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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

3212.0. "Need help getting through unlit tunnels. Appropriate lighting?" by UCXAXP::ZIELONKO () Sat May 24 1997 10:49

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UCXAXP::ZIELONKO                                     32 lines  24-MAY-1997 11:50
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In my two trips to ride in Europe I encountered one difficulty for which I have
yet to find a solution. I have a hell of a time getting through those infernal
unlit tunnels. I find it incredibly difficult

   to balance the bike
   to tell what side of the road I'm on
   to tell if I'm about to collide with oncoming cars on one side or the wall on
     the other.

At the top of the Marmolada pass (aka. Passo di Fedaia) there are two of these
treacherous beasties that are so bad I had to walk. One thing I have noticed.
(Correct me if I'm wrong.) is that the pavement in the tunnels is atrocious. Why
is that?

On my last trip <(to the Dolomites) I took a small light. It was a vista lite
with 4 AAA batteries and a 2 watt bulb. This just didn't cut it. I am now
looking for a better light - one that has more brightness and yet is
self-contained. I really don't want to be riding around in the mountains with a
heavy battery pack that I will only use for a couple tenths of a mile. Since the
light won't be turned on that long I don't care about the burn time.

Also if anyone has any other ideas for solutions for the tunnel problem other
lighting or has had similar problems and solved them please let me know.

What are the rules of ettiqutte when passing through these things? I don;'t feel
comfortable riding off to the right since I can't tell whjere the wall is. I
would prefer to ride down the center of the lane if this was possible/acceptable
practice.

Any suggestions?

Karol
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3212.1reply from Colorado mountain tunnel riderCOOKIE::MUNNSdaveTue May 27 1997 15:5711
    A light pointed to the right may help you keep enough distance from the 
    wall.  Another light pointed down in front of the front wheel may help you 
    avoid surprises on the ground.  Those 2 visual cues will also help with
    balance.  The trick is having something bright or focused enough.  Those
    tunnels are incredibly dark.  Maybe a visor on your helmet would help 
    shield your eyes from oncoming light.  Perhaps a mirror that reflects 
    oncoming light down and to the side would help.
    
    Those small flashing Vista head (white) and tail (red) lights 
    may warn other vehicles of your presence. You can quickly snap them onto 
    the front and back straps of a backpack.
3212.2UCXAXP::ZIELONKOWed May 28 1997 12:354
Thanks for the advice. I am looking for an absolutely minimal setup though. Two
lights are out of the question.

Karol
3212.3More lighting questionsUCXAXP::ZIELONKOTue Jun 03 1997 19:5118
On looking through the catalogs I see that the VistaLite VL400 comes with a
simple 2watt bulb and takes 4 AA batteries. The Next kight up is the VL410 which
comes with something they call "High power" Ni-Cad rechargable AA batteries.
Everything else about the VL410 is the same as the VL400. Ie. same housing, same
2 watt buld.

So, pardon my dumb question but, what will different NiCad batteries bring to
the equation other than the obvious advantage of being rechargable? Will the
light be brighter with the Ni-Cad batteries even when the bulb is the same 2
watt bulb? What governs the brightness of the light?

Yes, I admit it. I know nothing about electricity.

In the Excel catalog I see a light called the Cateye Hyper Halogen HL-1500 which
they claim is 3 times brighter than their standard light. Has anyone used this
HL-1500 item?

Karol
3212.4PCBUOA::KRATZTue Jun 03 1997 19:594
    NiCads are lighter than alkaline and regular lead acid batteries,
    which is the other main advantage.  For 2 AA's, you're hardly
    going to notice tho.
    
3212.5try this ?COOKIE::MUNNSdaveTue Jun 03 1997 20:244
    You might look at note 10 and its replies for what others have done
    to light up the darkness.  For a minimal setup, I would tape a small
    flashlight to the fork.  It would at least make the ground visible
    in front of your front wheel. This is a low speed setup.
3212.6BUSY::SLABAudiophiles do it 'til it hertz!Tue Jun 03 1997 22:074
    
    	Once a NiCad battery's output drops below a certain point the bat-
    	tery just sort of quits ... it doesn't "dim" like an alkaline does.
    
3212.7WMOIS::GIROUARD_CWed Jun 04 1997 09:479
    Au contraire, my Slabo. I have been running the Night Rider system for
    the last 4 years and can tell you, with undeniable certainty, they
    NiCads do dim... 
    
    In fact, that's my warning signal to go to the single bulb (I have the
    dual bulb system for mountain biking). My bulbs go from a white light
    to a very yellow light.
    
     Chip
3212.8BUSY::SLABAudiophiles do it 'til it hertz!Wed Jun 04 1997 12:284
    
    	Maybe it depends on the device being powered.  My portable CD
    	player would just shut down without warning.
    
3212.9ThanksUCXAXP::ZIELONKOWed Jun 04 1997 14:5523
>    You might look at note 10 and its replies for what others have done
>    to light up the darkness.

Before I posted this note I scanned the other notes on lighting. They all seemed
to

   1) be too old,
   or
   2) be for people who wanted to build their own custom lights
   or
   3) talk about lights with heavy external battery packs.

>For a minimal setup, I would tape a small
>    flashlight to the fork.  It would at least make the ground visible
>    in front of your front wheel. This is a low speed setup.

Thanks for the tip but I have already tried the VistaLite 400 and it doesn't cut
it.

So can I assume that so-called high power nicad batteries will not make the same
bulb burn any brighter?

Karol
3212.10MORE POWER!WRKSYS::FRANTZDr. AwkwardWed Jun 04 1997 15:0612
    > So can I assume that so-called high power nicad batteries will not make 
    > the same bulb burn any brighter?
    
    Correct, if in fact there are no other differences between the lights. 
    Nicads have an output voltage of 1.2V vs. 1.5 for alkalines, and
    therefore might even be dimmer (depending somewhat on the exact
    behavior of the bulb and batteries).
    
    For more light, you need more power; i.e. look for a unit with a higher
    wattage bulb.
    
    Karl
3212.11BUSY::SLABAudiophiles do it 'til it hertz!Wed Jun 04 1997 15:109
    
    	Just a quick comment ... just because a note is old doesn't mean
    	that you can't post a REPLY there instead of doing a WRITE command
    	to add a new note.
    
    	If next month you decide to buy a light for a poorly lit tunnel
    	[as opposed to an unlit tunnel], will you create another topic for
    	that situation?
    
3212.12NiCd vs alkalineSOLVIT::LANDRYWed Jun 04 1997 15:4020
>    Correct, if in fact there are no other differences between the lights. 
>    Nicads have an output voltage of 1.2V vs. 1.5 for alkalines, and
>    therefore might even be dimmer (depending somewhat on the exact
>    behavior of the bulb and batteries).
    
Not really true!  NiCds NOMINAL voltage is 1.2 and Alkalines NOMINAL voltage 
1.5.  A fully charged NiCd is about 1.45.  It will discharge fairly quickly
to 1.35-1.40 then slowly down to 1.15-1.2.  Once it's at 1.2, you've used
80-90% of the capacity and the voltage will die quickly beyond that
point.   An alkaline starts at 1.5 and drops fairly 
linearly to .9, where it's considered discharged.  An alkaline's
energy capacity will be on the order of half (or less) that of an alkaline
of the same size.  The real tradeoff is: alkalines last longer, NiCds are
rechargeable.

NiMH (nickel metal hydride) has 50% more capacity than NiCd and should
be chargeable in the same charger.  I don't think they're available in
AA size though.

chris (who used to design handheld PCs and had to worry about this stuff)
3212.13WRKSYS::FRANTZDr. AwkwardWed Jun 04 1997 16:023
    Ah, Chris, thanks for the real numbers.
    
    Karl
3212.14To clarify...WIBBIN::NOYCEPulling weeds, pickin' stonesWed Jun 04 1997 17:346
> An alkaline's
> energy capacity will be on the order of half (or less) that of an alkaline
> of the same size.

Of course Chris meant to say that a *NiCd* has half the capacity of an
alkaline of the same size.
3212.15yupSOLVIT::LANDRYWed Jun 04 1997 21:086
>
>Of course Chris meant to say that a *NiCd* has half the capacity of an
>alkaline of the same size.
>

Of course . . .  Sorry