| T.R | Title | User | Personal
Name | Date | Lines |
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| 2651.1 | D/A Levers are ~$300 anyway... | ODIXIE::RRODRIGUEZ | Sign Here X__________ | Thu Aug 19 1993 13:49 | 24 |
| 2651.2 | Ultegra shifting not DA compatible | USOPS3::CLELAND | Centerline violation... | Thu Aug 19 1993 14:17 | 19 |
| Incorrect sir...
Mr. Sidel can attest to the fact that Shimano has purposely toyed
with it's customers.
He has a Merlin Outfitted with Ultegra 600, and proceeded to trash
the rear derailleur. He then procured a Dura-Ace rear changer for
replacement. He was then forced to purchase Dura-Ace downtube
shifters, because the Ultegra shifters would not function properly
with the new DA derailleur.
Aren't the Japanese just the SHREWDEST businessmen around?
Did you know that the Japanese word for businessman means -
WARRIOR !!!
These guys don't play around, but that's another topic in here
somewhere...
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| 2651.3 | Less cable travel for same effect? | ATIS::BODGE | Andy Bodge | Thu Aug 19 1993 14:43 | 6 |
| I seem to recall that the cable travel needed to move a D-A derailleur
one cog is less than for Ultegra, 105 etc. Presumably racers have more
sensitive fingers and appreciate the reduced lever travel. Cog spacing
should be the same.
Andy
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| 2651.4 | What's wrong with being a Warrior? | STRATA::ASMITH | | Thu Aug 19 1993 14:55 | 5 |
| To .2
Only bicycle racing "Warriors" buy Shimano, others buy Campy.
Warriors don't want to get caught short in the heat of battle.
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| 2651.5 | | ODIXIE::RRODRIGUEZ | Sign Here X__________ | Thu Aug 19 1993 14:59 | 9 |
| 2651.6 | taking the bait | LASSIE::ZIELONKO | | Thu Aug 19 1993 15:57 | 15 |
| > Only bicycle racing "Warriors" buy Shimano, others buy Campy.
> Warriors don't want to get caught short in the heat of battle.
yeah, riiiight.
> Aren't the Japanese just the SHREWDEST businessmen around?
let's rathole!
i would assert that they (shimano not "the japanese") succeed in spite of such
tactics, not because of them. if all their parts *did* work with one-another
they'd sell more stuff, not less and their customers would be happier.
they succeed because they make equipment that's good enough at a price that
beats everybody else by a longshot. if you want the best you don't by shimano.
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| 2651.7 | YOU EXPECTED THIS/I'M SURE | WMOIS::GIROUARD_C | | Thu Aug 19 1993 16:08 | 3 |
| Please Abe??? Mail me some of the drugs you're on!!!
Chip
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| 2651.8 | Chip, take a snort of Shimano | STRATA::ASMITH | | Thu Aug 19 1993 17:20 | 5 |
| Chip,
They are called Shimano. You are welcome to some, you will
definitely save money!!!
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| 2651.9 | COMPATABILITY QUESTION | WMOIS::GIROUARD_C | | Thu Aug 19 1993 17:36 | 5 |
| I'd love to... Please supply me a listing of Shimano compatible
with my vintage '52 nasal equipment..........
Chip
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| 2651.10 | The coming war with Japan | USOPS3::CLELAND | Centerline violation... | Thu Aug 19 1993 21:52 | 32 |
| Re .6
It is the Japanese, and not just Shimano, period.
The Japanese have been at war with the United States ever since
WWII, waging an economic war that is slowly but surely stripping
this country bare. Remember that the Japanese word for businessman
means warrior? That was not a joke, and the Japanese are by no means
joking. When they target a specific market, it is targeted as a battle
field, and plan for nothing less than total domination.
Rathole: 20 years ago...
The largest banks in the world were U.S. owned, now the largest
banks are Japanese owned.
The automobile capital of the world was Detroit Michigan, now it
is Toyota City, Japan.
Foreign expansion:
Japan does not allow foreign owned corporations inside it's borders.
The U.S. gives real estate & tax incentives to Japanese corporations
for building Japanese owned factories in the U.S., why? Yes, there
are new jobs being created, but for the profit of the Japanese.
I'm a little biased, yes. A friend mentioned a book I need to read,
it's called, "The coming war with Japan". There is a MASSIVE trade
imbalance between the U.S. & Japan, and our national deficit reflects
it.
Enough garbage, I apologize for wasting time in this file, this is
a topic for another conference altogether.
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| 2651.11 | Let's bash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | KIDVAX::OPR_BROGDEN | | Thu Aug 19 1993 23:05 | 5 |
| I'm just happy to announce that I am on the band wagon of supporting
the American businesses like FAT CITY!! I just ordered my new MTB
frame today and am getting rid of my Bridgestone MB-1, now if
campy made good MTB Gruppos I'd by one of them also!!! Oh, well
maybe in a few more years!?!?
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| 2651.12 | Chorus and 600 7 speeds | IDEFIX::CODGER::HEMMINGS | | Fri Aug 20 1993 07:56 | 10 |
| I hate to admit it, but while I was resetting the Vitus to Campag rear mech I
left the Shimano 600 levers on and they worked, indexed I mean. The old
Chorus levers are pretty naff anyway and I thought of staying that way but I
didn't like the way the front lever started well away from the stop. When
using the outside of a triple the lever ends up lying along the downtube!
The problem was solved by using the original Campag Gran Sport levers I had
in the shed. No index, but do I care?
BTW I thought _I_ was anti-Japanese......
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| 2651.13 | Yahoooo! | KIDVAX::OPR_BROGDEN | | Tue Aug 24 1993 22:04 | 1 |
| RE-base note, thanks that was all I needed to know!!
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