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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

3041.0. "QUESTIONS REGARDING CAMPY EXA AND REYNOLDS 853" by STOWOA::SWFULLER () Thu Jan 18 1996 13:59

    Few questions for people using the newer technology:
    
    1. Anyone using the new campy crankset with EXA drive? I have older
       record crank without the lifters and was thinking of going to a 
       triple with this feature.
    
    2. Anyone heard positive or negative comments on the new Reynolds 853
       tubing? 
    
    steve
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3041.1REYNOLDS 853FABSIX::S_ARCHAMBEAUSun Jan 21 1996 00:465
I just bought a frame from Waterford made out of Reynolds 853 and it's great. 
It's about a 1/4 pound lighter than 753 and resists denting better.  The weight
is almost equivelant to Ti and it's nice and strong

					- Shawn 8^)
3041.2WMOIS::GIROUARD_CMon Jan 22 1996 09:356
    my Merlin is down at the shop right now for its tune-up and i've
    ordered the chainrings. i ran the cogs all last year. i really
    didn't notice any difference in shifting performance with the
    cogs. i don't expect any difference with the exa-rings either.
    
    Chip
3041.3WaterfordHYLNDR::OUELLETTEBuddy OuelletteMon Jan 22 1996 15:2923
RE: .1

>                   <<< Note 3041.1 by FABSIX::S_ARCHAMBEAU >>>
>                               -< REYNOLDS 853 >-

>I just bought a frame from Waterford made out of Reynolds 853 and it's great. 
>It's about a 1/4 pound lighter than 753 and resists denting better.  The weight
>is almost equivelant to Ti and it's nice and strong

>					- Shawn 8^)

Shawn,

I've had my sights set on a new Waterford frame made with Reynolds 753.
I was unaware they were building with 853 now.  Do you know what the price
difference is?  I believe the cost of a new Waterford 1200 frame is about
$1100 US dollars.

What color did you choose?

If you've been riding it lately, I'd really appreciate your impressions.

-Buddy
3041.4BILENKY BUILDS WITH 853STOWOA::SWFULLERMon Jan 22 1996 19:4011
    The people I have been talking to about 853 is Bilenky Cycle Works in
    Philadelphia.   I purchased a custom tandem from them in 94, which is
    a real work of art. 
    
    
    They are are 5 man operation, primarily building
    tandems...specialty is Aeromet.  I was inquiring about Aeromet road
    frame, and Steve Bilenky suggested 853, because is it now butted.  
    (heard last year that 853 was straight gauge)
    
    Steve
3041.5WATERFORD 853FABSIX::S_ARCHAMBEAUMon Jan 22 1996 23:1814
I paid $800 for my frame made from 853 tubing and it's incredible!  In the woods
on the singletrack it handles like a dream and on downhills it's so confident it
just wants you to go faster.  The frame is lugged and not TIG welded like most
frames so it has a beautiful appearence.  The new 853 frame is about a 1/4 of a
pound lighter than last years 753 and it's almost as light as Ti.  The Waterford
1200 frame is made from 753 not 853 if I'm correct.  I know we had a problem
when we ordered mine because according to Dirt Rag magazine the bike they tested
was made from 853 but the name of the bike was the name of last years 753, so
when we ordered things got mixed up and the bike was made from 753.  When
Waterford called to ask about paint (charcoal grey BTW) we asked what they made
the frame from and it was 753.  They appologized for the mix up and made me a
new frame from 853.  Both me and my wife have one and they're worth it!

					- Shawn 8^)
3041.6HYLNDR::OUELLETTEBuddy OuelletteTue Jan 23 1996 14:4810
Thanks for the info, Shawn.  I don't know much about MTB frames, but $800
seems like a pretty good price for such top quality tubing and craftsmanship.
I'm more interested in road frames and most top quality builders seem to price
their good quality frames starting around $1000.  This includes the bigger
names like Waterford and Serrota.

Thanks,

-Buddy
3041.7FABSIX::JO_BARTERSun Feb 25 1996 00:528
    I've used the Record crank with pick ups and noted it shifting a little
    easier,but not as much as they would have believe.
    
    As for the 853 I've only read great praise for it,but they were trying
    to sell frames.
    
    
                                            Jack B.
3041.8updateSTOWOA::SWFULLERMon Feb 26 1996 13:456
    From my research thus far, it appears that 853 will be a very stiff
    frame, road shock may become an issue after riding on carbon for the
    last 7 years (road).  I will most likely wait and ride one sometime.
    This material looks extremely intersting for mountain bikes.  
    
    Steve