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Title:Equine Notes Conference
Notice:Topics List=4, Horses 4Sale/Wanted=150, Equip 4Sale/Wanted=151
Moderator:MTADMS::COBURNIO
Created:Tue Feb 11 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2080
Total number of notes:22383

85.0. "Harness racer --> Pleasure driving horse" by TLE::DINGEE (CDD/Toolkit Development) Fri Feb 10 1989 16:45

	Well, I've been looking forward to getting a little
	cart and harness for a retired harness racer I acquired
	a couple of years ago, and which I've been riding for
	pleasure since. Now I find out that even though she
	hasn't raced for years - probably 10 or 12 - I had
	better watch out when I hook her up because she'll go
	as fast as she can and the harder you pull back THE
	FASTER SHE'LL GO!!

	If this is true, then it's a good thing I found out
	*before* I got in that little cart...So, my question
	is, is it really true??? And, what can I do about it?

	Thanks, in advance, for any help you can give me.

	-j
	
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85.1Re: .0MERLAN::ECDLOFri Feb 10 1989 20:5011
    	Oh yes, that is true. My mare has been off the track for
    2 years after racing for 8, and they are trained that the more
    resistance they get from the bit, the faster they are to go. I
    hooked her up to a cart once. Once. She went like a bat out of
    hell. She is the same way under saddle, unless I ride with a 
    very strong seat and a jointed Pelham to keep her neck flexed.
    
    	I'm new here, my friend just taught me to use NOTES. :-) I look
    forward to some interesting commentary here.
    
    	Linda
85.2DELNI::KEIRANMon Feb 13 1989 10:4911
  I have driven all the harness horses I have gotten off the track,
    and the key here is patience!  You have to remember that when
    they get hooked up again, no matter how many years they have
    been off the track, it comes back to them pretty quick what
    they used to do.  What we usually do is have someone walk
    at the head of the horse and have someone in the cart, and
    off down the road we go.  Until they know what it is I want
    from them, as in stopping when asked, and going at a nice
    slow pace, I keep them off any type of dirt road or anything
    that would remind them of being at the track.  Good luck
    and be careful!
85.3It is True about harness horses!SAGE::CORREIAFri Feb 17 1989 17:1412
    I also have an exharness racer, A Standardbred! When I first tried
    to drive her, she took off like a bat out of hell!!!! Thank god
    I was with a person who was experienced with driving racers. She
    also wanted to take off as soon as she was tacked. We
    have found out that it is better not to drive her but to use her
    as a "trail" horse. We also have problems with her always wanting
    to be the lead horse. On the good side, when she is cantering or
    galloping because of her track training, she can go on for miles
    without losing her wind. When we want to go for a quite cart ride
    we use our Appolusa, he has been trained for pleasure driving.
    
    
85.4My standard breds have been good.DNEAST::KRAMER_JULIEMon Feb 20 1989 16:5313
    I've had a few ex-race horses for pleasure driving and they
    have been great.  They relaxed and went with ease, of coarse, they
    still had that want to race.  Right now I have one thats been great
    for sleigh riding.  Its really alot of fun.  I find that these 
    standard bred horses are well mannered, the ones that I had, anyways.
    I had one that I use to race that would go on the bit.  She was
    a hand full, but when I retired her and used her for pleasure, she
    seemed to know and was a great pleasure driving horse.  I just needed
    to reply because the other replies are not what I've experienced.
    The standard breds I've had, have been good.
    
    Julie
    
85.5JULIET::APODACA_KISongs from the Razor's EdgeWed Mar 29 1989 19:027
    I'm curious....if they go faster the more you pull on the bit, how
    do you stop a track horse?   We don't have harness racing out West
    much (too bad!!!  :'(  ) So i'm not that familiar with the sport
    as I am with Thoroughbreds.  
    
    
                                                        ---kim
85.6they know where they are going.TOMCAT::HOLMESTue Jun 20 1989 21:162
    
    	Only travel clockwise.
85.7progress...and more questionsTHRSHR::DINGEECDD+ DevelopmentWed Jun 21 1989 13:4627
    .6 made me chuckle...
    
    Anyhow, I did get a 2-seater rubber wheeled cart; wood and quite
    old so I have sanded it down, put in a new seat, dash, etc., and
    stained and poly'd the whole thing. It's been a lot of fun! So
    while I've been doing this, I've also been ground-driving Candy,
    (she's a standardbred ex-harness racer).
    
    She's amazingly receptive to the reins. Is this unusual, or because
    she's an ex-harness racer, or is that the way driving is? At my
    first attempt, I nearly had her do a 360-degree turn with much less
    pressure on the reins than when I ride her!
    
    But there was no problem stopping her. And she didn't take off, but
    walked when I asked her to walk, and picked up speed and slowed down
    when I asked her to.
    
    The harness I have has breeching; I've been told racing carts don't
    have this, so the pressing on her back end when stopping or going
    downhill may cause her to react. Also, I've been told to *always*
    have the whip in my hand, although I don't know why. Does anyone
    have any details on these? Or...I can 'just see what happens', but
    I have visions of bailing out while the horse and cart go sailing
    off down the road; not something I can get excited about...
    
    thanks,
    julie
85.8Go carefully..PTOMV6::PETHMy kids are horsesWed Jun 21 1989 18:398
    On the first attempt don't get in the cart! Drive from the ground
    behind it with a helper at her head just in case. I had a pony that
    was supposedly harness trained, drove from the ground great, tried
    to hitch him and as soon as he felt the cart back there he flipped
    out. As we found out later (after the cart and harness where destroyed)
    he had been in an accident with a cart and never got over it mentally.
    Sandy