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Title:Equine Notes Conference
Notice:Topics List=4, Horses 4Sale/Wanted=150, Equip 4Sale/Wanted=151
Moderator:MTADMS::COBURNIO
Created:Tue Feb 11 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2080
Total number of notes:22383

2021.0. "Unprofessional Vet. Conduct" by VFOVAX::BRAMBLETT () Fri Mar 29 1996 16:54

    
    Just wondering if anyone has ever filed a complaint with the
    Dept. of Health Professionals concerning ethical conduct on the
    part of a veterinarian and how well the complaint was handled.
    
    As I was a first time buyer, there is a very long story, but
    to make it short a Veterinarian "vetted" the horse as sound
    and he was the seller.  The age of the horse was misrepresented
    in addition to his registration papers which were never delivered.
    
    I know I should have known better, but that's hindsight.
    
    Just curious is any has filed a complaint with their state Board
    of Health Professionals and is so what results can be expected.
    
    
    Thanks,
    Linda
    
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2021.1questions ???MTCLAY::DOUGLASMon Apr 01 1996 11:3944
    Hmmmm......
    
    First, let's seperate the two issues. 
    
    1) The vet who is also the seller vetted the horse "sound".
       
    Did you in fact find the horse to be sound? Was there a major
    issue that you found later to determine that it was in fact unsound?
    Soundness can mean many things in a pre-purchase exam depending what
    you want to do with the horse. For example, a horse that is blind
    in one eye is considered sound, where a horse that has really bad
    navicular disease is not considered sound (even though special shoeing
    helps).
    
    Please tell me what you found that you determined the horse to be 
    unsound.
    
    Also, determining the "age" of a horse is not an exact science.
    If the vet told you the horse was 8 and it was really 11, that's not
    actually a bad call.
    
    But, if the horse had papers and was registered, the age should have
    been readily available.
    
    I was once a "first time" buyer,  so I can sypmathize with you.
    If you were told the horse had papers, did you ever ask to see them?
    Did you hand over the money without receiving the papers? 
    You may have recourse with whatever registry this horse is papered
    with. You can make a complaint with the registry.
    Papers, cannot legally be "sold". They should come with the horse,
    this is, if it was agreed with both parties that it was being sold
    "with" the papers. The sellar doesn't necessarily have to sell the
    horse with papers. Some people chose not to let the papers go with
    the horse because you would then become their competition at shows.
    
    I can only determine by the information that you gave, that the 
    vet didn't do anything unethical as a "vet". But as a "sellar" he
    did mis-inform you about certain things, or the communication about
    what each of you thought you were getting out of this sale, just
    wasn't there.
    
    Please tell us more.
    Tina
    
2021.2Opinion..A1VAX::GUNNI couldn't possibly commentMon Apr 01 1996 20:5029
    I have no direct experience of dealing with state professional
    registration authorities or professional associations but from the
    media reports I remember such entities are somewhat reluctant to take
    disciplinary action against errant members. So unless this is a really
    serious instance of "professional misconduct" I wouldn't expect much
    action from these bodies.
    
    Alternatively, depending on your state's small claims court critieria
    you might get more action with a "Breach of Contract" claim. If
    representations made to you by the seller who could be considered an
    expert person which can reasonably be shown to have been false at the
    time they were made then you may have a case. 
    
    In both cases an unemotional review of what was said by whom to whom,
    what other professionals opinions were and, above all, what was written
    down should allow you to assess your options. Remember that determining
    the age and soundness of a horse is not an exact science and different
    professional may have different opinions.
    
    I have only ever bought two horses. The first I knew had behaviour
    problems (it bucked) which I thought I could work through. I was told
    by the seller and I saw for myself the horse's behaviour. I took a
    calculated risk and lost a few hundred dollars because I found I
    couldn't change that part of his behaviour. The other horse was
    represented to me as being sound. I took another calculated risk and
    did not have him vetted because of the local reputation of the seller.
    I have had that horse for the last eighteen years so he was a very
    satisfactory purchase.
    
2021.3More details...VFOVAX::BRAMBLETTMon Jun 10 1996 19:4134
    
    Well, better late than never.  In response to .1, the horse was
    subsequently found to have laryngeal hemiplegia and this has made
    him unsuitable for much excercise as his wind is not enough and
    he can not breath well at the canter. 
    
    As for the papers, the vet indicated in writing they would be delivered
    in 30 days and he never followed up.  He also never provided
    information on the horse's history, etc.
    
    I wrote to the Commonwealth of Virginia and they are investigating the
    conduct of the vet.  I think the issue is that he should not "vet"
    a horse sound that he has potential "gain" in and should have
    recommended another (or different vet to vet the horse).  That is
    the main issue. 
    
    As the horse has not enough wind, he has been donated to an
    organization who will find him a trail riding life.  So, I am without
    horse at this time.
    
    Learned a lesson the hard way and hopefully will be wiser as a result.
    
    The Commonwealth of Virginia has started the investigation and did
    indicate it was not common for a vet to be selling horses which they
    have an interest in.  There is a whole process that these type things
    go through and the most I can really expect is that a complaint is
    filed and some type of warning for unethical conduct is issued.  I just
    did not believe that thisshould go unreported.
    
    As for small claims court, the legal fees would exceed the gain and
    so by the time it was all resolved, the effort would not even
    compensate for lost time at work....
    
    Linda
2021.4Witness first, if you can.FOUNDR::CRAIGTue Sep 24 1996 12:3130