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    You might call Ben Wade at Parker CO (just outside of Denver) to
    see if might have something.  I don't have his number but I'm sure
    you could get it through information.  He specializes in hunter/jumper
    types.
    
    I'll also check around other places.
    
    Mary Jo
    

    Would you consider a Trakehner/Appaloosa with spots?  I know of
    one or two that were for sale a while back, and can research further
    if you are interested.
    
    Sharon
    
    P.S.  I know that there were quite a few Appaloosa mares in this
    region that were bred to Secretariat a few years back; will see
    if I can find out more about it.  They'd probably be getting on
    in years now, but maybe their offspring?  I have an "Appaloosa
    Running Horse" myself, but she does not have spots and was bred
    in Texas.  I also have a TB type Appy gelding with spots, but the
    "perfect horse" he is not! ;^)  And he's unregistered; have no idea
    who bred him.

    Yes, I would love a trak/cross (that's what my almost perfect horse
    is...except no spots).  If it was a trak/app cross I would want
    color for sure.  I would also be interested in Secretariat lines...we
    have a grandson that is standing in Mass but he is not breeding
    quality in my opinion.
    
    This is great!  Thanks for the responses!
    
    Jeannie

    If you care abuot registering the horse as an Appaloosa then you
    might want to look into the approved breeds for ApHC. Last heard,
    Trakheners were not one of them (no warmbloods, no Holsteiners,
    etc.) If you are interested in a good cross to use as a dressage
    or event horse then (this will be one of those believe it or not
    deals, but) check out what Karen Dodge has to offer out of her Paloos
    stallion and her Abington mare. I have a 5 year old 16.0 hand chestnut
    gelding which I used for dressage last year (did extremely well)
    and who I will be using for dressage and some eventing this year.
    He is VERY talented and great to work around. He is also very willing.
    I used him on pace events this year with no stops over all types
    of fences!
    
    Good luck in your search!!!
    
    Linda
    

    RE:  .5
    
    You are right...warmblood crosses can't be registered with the ApHC.
    I show primarily on the open circuit and although I do go to some
    breed shows...my first love is dressage and if a warmblood cross
    is what I need...registration is secondary.  There is a movement
    underway, however, by the Appaloosa Sport Horse organization to
    work with the ApHC toward registering warmblood crosses.  I have
    to admit...I'm in it for the spots...I don't like the idea of solids
    being registerable (I know this is controversial)...I'm a firm believer
    in the apps as a color breed.  I'm sure if I was a breeder...I would
    be happy there is a market for the solids.  Anyway, feedback from
    the ApHC on the subject of registering warmblood crosses is positive.
     I feel in the next few years this will be an accepted cross.
    
    I know who Karen Dodge is...I give her a call!  Thanks...and keep
    your eyes open...
    
    Jeannie
    

    Good luck in your search Jeanne.  Regardless of the movements to
    allow warmbloods crosses to be registered with ApHC, I would suggest
    putting serious thought into resale possiblities on a (as an example)
    Trak/App cross.  Papers may not mean much to you (now), but that
    could change, or you may decide to sell the horse.  Marketability
    on a polka dotted/unregistered anything drops significantly.
    
    I have several friends who are involved in promoting App's in the
    "English" arena.  I'm sure they could put you in contact with some
    good sources for stock.  Sure hope this doesn't sound to pessimistic.
    
    Ann

    Ann,  Who are the people who are the people that you know that promote
    english apps....I would be interested in talking to them!
    
    Also, I understand the up and down side of having an unregistered
    spotted horse.  I am involved with the breed shows to a certain
    degree and understand how important registered horses are in these
    circles.  However, for the most part, the circles I travel and show
    in put little stock in registration papers....the primary concern
    is performance.  I'm not naive...I know what the prejudice is against
    spots on the open circuit....I aim to find a spotted horse that
    is talented enough to do well even on the open circuit (oh well,
    so much for the judges who go crazy at the sight of spots).  Also,
    I field hunt and those people pay an arm and 3 legs for a horse
    that is quiet in the field....no matter what it looks like.  I guess
    it's just a different market.  
    
    You're response wasn't pessimistic....for the most part you speak
    the truth...I guess I'm just a rebel at heart (I'll be a broke one
    too, right?)
    
    Jeannie

    One person who comes to mind immediately is Marge Barletta.  I *THINK*
    she's in East Haven, West Haven, or Milford, CT.  I don't have her
    address handy, but I can get it.  Marge is a private owner who I
    became friendly with 'cause she and I would be the only two people
    in a ring showing polka-dotted hunters.
    
    Another person is Jackie Whipple.  Jackie's also a private owner,
    but her primary interest is Dressage.  She currently owns a 2 yr
    old filly who'd knock your socks off...she plans on showing her
    halter this year...maybe under saddle later in the year.  I'll see
    her tonight and try to get more contacts.
    
    Wilson Farm in Middletown, CT is a primarily App farm.  They have
    lots of good stock going in and out of there too.  Talk to Melanie
    Gay.
    
    Kip Shephard's wife Barbara was showing a pretty mare last year.
    I think only a 3 year old...should hold lots of potential.  I think
    just about anything on the farm is for sale.  
    
    Let me know if I can help in any way....I'm sure I'm forgetting
    a ton of people...Don't forget Linda's suggestion of Karen Dodge!
    
    Ann

    I found a really nice horse this weekend!  Private barn in New
    Hampshire....he is a real hunter type and has real potential over
    fences.  He is by Justin Marshall who occasionally throws some real
    hunter types....he has a gorgeous head and neck and is a lovely
    mover (the rest of him is nice too!)  He's 16.1 and I don't love
    his color but he should polish up pretty nicely.  He's a roan with
    splashes of color.  Now....if he will just pass the vet.  Will keep
    you posted and thanks for the suggestions.  (re: .9...I've been
    to Wilson's and Shepards....anyway, if those other people you mentioned
    have a hunter type mare...I have a friend who is looking)
    
    Jeannie

    Congratulations, Jeanne!  Hope all works out.
    
    If you're friend is interested in a coming 2 yr old filly let me
    know via VAXmail.  I have a friend who's got one that she said she'd
    talk about selling to the right party.
    
    Ann

Congratulations, Jeanne!  

I have been dying to tell you that I have exactly the horse you described, but
thought it would be bad form until you found one of your own. He's a Leopard
App gelding, about 15.2 - 16 hands, real long legged, terrific mover, and (when
not proving otherwise) generally very eager. I have not started him jumping
yet, but he has shown willingness and ability when confronted with a few
impromtu obstacles on trail rides. For those of you who follow this file, this
is the same horse that I described in my introduction note. We have both come a
long way in the last year. 
    
Good luck to you. I hope that your new find turns out as well as mine.

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    re:  .12
    
    Well, if my new find dosen't pass the vet, I guess I'll have to
    convince you to sell me your horse!  I wonder how many app enthusiasts
    out there would be interested in get together of some kind.  Do
    you show on the app circuit?
    
    J

 re:  .13
    
No, I don't show on the app circuit. I'm a real novice. My instructor
has been trying to convince me to show. She says its good for both me and
the horse. But I'd rather wait until I'm more proficient. I'd hate to
waste some poor judge's time.

As for an App get together, I'd love to but the geography is not in
my favor. I'm in the Carolinas. I offered my farm for the last get
together, but didn't get too many takers!!

Selling my horse is absolutely out of the question! If you're nice
to me, I might let you LOOK at him. (ha!) I never understood how
these "horse people" could get so attached to their animals. Now,
after a year of blood, sweat, and tears, I've fallen into the
same trap. God help us all!!

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    This is it you guys!  I'm ready to slit my throat.....(sounds drastic,
    dosen't it?)   My spotted thoroughbred failed the vet!!@#*$%^&*
    ...it seems he has the beginnings of navicular.  Well, here we go
    again...the search is on (and boy, am I getting sick of looking).
    My trip to Colorado is off for now (it's Grand Rapids instead!).
     Please keep your eyes peeled and, Ed, you better keep your horse
    under lock and key!
    
    Jeannie