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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
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2708.0. "Madness '94 (Raid Leman-Med)" by IDEFIX::CODGER::HEMMINGS (Lanterne Rouge) Tue Nov 23 1993 11:29

From the Group that brought you Raid '92 and Geneva - Venice '93 -

Cross-posted from MOVIES::EURO_RANDONNEUR because I know more people read
this file.  Don't get too hung up on the deniv - we have since made some
serious mapreading and discovered that they measure up and down, so it's
really only 16 km of vertical climbing.  Note 63 in the above file
contains the discussion to date.
       
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I would like to offer the following as my suggestion for Madness '94.  All
those who said things like "..France and the Alps...", "...I'll even come
over from the US..", will be expected to jump in enthusiastically and sign
on immediately.

                RAID LEMAN - MEDITERRANEE
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          730 km ------ 21 cols ------ 31238 m deniv (!!)

Route:
Thonon - col de Cou - col de Perret - col de Chatillon - Cluses -
col de la Colombiere - col des Aravis - col des Saisies - Beaufort -
col de Meraillet - Cornet de Roseland - Bourg St Maurice - Val d'Isere -
col de l'Iseran - Lanslebourg - Modane - St Michel de Maurienne -
col du Telegraph - col du Galibier - col de Lautaret - Briancon -
col d'Izoard - Arvieux - Guillestre - col de Vars - Ubaye - Jausiers -
Barcelonnette - col de la Cayolle - Guillaumes - Valberg - Beuil -
col de la Couillole - St Dalmas Valdeblore - col St Martin -
St Martin Vesubie - La Bollene - col de Turini - Sospel - col de Castillon
Menton - La Turbie - col d'Eze - Nice.

Time:
90 hr Sportif 132 hr Cyclotouriste

Controles:
Thonon, Habere Lullin, Taninges, col des Aravis, Beaufort, co de l'Iseran,
Valloire, col d'Izoard, col de Vars, Entraunes, Valberg,
St Dalmas Valdeblore, col de Turini, Menton, La Turbie, Nice.

Time period:
1 July to 15 September, assuming the cols are open.

Fees and awards:
70 FF, and every participant will receive an insignia (whatever that may
mean) specially created for this Raid.

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2708.1Time period?LASSIE::ZIELONKOTue Nov 23 1993 20:258
>Time:
>90 hr Sportif 132 hr Cyclotouriste
>
>Time period:
>1 July to 15 September, assuming the cols are open.

What does "time period" mean here? This period is certainly longer than 132
hours.
2708.2MOVIES::WIDDOWSONOpenVMS engineering, EcosseWed Nov 24 1993 06:276
    It means that you cannot start before 01/Jul or finish after 15/Sep
    (which is mostly impossible because of snow) chosing any time during
    this bracket you then have 132 hours to get from the lake to the sea.
    
    I've spent time looking at the maps for this one and looks really
    nice...
2708.3Elapsed...IDEFIX::CODGER::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeWed Nov 24 1993 07:1411
Yes, it's total elapsed time, just like the Raid Pyrennean, you can do your 
own thing like ride day and night until you drop or organise it in stages. 
Our schedule is aimed at 105-110 hrs.  As Rod says, if you look at the 
Galibier for example, there is no guarantee that the snow will be cleared in 
time which is why they suggest the dates.

We expect to be doing it sometime after the Tour because some of those 
interested want to combine it with a see-the-Tour trip.  Our schedule is 
aimed at 105-110 hrs.Working on the famous 10:1 ratio extrapolated, I would 
expect anyone wanting to take it on to have at least 4000km in the legs from 
Jan 1, and also have experience of a 200km day with 2500m deniv. 
2708.4PAKORA::GGOODMANRippled, with a flat undersideWed Nov 24 1993 09:019
> Working on the famous 10:1 ratio extrapolated, I would 
> expect anyone wanting to take it on to have at least 4000km in the legs from 
> Jan 1, and also have experience of a 200km day with 2500m deniv. 
    
    2500m deniv? You mean that you expect them to come from France then? 
    :*) I struggle to find roads round here to do that in a month...  :*(
    (or should that be a :*)?
    
    Graham.
2708.5NOVA::FISHERUS Patent 5225833Wed Nov 24 1993 10:145
    Qu'est-ce c'est le "deniv", ehh?
    
    Like, ahh, "climbing" or "elevation gain"?
    
    ed
2708.6What the divil.....IDEFIX::CODGER::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeWed Nov 24 1993 10:538
2708.7KIRKTN::GGOODMANRippled, with a flat undersideWed Nov 24 1993 11:308
2708.8sounds like a great way to spend 100 hoursLASSIE::ZIELONKOWed Nov 24 1993 20:533
So it sounds like the check points are manned during the whole time period and
you may do the ride any time inside that period? there must at least be someone
at the start and finish for the whole 6 week span, no?
2708.9Works like thisJURA::PELAZ::MACFADYENListen, get thisThu Nov 25 1993 07:329
2708.10..or a postcardIDEFIX::CODGER::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeThu Nov 25 1993 08:306
... or you post a card to the organisers at a suitable bureau de poste en 
route, marked with the date and time of passing and the members of the equipe 
at the time.

It's open to escrocerie of course, but if that turns you on, then just do 
it...
2708.11whazzat?NOVA::FISHERUS Patent 5225833Fri Nov 26 1993 08:551
    escrocerie?
2708.12IDEFIX::CODGER::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeFri Nov 26 1993 11:046
Sorry, but it's a lovely word you can really put a lot of feeling into - it 
covers all types of swindling, fiddling and shady dealings.  J_q_es Me_d_c_n 
and Bernard T seem to be the leading exponents in France at present.

PS Cheating the Revenue (Income Tax?) is not escroc, it is called the 
National Sport. (and they are better at it than they are at Le Foot).
2708.13MOVIES::WIDDOWSONOpenVMS engineering, EcosseFri Nov 26 1993 11:362
    ... and to bring this firmly back line.  Bernard Tapie was for a while
    the owner of `La Vie Clair'....