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Title:Equine Notes Conference
Notice:Topics List=4, Horses 4Sale/Wanted=150, Equip 4Sale/Wanted=151
Moderator:MTADMS::COBURNIO
Created:Tue Feb 11 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2080
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1912.0. "teaching to lunge" by TOOK::MORENZ (JoAnne Morenz NIPG-IPEG US DTN 226-5870) Fri Jul 22 1994 15:35

I have had my 3 yr old filly since February. I started breaking her to the
saddle in March. From the beginning - she has known nothing about lungeing. 

I talked to the breeder - she had her until last November (the horse went from
breeder to dealer to me). She said that she had 8 other babies and had done very
little with her.

I have tried a number of the conventional methods for teaching a horse to lunge.
She is not stupid - but she still doesn't get it. I have only taught her 
"walk", "ho" and "back" to voice. I'd really like to teach her "trot" and 
"canter" to voice before I try them in the saddle. In fact - I definitely won't
try then 'til we have the voice commands down pat.

Anybody with creative ideas for teaching a horse to lunge. I have taught two 
babies to lunge - but this gal is a little older. As you can see, I am kind of
stuck until I get passed this.

I have tried the following:

	1 - start with leading - lunge whip - held like a crop between me
	    and the horse - then gradually lengthening the lead and using the 
	    lunge whip against her side to keep her out. She is not afraid of
	    anything - which is great - except that the whip does not phase
	    her at all. 

	    When the line gets too long for her liking - she turns and walks 
	    right to me. The lunge whip would snap in half on her chest if I
	    let it. :-) She seems to say - "Hey - I want to be over there with
	    you!" ;-)

	2 - I tried lungeing her with a surcingle and side reins. I did the same 
	    thing as described above. She'd feel the resistance on the outside
	    when she went to turn - then get upset and back up - which I
	    definitely don't want! I tried to use the whip behind her to no
	    avail. I tried this over about a 3 day period - every time she would
	    get too upset. 

	    I figured that rather than traumatize her - I'd back off and look
	    for some advice.

She is so unspoiled and willing - I just don't want to ruin her attitude. She
has taken to everything else really quickly and well. 

This lunging thing just has us both puzzled >:^[

Any suggestions?

JoAnne and Lightlender (Lily)
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1912.1What about 2 lines?QE010::ROMBERGI feel a vacation coming on...Fri Jul 22 1994 16:5212
JoAnne,

How about long lining?  Does she understand that?  I've taught older horses than
yours (remember Amos?) to lunge using a second line/rein on the outside, coming
around the hindquarters, so you and the horse and the lines create a pie-shaped
wedge.  That way, when they swing their hindquarters out, you pull on that
rein/line and it acts like your outside leg and pulls the hindquarters back in.

That second (outside) line can really help with the directionals.


kathy
1912.2CSLALL::LCOBURNPlan B FarmFri Jul 22 1994 16:5413
    When I first got my mare 10 years ago she was 9 and untrained except
    for driving.  She had no ideas about lunging or being ridden.  I taught
    her to lunge in a very short time by having a friend lead her around
    the circle I was asking her to move on.  After only a few times around
    she caught right on and was fine.  I couldn't use a whip with her,
    though, still can't. As a harness racer she'd learned that whips meant
    punishment (maybe they are not intended as such by the drivers, but
    this particular horse certainly saw them in that light).  So instead
    of a whip I just used a ton of verbal encouragement.
    
    This method may not work for everyone, but it's worth a try if you
    have a volunteer who can help out.
     
1912.3STUDIO::BIGELOWPAINTS; color your corralFri Jul 22 1994 17:389
    I've used both methods described in .1 and .2  to teach horses to
    lunge.
    
    My biggest hurdle is getting the Fjord to canter on a lunge line.....
    seems she's been taught not to canter.....and boy can she trot!
    
    
    
    
1912.4CSLALL::LCOBURNPlan B FarmFri Jul 22 1994 18:0423
    Michele,
    
    I had THAT problem with my mare, too! Spending 6 years as a harness
    racer taught her that cantering was a big no-no, and she was terrified
    of being punished for 'breaking' her gait.  It took time, patience,
    time, patience, and more time and patience.  The biggest part of the
    problem was her mental fear.  She had to learn to trust that I would
    not punish her, and the only way she could lean this was by doing it.
    On the lunge I gently and quietly encouraged tons of forward movement 
    at the trot.  When she did break, she stop dead in her tracks and
    shake for fear of the anticipated whip.  I would praise her to high
    heavens, pat her, tell her how wonderful she was, and take her out
    for a trail ride (which she has always loved).  Eventually she
    stopped acting afraid and began 'breaking' more and more frequently
    and holding the canter for longer periods of time.  I rewarded her
    lavishly every time she cantered, now matter how short a period of
    time she did it for.  For her, it was all a matter of trusting me.
    Cantering under saddle was not all that difficult once she'd learned
    that it was acceptable, and had done so enough that she was able
    to balance herself properly without a rider first.  Actually, now
    (10 years later), I can't get her to trot like a racer for anything.
    :-)
     
1912.5exitSTUDIO::BIGELOWPAINTS; color your corralFri Jul 22 1994 19:289
    Sigrid will canter under saddle....but on the lunge.....it's almost too
    comical.  I'm fortunate that she is not afraid of the whip....that's
    the other mare.
    
    By the way Linda, my two 13 yr. old helpers are trying to convince
    their mom and dad that they can handle the responsibility of horse 
    ownership.  I found them an ex-trotter pony.  She's 14hh, 18 yrs old 
    and has been retired for 12 years.  She's real sweet too.  I hope their 
    parents let them get her.....and she'll be coming to my barn....
1912.6success with two linesTOOK::MORENZJoAnne Morenz NIPG-IPEG US DTN 226-5870Tue Jul 26 1994 14:378
I went home last Friday nite and tried the 2 line approach. I used a surcingle
and brought the outside line around her hind quarters. I worked like a charm!

By Sunday - we were "walk"ing and "whoa"ing without a hitch. If the weather
cools down this week - we'll start "trot"ting ;-)

	Thanks for the suggestion Kathy, and everyone's help.
1912.7Practical Horseman covers this in August IssueTOOK::MORENZJoAnne Morenz NIPG-IPEG US DTN 226-5870Thu Jul 28 1994 13:394
Ironically - I went home last night and found my August issue of Practical 
Horseman in the mailbox - one of the features was training your horse to
longe!