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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

2681.0. "Chain wear information" by DNEAST::FIKE_MIKE () Fri Sep 24 1993 12:31

    
    My MTB hasn't been shifting cleanly lately and I suspected the chain
    might be worn, so I measured it link-to-link and sure enough, it was
    almost 1/8" over 12" link-to-link. I remembered that I had a D.I.D.
    chain hanging in the basement as a spare, so I installed that. I
    usually change the cluster with the chain, but didn't this time because
    this wasn't a very worn looking cluster. I ordered a new cluster and
    new Shimano chain and had planned to install them when they arrive. But
    guess what; the DID chain is shifting beautifully and the drivetrain is
    virtually silent, so I'll leave it on until I notice problems. Just for
    grins, I measured the DID chain and it was longer than the old
    chain!??! That didn't seem to make sense, so I decided to read up on
    chains. I found out some interesting stuff, so I'd though I'd share it
    for comment.
    	I've always just measured off 12" of chain and if it's longer by
    much assume it's shot and replace it.
    	Barnett's manual instead said to try this; put your chain on the
    big ring; pull it straight out at 3 o'clock - toward the front of the
    bike. If the chain moves at 6 or 12 o'clock, the chain or chainring is
    worn. THEN remove and clean the chain. Place it on edge and straight. 
    push the chain together (compressing the links) but keep it straight.
    measure it end to end. Now leave it straight and stretch it out as far
    as it will go and measure it again. If it's 1/8" longer then you have
    100% of the chain life left (it's virtually a new chain); if it's 1/4"
    longer, then it has 66% of it's life left; if it's 3/8" longer it only
    has 33% of it's life left and if it's 1/2" longer it's shot. So I tried
    this with the old Shimano chain and sure enough it was a tad over 3/8"
    longer stretched than compressed, so it was shot.
    	It also said that indications of a worn chain are: noisy inaccurate
    shifting, noisy running or an occasional slip felt as a loud "clunk"
    when you're pedalling hard (as the chain actually slips over a tooth
    and reseats on the next tooth).
    	I also found out that Shimano isn't the only chain that uses a
    special pin. There was another brand mentioned that has a pin that is
    the only one you CAN remove; and there was one chain that can only go
    on one way (has an up and a down  to the chain).
    	Interesting stuff.
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2681.1Nice trick, but how?ODIXIE::RRODRIGUEZSign Here X__________Fri Sep 24 1993 13:0713
2681.2Clarification needed!MARVIN::WESTONFish shaped hysteriaFri Sep 24 1993 13:3413
    I'm confused too. I can understand the chain moving (slightly) if the
    chain *ring* is worn, because the worn teeth will allow the chain to be
    pulled round it. But if the chain itself is worn, then surely that
    would *redude* the movement at 12 and 6 o'clock, becuase the chain
    wear would soak up any tendency to move.

    The idea of pushing and pulling the chain on a straight edge sound a
    more accurate way of measuring wear. But for what length of chain are
    the stretch measures given (1/4" = 66% life left, etc.)?  The full
    length, or a fixed number of links? If it's the full length, then must
    assume that all chains are approximately the same length (not true!).

    -Les.
2681.3more chain stuff.DNEAST::FIKE_MIKEFri Sep 24 1993 14:3717
    re;.1
    	I am assuming that what they mean is that when you pull the chain
    forward at 3 o'clock, the chain shouldn't move at all at 6 or 12
    because the teeth are firmly seated in the valleys of the chainring.
    That would be the case if the ring and chain were in good condition.
    As the ring wears the valleys get longer and the teeth get shorter; as
    the chain wears the distance between pins gets longer. So if the chain
    can move forward at 6 or 12 then either the chain or the ring or both
    are worn to some degree. That's why you'd look at the chain next to see
    it it's the problem or if the chainring's the problem.
    
    Re; .2 It assumes a normal length chain. I'd guess that there's not a whole
    lot of difference between the lengths of a whole chain regardless of
    the bike. I'm sure that a bike with huge chainrings or long chainstays
    would have a longer chain, put probably only by a few links which 
    shouldn't make that much of a difference because you're really only
    looking at 1/8" to 1/2" wear differences.
2681.4PAKORA::GGOODMANRippled, with a flat undersideFri Sep 24 1993 17:539
Re.0

I would say that you have wasted a lot of money changing a cluster every time
that you change a chain. The cluster is much harder wearing than the chain and
the only thing that really wears them down is badly worn chain. If you change
your chain regularly (I do it every 6 months - a summer chain and a winter chain)
then your cluster should last years...

Graham.
2681.5TRUEWMOIS::GIROUARD_CFri Sep 24 1993 18:234
     I agree with Graham... I change chains every year. The key is keeping
    the stuff clean and lubed for extended life.
    
      Chip
2681.6MARVIN::WESTONFish shaped hysteriaMon Sep 27 1993 07:527
.3>  Re; .2 It assumes a normal length chain. I'd guess that there's not a whole
.3>  lot of difference between the lengths of a whole chain regardless of
.3>  the bike. 

    Recumbents excepted.  Mine's at least twice as long.  ;-)

    -Les.
2681.7depends on how/what you ride DNEAST::FIKE_MIKEMon Sep 27 1993 09:1912
    
    
    re:.4 and .5
    	I guess it depends on what you're riding. For a road bike, I'd
    agree with you. Changing the chain every 2000-3000 miles is probably
    adequate, but off road riding is considered abusive to the drivetrain
    and 300-500 miles is considered a normal lifespan for the chain. D.I.D.
    recommends changing the cluster when you change the chain, and for only
    $20 per cluster I'd say that the cleaner shifting and quieter
    drivetrain is worth it (to me that is- your milage may vary).
    
    Mike
2681.8PAKORA::GGOODMANRippled, with a flat undersideWed Sep 29 1993 06:394
Yeah, I was talking on-road. I keep forgetting that some nutters take their bikes
onto the muddy stuff... :*)

Graham.