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Conference 7.286::star_trek

Title:STAR TREK
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Created:Mon Feb 10 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
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1092.0. "ST:VOY - Distant Origin" by DECCXL::WIBECAN (That's the way it is, in Engineering!) Thu Mar 13 1997 18:39

This topic is for discussion of the STAR TREK: VOYAGER episode entitled
"Distant Origin."

[Season 3, episode 23]

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1092.1Press info, from VidiotDECCXL::WIBECANThat's the way it is, in Engineering!Mon Apr 28 1997 15:3524
UPN - Voyager - (STV323)

"Distant Origin" - The Voyager crew are unwitting research subjects after
scientists of the Voth race, saurian-like aliens who believe they were the
first intelligent beings to evolve in the Delta Quadrant, discover the human
remains of a Starship Voyager crewman (Lieutenant Hogan killed in the
episode "Basics, Part I") and find a genetic pattern similar to their own.
When Gegen, the chief researcher, suggests that based on these findings, the
true origin of the Voth is Earth, their leader, Minister Odala, deems him a
heretic. To prove his theory, Gegen and his assistant Veer track down the
U.S.S. Voyager, infiltrate the ship and take their next research subject,
Chakotay, hostage.

Starring Kate Mulgrew as Captain Janeway, Robert Beltran as Chakotay, Roxann
Biggs-Dawson as B'Elanna Torres, Jennifer Lien as Kes, Robert Duncan McNeill
as Lt. Tom Paris, Ethan Phillips as Neelix, Robert Picardo as The Doctor,
Tim Russ as Tuvok, Garrett Wang as Harry Kim.

Guest starring are Henry Woronicz as Gegen, Cristopher Liam Moore as Veer,
Marshal Teague as Hulak. Special guest star: Concetta Tomei as Minister
Odala.

The story was written by Brannon Braga and Joe Menosky. The episode was
directed by David Livingston.
1092.2not too badSUBSYS::MSOUCYMentalmETALMikeThu May 01 1997 16:007
    
    Not a bad episode, but I hated the minister, what a b*tch she was!
    Closed-minded, power hungry (as gegen aludes to I think), etc....and it
    figured Veer gets teh snot scared outta him to go against what he
    believes is true (and seemed plausible enough to me).
    
    
1092.3ok episodeEVMS::SCHUETZVMS Clusters Memory Channel 381-6075Thu May 01 1997 18:016
    Sort of refreshing to run into SOMEONE with overpowering technology,
    and not completely hostile either.
    
    Hmmm. TRANSWARP technology.  I was expecting Janeway to at least
    ASK for a push homeward ...
    
1092.4DECCXX::WIBECANThat's the way it is, in Engineering!Fri May 02 1997 20:218
>>    Sort of refreshing to run into SOMEONE with overpowering technology,
>>    and not completely hostile either.

I agree!  It was also quite a novel approach to go for such a long time at the
beginning of the episode without seeing any of the regular cast or any Voyager
sets.

						Brian
1092.5skylab.zko.dec.com::FISHERGravity: Not just a good idea. It's the law!Mon May 05 1997 16:1922
I thought this episode was one of the best so far of Voyager.  I agree with
Brian about the long teaser and opening segments with no regulars being cool.  I
also thought the alien makeup was much better than usual "slap some putty ridges
in weird places".  They seemed to have thought out what an evolved dinosaur
would look like.

I really liked the "extrapolated human" that the Vorn scientists put together
based on the uniform scrap and the bones.

And finally, all I could think of at the end of the inquisition was Galileo.  I
half expected Gegen to say under his breath as he walked out, "But it *does*
turn" or the equivalent.

BTW, how did you like the "feeding lamp"?  That totally cracked me up!

I wonder if the writers had in mind the Gorn when then invented the Vorn.  It
might be cute to have them also be relatives.  (Gorn if from the TOS episode
where Kirk and the Gorn critter are put on a planet by some alien race to see
which race is stronger, and Kirk ends up making a gun from native materials.)

Burns

1092.6DECCXX::WIBECANThat's the way it is, in Engineering!Mon May 05 1997 17:561
"Gegen" is the German word for "against."  I imagine it was intentional.
1092.7POLAR::RICHARDSONPangolin Wielding PonceMon May 05 1997 18:052
    I thought it was well done too. Two thumbs up, except for Chakotay's
    wonderful speeches. Bluuuurgh.
1092.8uniform markings - sounds like ... Voyager!LABC::HAMon May 05 1997 23:2710
    One little nit:
    
    How is it they managed to map the marking "U.S.S. Voyager" on the
    material of the uniform to the sound "Voyager" - 1) You would only know
    what the symbols meant if you had some sort of Rosetta Stone and 2) You
    would not know what they sounded like without some reference like a
    person who spoke the language.
    
    							Michael
    
1092.9minor nitSUBSYS::MSOUCYMentalmETALMikeTue May 06 1997 16:029
    
    one other nit:
    
    Why was it that Chakotay could converse with Gegen on his ship but all
    we hear were "clicks" from his aide on Voyager? Nothing mentioned as to
    why this worked one way but not the other...
    
    
    
1092.10character naming 101...QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyTue May 06 1997 16:1311
Their universal translator worked better than Voyagers?
Or maybe Veer was just stuttering?

My biggest nit:  Are the writers just unaware or do they somehow
pay homage to B5 by naming a bumbling assistant "Veer", which
sounds the same as a (actually formerly) bumbling assistant
"Vir" to a Centauri ambassador?  And of course on 
DS9 there is Leeta, pronounced the same as Lyta on B5.
Sigh...

PeterT