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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

130.0. "Ironing Out HILL SWAYING" by BPOV09::ERICKSON () Tue Aug 12 1986 16:49

    Although my power on hills is developing nicely, I've noticed 
    lately that my side-to-side swaying has become very pronounced.
    I've smoothed it out a bit by positioning my hands on the brake
    lever stems, but that sway is still there.
    
    I'm keeping the reps high, like 70-80, and standing. But I know
    I'm not pulling up on the clips the way I should; perhaps emphasizing
    this more might balance the power delivery and straighten out the
    sway.
    
    What do you folks think? What should I work on to straighten out
    the sway? How much is permissible?
    
    Thanks, and have a GREAT day!
    
    John E.
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130.1On a roll, now!SUSHI::KMACDONALDEngineer on the Train of ThoughtTue Aug 12 1986 17:513
Riding rollers is a great way to emphasize sway. Sprinting/standing up 
while riding rollers is real fun......
                                            ken
130.2APOLLO::DEHAHNTue Aug 12 1986 19:1927
    
    Re: -1 hahahahahahaha
    
    Seriously, don't stand on the rollers. 
    
    Swaying up hills while standing is natural and normal. When I climb
    out of the saddle I use the leverage of the bars to "push" up the
    hill. The bike rocks side to side between my legs.
    
    Swaying a lot while IN the saddle, though, is a waste of energy.
    Slight bobbing of the shoulders is normal, but you shouldn't be
    wrenching to each side.
    
    Do what feels natural. Overemphasizing "proper" technique is a common
    mistake for beginning racers. It's much more important to feel loose
    and comfortable in your technique than to worry about how many calories
    you are throwing away to wasted effort. The first thing to do is
    relax. You'll be surprised how fast your personal technique will develop
    afterwards. Everyone's technique is different, Eddie B's, Lemond's,
    Merckx's, CdH's 8^). Develop yours the way YOU feel best. If you
    are really doing something wrong, you'll know about it because it
    just won't feel right.
    
    CdH
    
    
    
130.3NATASH::WAGNERTue Aug 12 1986 22:358
    RE: .2
    
    Here, here.
    
    Too many "How To" books make cycling form sound like something for
    a robot to work at perfecting.  Do not become an automaton on the
    bike.  Develop a style which is both efficient AND comfortable;
    it will pay off on the long ride.
130.4BPOV09::ERICKSONWed Aug 13 1986 15:5627
    Thank you for your continued support...
    
    What motivated me to write '.0 was not so much a lack of physical
    comfort but the sound produced by the contact between my front tire
    and the road surface. As I torque up the hill I can hear a bit of
    side-to-side slippage, especially if the road has a slight bit of
    sand on it. 
    
    I think the following is happening: As I stand and forcefully deliver
    power to the cranks, my body wants to rotate around. If I'm not
    concentrating on what my arms are doing, those handlebars will rotate
    a bit and the front wheel won't be in line with the back. But the
    bike as a whole wants to go the way it's been going---thus the
    slippage.
    
    I guess I've got three things to work on;
    
    	1. Don't worry so much what it looks like; be comfortable!
    
    	2. Watch out for handlebar movement
    
    	3. Try to make the power delivery equally distributed---work
    	   on "pulling" with the opposite leg
    
    Have a great one,
    
    John E.
130.5APOLLO::DEHAHNThu Aug 14 1986 11:4316
    
    Those are three good things to work on. As far as handlebar movement
    is concerned, don't worry about side to side movement, that's ok.
    The bars shouldn't TURN, however. A slight pivoting as alright but
    you shouldn't be wobbling up the hill.
    
    After you get proficient at proper weight transfer between the strokes,
    try the pushing technique I described before. It helps. BTW, you
    should be on the brake hoods when climbing out of the saddle.
    
    Keep up the good work,
    
    CdH
    
    
    
130.6HANDS NEXT TO THE STEM!!WITNES::SCHUETTESun Aug 17 1986 21:468
    If you have problems with swaying on hill climbs (assuming your
    still sitting down), GRAB YOUR BARS RIGHT NEXT TO THE STEM!!!  This
    reduces the moment arm and keeps you from swaying.  This position
    also has the added benefit of shifting your butt back on the seat
    (thereby increasing your apparent saddle hieght, which provides
    for more torque out of your legs (if you want to "spin to win" lower
    your saddle, which is recommended for Crits, however, if you are
    timetrialing, raise your your saddle a tad (1/4"?).
130.7APOLLO::DEHAHNMon Aug 25 1986 20:0116
    
    Another good point...when climbing in the saddle you should be as
    far back as comfortable and sitting up high. The only way to do
    this is on the tops of the bars. I don't like having my hands right
    next to the stem, I prefer around the middle of the bar (I use Cinelli
    #65's) which is a nice compromise between too much torque and not
    enough stability, which is what I feel when next to the stem.
    
    Hey Rick, how about some of us doing a racing clinic in the fall?
    
    I'm game.
    
    
    CdH
    
    
130.8RACING CLINICWITNES::SCHUETTEWed Aug 27 1986 17:336
    RACING CLINIC - Sounds great, maybe a good way to promote a racing
    team.  
    
    I assume some Saturday or Sunday would be most appropriate.  How
    about September 21st.  Any interested bikers, please reply to
    Witnes::Schuette