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| 1604.1 | It worked for us | XLIB::PAANANEN | | Mon Mar 02 1992 15:20 | 8 |
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One of the horses I rode a few years ago was very nervous. (She had
been abused as a youngster and never really got over it.) We put her
on B supplement, and it definitely helped her. One of the brand names
was Thiadex, and another Stress-Vite, I think. Any of the B complex
supplements with a high level of thiamine is worth considering. It was
a bit expensive, but it was worth it.
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| 1604.2 | Worked for us, too! | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Red Barber for President! | Mon Mar 02 1992 17:17 | 4 |
| We've got one like that too. He's been on a Thiamine supplement for
several months. It helped him a LOT. I hope this works out for you!
John
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| 1604.3 | My friend can't take him on an trail rides | STUDIO::PELUSO | PAINTS; color your corral | Mon Mar 02 1992 17:54 | 5 |
| Sounds like a horse I know.....I think I will pass this info on to my
friend. Like yours, he's getting worse as time goes on, however in the
ring, he is the perfect gentleman. His bloodlines are from that hot
showy Morgan type.
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| 1604.4 | DAY ONE...... | ESKIMO::ROCK | | Tue Mar 10 1992 14:16 | 9 |
| WELL THE THIAMIN ARRIVED YESTERDAY FROM THE JOHN EWING COM. AND I PUT
MY HORSE ON IT. THEY RECOMMENDED TO GET HIM STARTED TO DOUBLE THE
DOSE FOR THE FIRST WEEK AND THEN GO TO 1 OZ. DAILY.
SO I WILL KEEP ALL POSTED. THIS WILL BE OUR OWN DAILY EXPERIMENT!!!!
I WAS GLAD TO SEE OTHERS HAD GOOD SUCCESS WITH THESE KIND OF PRODUCTS.
TERRY AND RAINY
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| 1604.5 | Compare to locally available stuff too | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | Red Barber for President! | Tue Mar 10 1992 17:21 | 8 |
| I meant to tell you this last time. The Thiamin(Vtiamin B1) Supplements
are readily available in feed stores around here. There are actually
2-3 brands in this area. One brand has both a crumble formula and a
liquid formula. So, you may not have to buy the stuff mail order.
Check your local feed storesand compare prices. The Ewing price is
pretty good but you may be able to do a little better locally.
John
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| 1604.6 | extruded pellets calming horses? | BROKE::MELINDA | | Mon Mar 16 1992 11:54 | 9 |
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Over the weekend I was told extruded pellets have a calming effect
on nervous horses. I was told there is a brand, called "Mysung" (?) that
supposedly costs 25.00 a bag and that Lockie Richards is promoting.
If 25. per bag is too high, Agway sells a brand for ~9/bag.
Has anyone else heard of extruded pellets calming horses?
Melinda
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| 1604.7 | Spaghetti for horses! | PIPPER::NICKERSON | Bob Nickerson DTN 282-1663 :^) | Mon Mar 16 1992 15:30 | 10 |
| Extrusion is the manufacturing process by which all pellets are made.
It consists of pushing the material (in this case a thick grain mash)
through a hole (or several holes at once) to produce what looks like a
piece of spaghetti (yup, spaghetti is an extrusion too). Do you mean
to say that all pellets are calming or a specific type of pellet is
calming. In my experience, there is no calming effect produced by
pellets in general.
Bob
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| 1604.8 | Does this make sense? | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | I happen to be brain-dead | Mon Mar 16 1992 16:02 | 9 |
| There was an article on "processed" feeds in EQUUS a month or two ago.
One of the differences they mentioned is the amount of sugar(mostly
from molasses) in sweet feed versus pellets(all of which are extruded).
Given that sweet feed has a reputation for being a "hot" feed, it seems
reasonable that somebody switching from sweet feed to pellets might see
a change in some horses. Some horses are hot no matter what you feed
them but others may be made hot by the sugar in sweet feed and not by
the lower sugar levels of pellets.
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| 1604.9 | | BROKE::MELINDA | | Mon Mar 16 1992 16:06 | 8 |
| The "extruded" pellet is different from the ordinary pellet. I've
always fed pellets too, however not a brand specifically calling out
the word "extruded." Quite a few years ago a reputable instructor
told me he put his entire barn on "extruded" pellets to help lessen
the horses' risk of colic.
Melinda
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| 1604.10 | No hard answers but more info | DECWET::JDADDAMIO | I happen to be brain-dead | Tue Mar 17 1992 16:05 | 38 |
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I looked at that EQUUS article again for two reasons: 1) to find out
the difference between the process to produce pellets and
"extruded" feeds and 2) to see if there was any mention of a calming
effects from "extruded" feeds.
The difference is simple. The so-called extruded feed is made under
high pressure which makes the pellets puff up. The article compared it
to the process used for some breakfast cereals(e.g. puffed rice,
Kix, Cocoa Puffs, Rice Krispies) and dog food. Ordinary pellets are
extrduded too but under lower pressure.
Dr Hintz(feed & nutrition expert at Cornell) did some studies which
suggest(not prove) that the extruded feed may be more digestible and
may be eaten slower. He said that if they eat slower, the horses will
be less likely to choke or colic. He also warned that his findings may not
hold true after the horse has been fed extruded feeds for a long period
of time.
Neither Hintz's work or the studies by others quoted in the EQUUS
article mentioned a calming effect from this form of feed. What I was
trying to suggest in my previous reply was that someone who had their
horses on sweet feed or any high molasses feed might see a calming
effect if they switched to an extruded feed/pellets which had less
molasses in it.
In other words, I'd be more inclined to think that any change is due to
the ingredients than the process. If one were to feed a hyper/near hyper
kid Cocoa Puffs, I doubt the Cocoa Puffs would calm the kid (sugar +
stimulants like caffeine and theobromines in the cocoa). However, fed Kix
(same process but different ingredients), you might see a change in the
kid's behavior. So, you might get the same calming effect by changing
brands of pellets to one with minimal molasses that you would get from
"extruded" feeds.
Extruded feeds are a) more expensive than pellets and b) less dense so
they require more storage space. Compare the size of a 50 lb sack of
dog food to a 50 lb sack of sweet feed or pellets!
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| 1604.11 | re -1 interesting info | BROKE::MELINDA | | Tue Mar 17 1992 19:12 | 13 |
| John,
Your theory on why the extruded pellet "calms" may well be true (only
because the owner was feeding sweet before). But I had the impression
the woman I spoke to wasn't comparing sweet feed to pellets.
Btw, the brand name I mentioned in my last note should be "wysong"
not "mysong". She claimed "wysong" turned her hot TB into a new, calm
horse. But maybe he (the horse) hit a birthday that had a calming effect on
him too, who knows? Whether its true or not, I'm certainly not going to rush
out and buy it for my wmbloods <hahaha!>. I put one on straight oats and
sweet!
Melinda
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| 1604.12 | info about Agway product | BROKE::MELINDA | | Wed Mar 18 1992 11:48 | 14 |
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When I was picking up my grain at Agway yesterday I asked for some
literature about their extruded pellets. The literature lists the
following benefits (no mention of a calming effect):
- horses eat more slowly
- stays in digestive tract longer
- results in decreased digestive disorders
- increased feed utilization
- easier to chew than grains
Agway sells a 50lb bag for ~8.00 (14%).
Melinda
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