Conference noted::equitation

1709.0. "Trade Agreement" by STRATA::STOOKER () Thu Feb 04 1993 15:42

    I use to own a double registered Paint/Pinto mare.  When I had my
    daughter I found that I was not able to spend as much time with her as
    she needed.  I met someone who wanted to use my horse for a broodmare,
    and she offered me a trade.  The trade was this:  I trade/transfer my
    mare into her hands and sometime in the future (no time limit) when I
    have more time and a place to keep a horse then I could get a "colored"
    weanling.  Well, recently I was talking with this person and asked me
    if I would consider taking two "non-colored" weanlings instead of one
    "colored" weanling.   Now my question is this?   My purpose in getting
    a horse is mainly for pleasure and I do not have any future plans for
    doing any breeding or showing in the Paint/Pinto circuit, but if I did
    decide that I wanted to do some showing, would I be able to in the
    Paint/Pinto circuit,  I don't think so, but I'm really not familiar
    with the rules.  Also, if a "non-colored" foal is not registerable in
    the Paint/Pinto registries, would it be registerable in the Quarter
    horse registries since I believe (I'm not positively sure) these are
    the main bloodlines in the Paint/Pinto lines?   If I should decide to
    take two "non colored" foals and wanted to at a later date to sell one,
    would it be better to get fillies since they could be used as breeding
    stock?   Could the fillies be registered in the Paint registry as
    breeding stock?  Just curious.    
    
    It would be kind of neat to get two, because I'm hoping that my
    daughter might start showing an interest in riding, but if she doesn't
    I afraid that I wouldn't have enough time for two horses, especially if
    my daughter decides that her interests lie in some other direction
    totally so if I decide to sell one, then I'd like to be able to get
    something for the time that I would spend with it.
    
    Would it be better for me to take two "non-colored" foals since I do
    not have any future plans for showing/breeding?  I know that it would
    help this person out tremendously because they could get more for a 
    "colored" foal than two "non-colored" foals, but I'm wondering if I
    would be losing out on the value of the mare that I traded.....   
    
    
    Any opinions?  Advice?
    
    

    
    
    	Non- colored foals  are worth alot less.. They still carry the
    	colored gean so they cannot be registered in the quarter horse
    	registery.  
    
    	I had a mare that I bred to a color stallion and got a solid.
    
    	She was worth $500.00, I sold her - and she did breed her and
    	she got a colored foal..  Then I sold her mother and they also
    	breed her to a paint and she had two more solid foals.. 
    

    A solid Paint can still be registered with the American Paint Horse
    Assn but will be registered in the breeding stock registry.  There are
    halter classes for breeding stock Paints and breeding stocks are
    allowed in the Pleasure derbies/futurities and I believe that is the
    only time that they will compete with colored horses.   I haven't seen
    many riding classes around here at the APHA shows for breeding stock.
    
    You can show breeding stock at Open shows in Paint classes because they
    are registered Paints.  They are of considerably less value.   A
    breeding stock filly is more valuable because she could ALWAYS produce
    a colored foal.  These horses still carry the genes.  There are many,
    many super breeding stock horses shown in Open shows.   Obviously, 
    a colored foal is more desirable and valuable for re-sale.  
    
    Karen

    Another thing to consider if you do not have a lot of time. A nice
    trained mare is more valuable as a family pet that two untrained babies
    of ANY color. Raising babies is a geat deal of work and not for
    everybody. Romance aside, getting your mare back may be a better deal.
    Sandy
    

    The breeding stock fillys could not be registered w/ Pinto, because
    Pinto is strictly a color breed registry.  There is a good chance
    that the BS filly will throw color if bred though.
    
    I've been showing in the Novice AM Paint division and I think that
    there may be a BS gelding....not 100% sure, and I don't have a current
    rule book.  
    
    Michele