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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

849.0. "Suntour Superbe Pro or Ultegra?" by MQOS02::P_BOURASSA (Pierre Bourassa - Montreal) Tue Sep 06 1988 12:40

Hi,

I am in the process of buying a new bike and I need some advices.
The models that I am interested in are:

- Marinoni ($800)
	Columbus SL frame
	Shimano 600 Ultegra complete group

- Miele Valdor ($900)
	Columbus SL frame
	Suntour Superbe Pro complete group

The prices mentionned are canadian, so take off about 25% for an
equivalent in US $.

In magazines, I never found any detailed information about the Suntour
group.  However, it seems to be praised a lot in the few lines I have
read about it.  Has anyone of you had experience with Superbe Pro?
Otherwise  I might as well go with the Marinoni with the Ultegra group.
I beleive both frames are about the same (Miele might have a nicer
finish than the Marinoni).

Thanks,

Pierre.
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849.1I think they are comparable.NOVA::FISHERBMB FinisherTue Sep 06 1988 13:166
    SUPERBE PRO is really nice.  I usually rotate the parts so I can
    feel the smoothness of the bearing surfaces and have always
    felt good about the Superbe Pro stuff.  600 EX felt about the
    same.  I have not yet drooled over 600 Ultegra.
    
    ed
849.2One vote for UltegraUMBIKE::KLASMANTue Sep 06 1988 16:1310
< Note 849.0 by MQOS02::P_BOURASSA "Pierre Bourassa - Montreal" >
                      -< Suntour Superbe Pro or Ultegra? >-

I have a Marinoni with Ultegra drivetrain and love it!  I'd highly recommend 
it.  I never liked Suntour...I'm a dedicated Shimano freak!

That's a great price you've listed.  What is it, end of year sale?  My frame 
cost me $625 US, about 3 months ago.

Kevin
849.3I'll stick with Superbe ProSVCRUS::CRANETue Sep 06 1988 17:158
    
      I/ve Been racing for three years on superbe Pro without even the
    slightest problem. These components perform smooth and steady for
    the longhaul and durability is very important when you ride and
    race alot.
    
                                               John C.
    
849.4SUBERBE > OR = 600AKOV11::FULLERTue Sep 06 1988 19:1512
    Shimano seems to have the index shifting down pat, I cannot comment
    on the Suntour.  Suntour Superbe is a high-end component, it is
    cold forged aluminum.  This results in long wear charateristics,
    ie: length of time before replacing chainrings. I have used and
    have loved the Superbe brakes and pedals.  An interesting experiment,
    take off both wheels and compare the bearings, its not hard to judge
    the quality difference here if there is any.
    
    A more important question:  Are the frames both designed the same?
    If not, which one is better suited for your riding style?
    
    steve
849.5Some ConsiderationsCESARE::JOHNSONWed Sep 07 1988 07:5620
    Here in Europe, Miele is better known for their washing machines
    than their bicycles.  Marinoni is a guy who builds bikes, period, 
    in Canada.  Those facts aside, you should still ride the bikes,
    and buy the one that performs best.
    
    Superbe Pro is a sleeper of a component line.  It's not as
    feature-laden as 600 Ultegra, but Ultegra has not been on the market
    long enough for its reliability to be tested.  Everybody I've known
    who's owned Superbe (especially brakes and derailleurs) has loved it.
    I have some hubs; they're smooth, not as fast rolling as Campy Record
    (because they're sealed), but they require nearly zero maintenence.
    They're on my training wheels, and I expect them to last forever. 

    The only problem with Superbe is getting parts when they finally
    DO break.  I have a seven-year-old Superbe derailleur that I broke
    the tensioning spring to while I was cleaning it.  After a year
    of asking and scrounging, I STILL can't find a replacement spring!
    Suntour's US distributor is worthless.
    
    MATT
849.6Another Vote for Superbe ProSTRATA::RNEWCOMBThe Year of the BillsWed Sep 07 1988 11:227
    I have had my Superbe Pro groupo for two years now and haven't
    had the slightest complaint.  The derailleurs are very smooth
    and the durability of the components is excellent.  I cannot
    make comparisons with the Ultrega but I would certainly advise
    any of my friends to buy the Superbe Pro
    
    Newc