.

I saw something in the journal that I disagreed with, and started
to type REPLY/NOEXTRACT.

Guess I should get back to work.

Martin.

181.28It's a keyboard, isn't it?THEBAY::GOODMANPuzzling EvidenceFri Nov 07 1986 17:485
    Often when I play piano, I lose track of time.  When I come back
    to earth, I often find myself trying to type "SH DA" on the piano
    keyboard...
    
    Roy
181.29Stop reality, I want to replay it in slo-moTURRIS::AMARTINAlan H. MartinSat Nov 08 1986 13:254
After taping music off of the radio for long periods of time, I used
to want to pause the radio by hitting a Stop button.  The same goes
for VCRs and TVs.
				/AHM
181.30yes, i know the feelingIOSG::HORSFIELDjakc - the well-known typoSun Nov 09 1986 09:114
	i've tried to end a phone conversation (cordless phone)
	by pressing the off button on the tv remote control...
	
	jack 
181.31confusionPEANO::GLASERSteve Glaser DTN 226-7646 LKG1-2/A19Mon Nov 10 1986 05:2010
    When I was in college I worked for the confusion center (aka computer
    center).  The turkey that designed the offices had put all the staff
    offices on a public hallway.  Since we had confidential stuff in the
    offices (grade reports, etc.), we had to look our offices whenever we
    went anywhere (bathroom, down the hall to get a listing, etc.). Net
    effect was that you got real good at finding your key. 
    
    I didn't realize how ingrained this behaviour had become until one
    morning at about 3am I found myself standing if front of the
    refrigerator with my key out. 
181.32Everything around us is natural, Don't Fight it!ASIA::MCLEMANWe have reached Critical Mass, Sir!Mon Nov 10 1986 13:595
    Or try fast forwarding the commercials on real t.v. with the remote.
    :-)
    
    Jeff
    
181.33CLT::GILBERTeager like a childMon Nov 10 1986 17:235
    My TPU section file has control-backslash defined to flush all modified
    buffers to their output files (and attach to the parent process).

    Imagine my surprise when, after wiping in the privvy, I turned around
    and didn't even *see* a keyboard!
181.34been ccoding here too long3D::CHABOTBEEP GOES THE UNIVERSEFri Nov 14 1986 18:161
    I just tried to find "fprintf" in The American Heritage Dictionary.
181.35How typed is your language?NOBUGS::MOREAUKen MoreauSat Nov 15 1986 00:5314
My wife and I are trying to help our 16 month old daughter to become
bilingual, and so my wife speaks to her exclusively in Spanish, and I 
speak to her exclusively in English (I speak no Spanish at all).  Doing
this involves having both Spanish and English books around the house.

I was reading one of the Spanish books to my daughter the other night,
and my wife (after giggling over the story I was making up) told me that
one of the characters in the book (which I was referring to as a girl)
was actually a little boy.  I asked her how she knew this, and she pointed
out that all Spanish verbs have gender (male/female/neuter).

I responded, "Oh, I see, Spanish is a strongly typed language".

-- Ken Moreau
181.36Amazing how many times I see thisFROST::HARRIMANThe *ing *er's *ing *ed.Mon Nov 17 1986 17:596
    I was just cleaning up my directory. Amazing how many iterations
    of "FOOBAR" you can use! I found lots of FOO.* various sources,
    in different languages, DCL procedures, datafiles, even an account
    in SYSUAF! What a useful word!
    
    /pjh
181.37Number please?CURIE::EARLYWell it's about time!!Wed Nov 19 1986 02:2412
    Had a real problem with my phone ... constant dial tone. When you
    picked up the receiver the dial tone worked great, but didn't go
    away when you started dialing the number. Calls never went through,
    obviously. After several attempts at re-dialing, (during which time
    I find myself hanging up the phone with more and more vigor on each
    try), I decided the phone was OBVIOUSLY defective.
    
    I was about to storm into the next office and report this terrible
    inconvenience to telecom when I realized I had been dialing my
    calculator.
    
    
181.38VINO::RASPUZZIMichael RaspuzziWed Nov 19 1986 02:386
    re .37:
    
    Dialing your calculator!? That's a good one. I think I am going
    to open another Seagram's Golden Wine Cooler and toast to that!
    
    Mike
181.39horseshoesUSFHSL::FULLERF/S: When in doubt, swap it outMon Jan 12 1987 02:314
    When I was playing a game of Horseshoes a friend of mine asked which
    set of hosreshoes do I have?  I replied that I had the negative
    set of shoes.  I suppose any non-technical person would have repsonded
    that they had the minus set of horseshoes!
181.40power downsUSFHSL::FULLERF/S: When in doubt, swap it outMon Jan 12 1987 02:523
    Instead of saying turn off the T.V. set, I say "Please power down
    the T.V. set.  This usually results in dumb stares from untechnical
    persons.
181.41Isn't that what we'll call it???SKIVT::JARVISGarth JarvisMon Jan 12 1987 09:036
This weekend, I was reading the paper, and saw an ad for a Hot tub Spa.  I 
thought to myself, ah good, VPA and SPM are going to collect data and work 
together!  I just figured the product was going to be called SPA...  Luckily
a few pages later I realized my mistake.

-garth
181.42Channel 23 divided by Channel 13COMET::ROBERTSDwayne RobertsMon Jan 12 1987 14:473
    Ever reach for the TV remote control and find yourself pressing
    your calculator's keys?
    
181.43Machince code nightmares?MOTHRA::DUTKONestor Dutko, VMS/VAXclusters CSSEMon Jan 12 1987 15:077
    Gee, ever think that something has gone wrong with your car?  You
    know you've been working too hard when you drive along and glance
    down at you odometer, and a look of terror comes across your
    face as you see 177777 turn to 177778 instead of 200000?
    
    How about reading the license plates and reading into them the machine
    code (JSB 501)?
181.44DECxxx names for things60592::MOSScogito cogito ergo cogito sum.Mon Jan 12 1987 23:237
    re [.41]
    
    	You know you've been working here too long when you start
    making up DECxxxx names for things. Here in Australia we have
    a hot room/test chamber called DECsauna.
    
    (Maybe it's a combination DEUNA and DECSA :-) )
181.45PDP-xxx namesUTRYIT::ROBERTSTue Jan 13 1987 10:286
    re .-1 
    
    I remember from college that the drinks machine was referred to
    as the "PDP-5P".
    
    [Coffee, tea etc. cost the princely sum of five pence]
181.46Been using EDT too longOCKER::PUCKETTOpen the pod bay doors please HALTue Jan 13 1987 21:2713
I have noticed several replies to notes, in different files, whose title is:

                                   -< ex >-

After doing this myself one day, I realised what it was: 

type in text
^Z
EX

I had been using EDT too long! :-)

= Giles =
181.47Beware of the snake and the fusesTAV02::NITSANDuvdevani, DEC IsraelThu Jan 15 1987 07:031
Did you ever drive your car after playing Qix for an hour or so?
181.48I once said to a friend...TLE::SUNDARAMUsha SundaramFri Jan 16 1987 20:421
    "I ""logged"" off the telephone..."
181.49sighhh...NAC::B_ADAMSFri Jan 16 1987 20:515
< Note 181.0 by VAXUUM::DYER >
                        -< Been Working Here Too Long >-
... when you start refering to your wife or husband as a 'spousal unit' ...


181.50Batch job on the phone!!SUV01::JOHNSSONGoran Johnsson DRC StockholmSat Jan 17 1987 19:249
    
    One day when I just had submitted some command file to the
    batch que, and then reached for the phone and called the local
    speed shop to ask for some parts.
    When the guy asked me to wait a minute in phone,
     one thought struck me: 
    Why am I doing this job interactive???
         
    Goran.
181.51Logistics JargonDEMOAX::FAHEYAre we having 'FUN' yet?Fri Feb 13 1987 19:549
    A field service engineer (who I will not name) was working in a
    DEC Servicenter. A customer arrived to claim his repaired terminal.
    When presented with his bill he demanded to see the bad part.
    
    The engineer's response was "I consumed it". 
    
    With a horrified look on his face the customer screamed "You What!!?"
    
    Jim
181.52Car jobISWSW::DOOLITTANPrimitive but effectiveFri Feb 13 1987 22:163
    Does trying to get into my car with my card-entry key count??
    
    andy
181.53LaTeXing Too LongVAXUUM::DYERTh-Th-Th-Theora?Tue Apr 21 1987 18:4019
                     <<< SYS_:[NOTES$LIBRARY]TEX.NOTE;3 >>>
                      -<  TeX - Knuth's Text Processor  >-
================================================================================
Note 96.0                           Overheard                         No replies
SPRITE::MCVAY                                        12 lines  27-MAR-1985 14:35
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Recent conversation between some LaTeXers who have been working too
long:

"This article is really lousy."

"Oh yeah?  Well, \MATHOFF fellah!"

"Look, you BADNESS(10000), I'll..."

"Okay, you two--knock it off.  There are macros present."

[mumble, mumble...guys got an overfull box on line...]
181.54Old habits die hardMAY20::MINOWI need a vacationTue May 05 1987 19:204
Just discovered that I can still whistle at a modem and cause it
to go on-line.

Martin.
181.55FROST::HARRIMANToo much talk, Small TalkWed May 06 1987 13:331
    Yeah but can you make it type letters on your terminal? :-)
181.56Just whistlin dixieNHL::GREENOIt's all done with mirrors.Wed May 06 1987 16:513
Getting letters is a relative piece of cake, and you'll find that a
    line feed ain't no big deal either, but a CR is a lip buster.
    
181.57$PUTMSG strikes at homeCSC32::HAGERTYDave Hagerty, TSC, Colorado SpringsFri May 08 1987 04:2310
    True story:
    
       I came home from work one day and grabbed my wife on the, er,
    derriere.  She turned around and said "Access violation, reason
    mask=0".  When this evoked uncontrollable laughter, she did it again
    in another context (use your imagination).  Her response was 
    "%SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, No privilege for attempted operation".
    
    						Dave()

181.58re: .57 -- Did you tell her to See Figure 1?MAY20::MINOWDoes the software dream it is Turing?Fri May 15 1987 17:042
Martin.
181.59Or See FINGER One?DELNI::CANTORDave C.Sat May 16 1987 14:520
181.60Her response...CSC32::HAGERTYDave Hagerty, TSC, Colorado SpringsMon May 18 1987 05:342
%SYSTEM-S-NOTALLPRIV, not all requested privileges authorized
    
181.61As long as it wasn't "Device locked by another user"MAY20::MINOWDoes the software dream it is Turing?Tue May 19 1987 19:203
Martin.

181.62ERIS::CALLASSo many ratholes, so little timeWed May 20 1987 16:414
    Or "device is already mounted" or any number of other interesting
    messages.
    
    	Jon 
181.63inside remarkPIKES::HEINZERDieter Heinzer, Colorado HackerWed May 20 1987 17:2110
re.: .57

Are we hearing a Fish story?

(Ha ha, Dave!)

PS: Is the device write-locked...did you missplace your write-ring?

--> Dieter <--
He Who Harrasses
181.64ouch!CSC32::M_AMBERNo disassembleWed May 20 1987 23:427
    Yeah, I'd feel better if she said:
    
    "insufficient space for allocation"
    
    but watch out if she ever gets to:
    
    "Input record too large, truncated..."
181.65And when it all over...CHAMBR::GUINEAUFri May 22 1987 15:088




 CLMX-S-AAAAHHHH, Buffer overflow


181.66Driving while blind CSOADM::TEATERGregSun May 24 1987 19:175
      	   Driving on the freeway, I'll find myself getting on the
     exit ramp to our office when my real destination is 20 miles down
     the road.
     
     greg_t
181.67MAY20::MINOWDoes the software dream it is Turing?Tue May 26 1987 02:427
re: .65

Nope, as all PDP-11 hackers know, it's

IE_NFW: Path lost to partner.


181.68BISTRO::HEINIf We don't Have it,You don't Need it!Tue May 26 1987 06:571
    For non PDP-11 hackers: IE.NFW: No_F***ing_Way.
181.69Badges ! We don't need no stinkin badges !ROYCE::ATTWOOLA legend in his own lunch timeTue May 26 1987 19:044
    
    Switch on the South American Phrase button:
    
    IE.NWH : No Way Hosay.
181.70Another country heard from...ALBANY::KOZAKIEWICZYou can call me Al...Tue May 26 1987 19:5513
The IE.NFW remark jogged my memory.  How about these (in the same context)?

	IE.ALC		Allocation failure
	IE.DUN		Device nat attachable
	IE.DNA		Device not attached
	IE.DFU 		Device full!
	IE.DAA		Device already attached
	IE.STK		Not enough stack space
	IE.ONP		Hardware option not present??
	IE.OFL		Device off line
	IE.RSU 		Shareable resource in use!
	IE.URJ 		Connection rejected by user
	IE.CNR		Conbnection rejected
181.71This is a sexist discussion...INDIAN::WARWICKDNA puts life into your networkWed May 27 1987 18:151
    
181.72CLT::GILBERTeager like a childWed May 27 1987 21:481
    We've digressed from the topic of the note.  Let's get back on track.
181.73Wearing his moderator hat, he said:UFP::MURPHYEuropean or African Swallow?Thu May 28 1987 00:543
    Re: .71, .72:
    Yup... this isn't SEXETERA. Back to hacking...
    	-Rick
181.74IE.NFW ?= -69QED::EVANSRobert N. Evans DTN-225-6946 HLO2-3/P4Fri May 29 1987 14:084
re: < Note 181.67 by MAY20::MINOW "Does the software dream it is Turing?" >

If my memory serves me correctly, the numeric value of the RSX error code
IE.NFW (Path lost to partner) is -69 in decimal.
181.75Back on trackFURILO::KAISERTue Jun 02 1987 14:414
I just heard a colleague from Hudson is out with his wife and new daughter
visiting relatives and "demoing the baby".

---Pete
181.76PFLOYD::ROTHBERGTue Jul 14 1987 06:266
                My  computer  is   right  near  my  phone  and  I
                frequently  use  my  modem.     Unfortunately,  I
                constantly  call  people  and hit  the  data/talk
                button once they answer . . .
                
181.77IND::SAPIENZAWhere there's a will, there's a wayTue Jul 14 1987 18:589
    
    Re: .11
    
      My former employer, when he needed to discuss something with me,
    would always ask "Are your interrupts enabled?" before starting
    the conversation.
    
    Frank
    
181.78The DEFAULT is Spanish and IrishFNYFS::AUNGIEROrla Maria, born 1st AugustFri Aug 07 1987 06:3812
181.79At the tone, please leave your name and message...SYRAH::THOMASThe Code WarriorSun Aug 09 1987 22:113
    ... when you go to a store and buy something, and then give them your
    phone number for when it comes in.  But unfortunately you give them
    your dedicated modem line for your computer/terminal. 
181.80$240/year for dedicated modem lineTOOK::MICHAUDJeff MichaudSun Aug 09 1987 22:419
    Re: .-1
    
>   ... dedicated modem line ...
    
    speaking of dedicated phone lines, is it possible at all to
    get DEC to pay for some/all of the charges for basic service?
    It's costing me $20/month (=$240/year) for this line.
    
    		My wallet is just curious
181.81ATPS::MALLORYYou won't know if you don't ask.Wed Aug 12 1987 04:241
    Depends on the group you work in. Some groups pay some don't.
181.82WJG::GUINEAUMon Aug 17 1987 20:275

Check into the Field Exchange (FX) system.

You can dial a local DEC plant and then dial the DTN of your systems modem.
181.83Take it to the top!TOOK::MICHAUDJeff MichaudMon Aug 17 1987 22:4813
    Re: .-1
    
    I have been doing that.  I'm looking to recover the cost of
    the basic service (+ touch tone).  I only use the line to
    call work.
    
    Re: .-2
    
    Thanks, I will ask my super.
    
    Re: .-1 & .-2
    
    thanks for your responses.
181.84UFP::MURPHYRick MurphyTue Aug 18 1987 15:436
    This weekend we were at the DEC picnic with the kids at a local
    amusement park. You take a train to and from the picnic area.
    Getting off the train, there was only one exit ramp. I found myself
    telling my wife how much faster the exit would be if it wasn't
    single threaded...
    	-Rick
181.85it happens to he best of us15616::GRAZIANO_ROBWhere's that F***in Manual?Thu Aug 27 1987 19:277
    was telling a story to someone last night about being stared at in
    the local department store.. as the story went, I was dressed kind
    of strange, my companion was making alot of noise, and the girl
    at the CASH TERMINAL kept looking at us...
    
    help me help me....
    rocko
181.86Try answering machinesSKYLRK::MESSENGERThings fall apart-it's scientificMon Oct 05 1987 22:1114
    
    1. Telephone answering machines provide provide endless possiblities
    for these kinds of foibles. Imagine my amusement when I called a
    friend, and his machine said:
    
    	"Hi. This is the virtual Steve Steele speaking. The physical
    Steve is paged out right now, but if you leave your request, when
    the pager swaps me in again, I'll get to it as soon as I can."
    (or something to that effect)
    
    This has now been exported to most of the VMS people I know, so
    we leave very strange messages on phone machines...
    				- HBM
    
181.87FURILO::KAISERMon Oct 12 1987 04:0110
I was attending a meeting where the speaker had a product's schedule up on the
screen from an overhead transparency entirely in caps.	I got to the bottom of
the slide -- which had lots of "DEC..." on it, and read something like this:

	"PRODUCT X		DECEMBER"

and thought to myself "What's a DEC ember?  That's ridiculous."	 It took a few
seconds for it to register as a date.

---Pete
181.88WKRP::LENNIGDave, SWS, @CYO CincinnatiMon Oct 12 1987 10:286
    A friend of mine told me a good one the other day...
    
    He'd been working hard on a particular SW problem. One morning the
    alarm goes off, he sits up, leans over, and attempts to login to it.
    
    Dave
181.89USMRM9::PKADOWMon Oct 12 1987 14:446
    I remember a poster of an old shaggy bum sitting on two worn tires
    in a junk yard trying to warm himself by a small fire.
    
    The caption read:
                         
        "What ever happened to old Fred, after that Master File Problem?"
181.90BEING::POSTPISCHILAlways mount a scratch monkey.Fri Oct 30 1987 15:517
    In my left hand:  a sheet of line-printer paper folded in half.  My
    right hand is on the keyboard (I've been editing something), and I'm
    leaning back in a chair at home.  As I read the text on the paper, my
    right hand subconsciously hits the 0 key to scroll the text.
    
    
    				-- edp
181.91Where's the keyboard?LIBRTY::WALLACETue Nov 03 1987 19:158
    I walked into my office, sat down and began to type. After about
    30 seconds I realized what I was doing and quickly moved my tapping
    fingers from the unmarked pad of paper to the keyboard of my terminal.
    
    Up till then I had assumed that notes 181.0 thru 181.90 were fiction!
    My humble apologies, I think I've been working here to long!
    
    	Ray
181.92MANANA::RAVANLife ain't a hatshop.Mon Nov 23 1987 13:496
    Um, er, I did another one. I was editing a letter, and got to
    the salutation - and "Dear <foo>" came out "DIR <foo>"...
    
    Oh, well. Maybe they'll understand!
    
    -b
181.93Sometimes it's best just to go to bed.DYO780::MOYERWell! Isn't that *Special*!Tue Dec 15 1987 18:115
    Awhile ago, I was adding some things up on my hand calculator and
    was interupted by a phone call.
    
    I came back and started adding some more numbers again, but couldn't
    find the blasted "=" key.  I was holding the remote control to my TV.
181.94...LUTECE::CAILLEDidier Caille TSC EVRY FRANCE.Thu Dec 17 1987 05:555
    	I'm working at the french TSC. After a hard day, I was surprise
    myself to dial a telephone number on the keypad of my VT. I was
    never connected...
    
    	Didier.
181.95Hacker marriage-speakMDKCSW::HUXTABLEThe Next Dread Pirate RobertsThu Dec 17 1987 15:3613
    Shortly after we married, John introduced me to an acquaintance of
    his.  When the acquaintance realized that we were both programmers
    and have been known to call each other with technical questions,
    he stared at us in horror and exclaimed:  "Good heavens!  Do you
    two do a memory dump over the dinner table?"  (Sometimes!) 

    We say "popping the stack" to return to an earlier conversation...
    and occasionally "context switch" to change the subject...I
    frequently turn off my hearing-aids if I'm reading or otherwise
    concentrating, in which case I have to "enable interrupts" to
    talk...but I always respond to "non-maskable interrupts!"  :-) 

    -- Linda Huxtable
181.96Modified diaper writerDPDMAI::BEATTIEBut, Is BLISS ignorance?Fri Dec 18 1987 14:4912
    I had been managing a new and rapidly expanding VAXcluster for a
    year when my wife became pregnant with our first child.  She was
    horrified when I referred to the unborn as "Newnode::" (seemed natural
    enough to me at the time), but I suppose the final straw was when
    I "discovered" it (at birth) and then waited for it to assert a
    membership request...
    
    My daughter is now two and some change, my wife again speaks to
    me, and only grimaces in dispair when I refer to Amanda's "excessive
    paging into her diaper"...
    
    
181.97Getting a bit gross here..UFP::MURPHYRick - WA1SPT/4Fri Dec 18 1987 18:463
    RE: .96:
    I refer to my kid's diaper as the DumpFile..
    	-Rick