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     I like it! Laser sighting, mapping for road races, tire pressure,
    air speed, etc... We can all become JEDI KNIGHTS on wheels!
    
     Chip

    And the closing speed of that canine at 2 o'clock, ...
    
    ed

    
>>>    And the closing speed of that canine at 2 o'clock, ...
    
    WOW....if we can get the closing speed of the dog we should
    also be able to superimpose a *Top Gun* type sighting mechanism 
    on him and blast him with our photon-phasers...We'll never
    have to worry about leash laws again.
    						_Jerry
    
    BTW - I wonder if this is the technology that AVOCET was waiting
    	  for before they incorporated and average speed display into
    	  their micro-meter :-)

    Maybe if you could up the power of the radar, you could fry him
    before he got too close....

    ...and on that subject, ever since the claim of 17mph as top
    speed for canines, I've clocked the occasional dog with my
    Cateye (appropriate, eh?).  Even tiny little dogs can manage
    over 17mph - and 22-23mph is no stretch for the big ones.  And
    mind you, these were happy dogs that just wanted to chase, 
    not in pursuit of their dinner.
    
    -john

    Head-up displays seem a little over-the-top, but an extra facility that
    could be really useful to boast about is an altimeter. I thought that
    this was just a pipe-dream, cycle-computer-wise, until I flipped
    through a climbing magazine a few weeks ago. And there they were!
    Full-page adverts for climbers' watches with built-in altimeters!
    
    Well, if they can have them, why can't we? I look forward to seeing the
    Cateye 'Galibier' in the shops very soon...
    
    
    Rod

    <<< Note 1352.6 by JUMBLY::MACFADYEN "Why on Earth am I still here?" >>>
                       -< Let's see... metres or feet? >-

>    Head-up displays seem a little over-the-top, but an extra facility that
>    could be really useful to boast about is an altimeter. I thought that
>    this was just a pipe-dream, cycle-computer-wise, until I flipped

Its no pipe-dream.  Some company has been advertising a cycle-computer with 
altimeter, thou I can't remember which one.  Cost about $130 US, or so.  I'd 
love to have one... along with all the other gadgets mentioned earlier.  Could 
use the radar-range finder when chasing down a rider ahead of you :^)

Kevin

ps.  Love those splits, Jerry.

    Well, while we're on the subject...
    
    We have the "Cateye Navigator."  You show up for a ride,
    the ride leader hands you a cue-sheet micro chip which you
    plug into your Cateye Navigator for a moment, then as you
    go off through the hinterlands, your navigator keeps you
    informed of upcoming turns, road conditions, grocery store
    and (control yourself, Mike) Ice Cream stands.
    
    When you're done, you offload the information to your PC so
    you can compare your ride with the next time you do it, log
    your calories comsumed, miles ridden, pedal revolutions, tire
    wear, miles/hr/degree headwinds, heart beats/minute, cu ft O2
    inhaled, dweebs tweaked, and whatever else you desire.
    
    ED

                <<< Note 1352.8 by NOVA::FISHER "Pat Pending" >>>
              -< The Cateye Navigator II  (never start with a I) >-

>    We have the "Cateye Navigator."  You show up for a ride,

I'll take 2!

Kevin

    	I'm not so sure about the altimiter (don't do so good doing
    differential calc. in my head), but I could use a gradient indicator.
        And, some of my friends say that I could use the navigator.
    
    	- Chris   "I may be lost, but I'm making good time."

    I noticed that Casio has a new diver's style wrist watch with a built
    in altimeter/barometer.  the price was around $35-40 I think.  Beats me
    if it is accurate but it looks like it would be fun to have (my rides
    have ranged this year from sea level to 11,000+ feet...Colorado passe
    
    Mike

    re: .11
    
    It's called the Alti-Depth watch (by Casio).  There's a writeup in
    the October issue of Outside magazine.  According to the article,
    the price is approximately $100.00.  Accurate to 20 feet, max of
    13120 feet.
    
    rsb

    FYI
    
    I saw this Casio Alti-depth on the back of the DAK cat.
    79.90 + 4.00 postage and handling cat. #5283  
    call 1-800-325-0800 for more info or to order.
    
    I have had excellent results with DAK
    

    John

>>    ...and on that subject, ever since the claim of 17mph as top
>>    speed for canines...

Where was this - in the note about the lady bitten by a dog?  As 
for the claim itself, we were mtn biking this past summer and saw 
a doberman take off after 2 deer.  If he was topped out at 17 MPH, 
that means I might reach 1 MPH on a 2-mile 30-degree downhill on 
asphalt...  ;^)

Scott

>>    ...and on that subject, ever since the claim of 17mph as top
>>    speed for canines...

Actually, my late great dog Frito had a top speed of right around 17 
mph. He was a miniature dachshund; I suspect that a dog with longer than 
4 inch legs could go faster!
                                ken

    re: - a few
    
    I've been just a reader of this notesfile for a while, but something
    happened to me the other day that made me think of this note; my
    neighbor has a Greyhound (dog not a bus) and the other day he (the dog)
    was trotting along side of my car and my speedometer was reading
    between 30-35 MPH.  Granted a Greyhound is not your typical
    neighborhood canine, but I sure wouldn't want to be trying to outrun
    him on my bike (big ugly teeth too).
    
    Later,
    Brian
    

    
    
    
    
    
>    neighbor has a Greyhound (dog not a bus) and the other day he (the dog)
>    was trotting along side of my car and my speedometer was reading
>    between 30-35 MPH.  Granted a Greyhound is not your typical
>    neighborhood canine, but I sure wouldn't want to be trying to outrun
>    him on my bike (big ugly teeth too).
 
    
    Well, there is always the possibility that the dog was running at
    17mph, and the speedometer on your car is off.  ;'}
    
    	-Nancy (who is in a contrary mood today)
    
    
    
    
    

    There's a 3 legged dog on Brookline Rd in Pepperell (on the other end
    it's Pepperell Rd in Brookline) that can do better than 17 mph.
    
    17 mph must be some kind of "average dog" rather than a lean mean bike
    "fan".
    
    ed

    The doberman  on my route home seems to drop behind at 27 mph, but
    that  may  be  because  he  reached  the  end of "his terrritory".
    Luckily I'm going down hill when I pass his house.

--David

    re: .19
    
    	If you know that the dog will be there, you could always plan
    a humanitarian "training session" for it.  The owners should consider 
    it a service but since they let it run loose in the road, they 
    may not be intelligent enough to understand why.

    re:20
    
     I ask out of curisoity. What is a humanitarian "training session" for
    a doberman that runs loose and can run 27mph? I ask because I pass a
    house that has three loose boxers that also run very fast. I have been
    thinking of alternate methods to remedy the situation.
    
    
    

Maybe a humanitarian training session is to shoot the dogs. It does
    humanity a favor.
    
    steve p
    

    re:-.1
    
    There should have been a :-) on the previous reply. I don't really
    like the idea of shooting dogs.
    
    Sorry about that.
    
    steve p

    	Somewhat on the subject.
    
    	In Soapbox, there's a note about the MSPCA killing dogs
    	rather than allowing potential hunters to take them. Maybe
    	you can get the MSPCA to ride with you.  8-)>
    
    	Scott

    Gee, there's at least one notes file (Moans) where some of the
    correspondents feel that it's their patriotic duty to aim their cars
    at these unrestricted dogs.  I figure they might not chase a dog
    as big bas a dobey or boxer for fear of scratching the paint.
    
    I personnaly feel pretty good about surviving this year without either
    hitting a dog or being bitten.
    
    ed

 My cousin had a german shepard that loved to chase after him 
while he was riding his motorcycle. He claimed the shepard peaked 
out around 34-35 mph.....

JC

    	What is "humanitarian training", you ask.  I avoided specifics
    because I don't even want to start the debate that will inevitably
    follow.  You probably know the options.
    
    	When I lived in New England, a townie cop once told me that
    he wouldn't do anything about a problem dog until it actually bit
    someone.  The owner was a friend of the chief or something similarly
    nepotistic (and typical.)  That's when "dog training" becomes important
    and my compassion dwindles.

    
    re:27
    
     Gee, given Hollywood's perverted slant I would think that kind of thing
    only happened in the South.

    
    
       So just what does all this conversation about doggy top speed
    have to do with high tech ?
    
       Hhmmmmmm maybe its leading to new high tech dog disposal methods.
    
       Handlebar mounted weapons against K-9 competition.
       Laser sighting for a 100 PSI Mase cannon.
       Telescoping pumps for extended reach.
       Guide Doggy missles mount underneath the Saddle next to the spare.
    
    
       Etc, Etc, Etc..........
    
       JOhn C.
    

    
    	How about a doggie version of the warm water SCUBA divers 
    favorite.....the shark stick?  Clips under the top tube like an
    ordanary zefal pump, but when it's in the HP position the HP
    stands for HIGH PAIN Puppy Nuker.  I tend to think I'd gladly
    pay up to $20 for this type of protection.  Especially if I had
    to confine my bike riding to Pepprel :-).  Any electronic techno
    dweebes out there that want to put together a field test version
    for the Digits Bike Club?
    
    							_Jerry

    Re: -.1
    
    you sparked my interest. I wonder if a cattle prod would be a useful
    item in such circumstances. They don't hurt cattle-- injure them,
    I mean-- though I wouldn't take any bets on a dog. I just don't
    know. The problem might come about if you accidentally prodded your
    own bike-- bike's being metal...
    
    steve p

    we had a bike club member who solo'd to Buffalo, NY a few years ago
    from Wilton, NH.  We all new that her protection -- an electric zapper
    of some kind -- was a concealed weapon.  We figured that if she had the
    guts to ride by herself she had the courage to face the NY Judicial
    system if they found her out.
    
    ed

    	Be Serious.  I can see me in the planning stages of
    my cross country trip now, applying for *pistol* permits
    to all of the states that I intend to cross in route, just
    to legalize my *cattle/doggie nuker/prod*.  If this is fact
    and not fiction, I might have to consider re-joing the NRA.
    
    						_Jerry

    RE: .11, .12, 13 (Casio Alti-Depth watch)
    
    This sounded too interesting to pass up, so I called DAK three weeks
    ago and ordered one.  Just arrived this morning.
    
    It has an analog face with a digital display at the bottom.  The
    digital display choices are:  altitude (in either feet or meters),
    barometric pressure (in millibars), depth (in feet or meters), alarm,
    various timers, time, and maximum altitude (i may have missed
    something).  Also, there are alarms when you reached preset depths
    or heights.
    
    interesting, yes.  useful, i don't know.
    
    -steve, at 400 feet

    As we are talking high tech here, has anybody seen the new Timex
    Velo-Trak combination cyclometer/wristwatch?  What interests me the
    most is that it has cadence, as well as all of the other typical
    cyclometer functions.  And since it's also a wristwatch, it has a clock
    included (even tells you the day of the week, for those people who go
    on really loooong rides).
    
    Anybody seen one?  Any comments?  I'm almost concerned because it has
    too many features. . .
    		
    
    	-Nancy

    <<< Note 1352.35 by WITNES::HANNULA "What will the Neighbors Think?" >>>
                          -< If it only came in pink >-

>    As we are talking high tech here, has anybody seen the new Timex
>    Velo-Trak combination cyclometer/wristwatch?  What interests me the

If it could store multiple splits, like a good running or triathlon watch, I 
buy it in an instant.  

I wouldn't worry about it having too many features.  Working in our industry, 
you should be aware of how fast the technology increases functionally and 
shrinks physically.

Kevin

>
>If it could store multiple splits, like a good running or triathlon watch, I 
>buy it in an instant.  
>

	The Performance catalog says it does laps and splits, but doesn't
	say how many.  Of course it costs as much as a cycle computer
	and a triathlon watch put together. . .


	chris

    Kevin,
    
    The Timex ad in Bicycling says that it has a 24-hour chronograph with
    lap and split.  You can call 1-800-FOR-TIMEX for more details. 
    Suggested retail price $75.
    
    My concern with "too many features" is that being a recreational rider, 
    many of the features I would never use.  Such as laps and split,
    24-hour countdown timer, hourly chimes, etc.  But it has 2 of the
    fetures I want - a clock and cadence.
    
    All in all, it looks like a great new gadget.
    
    	-Nancy

    Altimeter watches? Nearly, but not quite... Anyway, the proper
    altimeter cyclocomputer has arrived!
    
    The new Avocet 50 incorporates, current, trip and total altitudes as
    well as all the other usual computer functions, including cadence. So
    there - all I need now is money to buy it, hills to cycle up and time
    to do so. That's not much to ask for, now is it.
    
    
    Rod