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Conference noted::bicycle

Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

2017.0. "How does altitude affect speed?" by RUTILE::MACFADYEN (You're just guessing) Thu Jul 25 1991 12:09

    Here's a question to ponder. There may even be some hard facts
    available.
    
    o  How does altitude affect time-trial times? (All other things being
       equal.)
    
    As I see it, the higher you are, the less air resistance there is. But
    at lower altitudes there's more oxygen to breathe, and that must be
    significant to an athlete working at the aerobic limit. I believe that
    times in distance running events at the Mexico city Olympics were
    lowered due to the altitude (5000'), but then again, air resistance is
    more important to a cyclist.
    
    What do you think?
    
    
    Rod
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2017.1No chance.......IDEFIX::HEMMINGSLanterne RougeThu Jul 25 1991 12:442
 At 6 kph on the top of the Colle nell'Agnello (26xx metres) it was more than
air resistance slowing me down............ %>)
2017.2Think so...PAKORA::GGOODMANNumber 1 in a field of 1Thu Jul 25 1991 13:128
    
    	Re .0
    
    	Didn't the track records fall at the '86 Worlds in Colorado Springs
    for that resaon ?
    
    Graham.
    
2017.3NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurThu Jul 25 1991 13:243
    Franscesco Moser set a new hour record at Mexico City.
    
    ed
2017.4I think they are separateAD::CRANEI'd rather be on my bicycleThu Jul 25 1991 13:5810
    
    
      If I remember correctly there are different records for high altitude
    velodromes and low altitude velodromes.  I have no idea what defines
    "high altitude" and "low altitude" but I'm pretty sure there are
    separate records.  Does anybody have a listing of current world
    records?
    
    John C.
    
2017.5They are separateMVSX00::MVSX02::GISLERTRI = action for real athletesFri Jul 26 1991 05:4428
	re: .4  -  John C.

	You're right, there are two separate records: high and low altitude.
	If I remember well, the limite is as follows:

	- under 1000 meters above sea = low altitude (Milano, Vicenza which
	  are tracks very close to where Francesco Moser lives and

	- above 1000 meters agove sea = high altidude.

	And there is even an extra indoor record (I do'nt know if high and
	low altitude).

	In fact, Moser's record in Mexico-City was probably an excellent 
	compromise between an air resistance kept as little as possible
        and the best oxygen supply for hard working body. 

	BTW: Moser was always looked after by the famous Doctor Conconi, the 
	one who set the milestones for VO2max tests and the tests of the
	aerobic limit.

	I have an encyclopaedia of most cycling records, but the book was
	probably issued before Moser's last records. However, if you're
	interested, I can put in some of them.

	Norbert.

2017.6RUTILE::MACFADYENYou're just guessingFri Jul 26 1991 07:3611
    Re .5:  So the "best" altitude for time-trialling isn't at sea-level,
    it's somewhere around the height of Mexico city? 
    
    Presumably that means the best altitude for climbing is at sea-level
    (air resistance less significant at lower speeds, oxygen requirement at
    max). 
    
    Pity it isn't the other way round. Such is life.
    
    
    Rod
2017.7World recordsMVSX00::MVSX02::GISLERdon't forget to pedalMon Jul 29 1991 09:0334
	re .4  -  John C.

	Here are the world records of the hour for the last 50 years.

	According to the specialists, this competition is considered as the
	most important one in cycling. It is the highest distinction all
	cyclists who have already won big races are dreaming of.


	When		Who		Where			Distance in km
	
	07-11-1942	F. Coppi (I)	Milano-Vigorelli	45.848
	29-06-1956	J. Anquetil (F)	"			46.159
	19-09-1956	E. Baldini (F)	"			46.393
	18-09-1957	R. Riviere (F)	"			46.923
	23-09-1958	R. Riviere (F)	"			47.346
	30-10-1967	F. Bracke (B)	Rome			48.093
	10-10-1968	O. Ritter (DK)	Mexico-Olimico		48.653
	25-10-1972	E. Merckx (B)	"			49.431
	19-01-1984	F. Moser (I)	"			50.808
	23-01-1984	F. Moser (I)	"			51.151

	30-10-1986	F. Moser (I)	Moscou (?)		49.801
			(record under 600 meters above sea)



	20-09-1986	J. Longo (F)	Colorado-Springs	44.770
	??-11-1986	J. Longo (F)	?? under 600 meters	43.587

	BTW: 51.151 km/h = 1 min 10.38 sec per km ! 

	Norbert
2017.8If only we can get a velodrome around hereAD::CRANEI'd rather be on my bicycleMon Jul 29 1991 11:499
    
      Thanks dude!
    
      I think I'll put this one in my own personal record books for future
    use!
    
      John C.
    
    
2017.9Velodrome in winterMVSX00::MVSX02::GISLERno hills in a velodromeMon Jul 29 1991 14:148
	Yeah! I understand you. 

	We are lucky in Geneva. Since last winter we have a velodrome open
	to non licenced cyclists. Its length is 166.666 meters.
	I can tell you it's really fun. It also helps you to keep in shape.

	Norbert
2017.10another data pointOXNARD::KLEEKen LeeTue Aug 06 1991 21:556
    Another data point - the speed record for a human powered vehicle was
    set on a (faired recumbant) bicycle at Lake Tahoe, California a few
    years ago.  Elevation there is over 6000'.  The rider (Fred Markham)
    rode over 65mph on a level surface for 200 yards.
    
    Ken
2017.1154 mph for 1 kilometerULTRA::WITTENBERGUphill, Into the WindWed Aug 07 1991 12:459
    Fred Markham  (Fast  Freddie) just set a low altitude record for a
    1000 meter run. It was in the low 50 miles/hour range. 53 or 54 if
    I remember correctly.

    This was  on  a  modified version of the Gold Rush on which he set
    the  record  mentioned  in  .10. The new version is 9" lower and 4
    lbs. lighter.

--David
2017.12nitNOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurWed Aug 07 1991 13:383
    "the NON-DRAFTING speed record for a human powered vehicle was" ...
    
    ed