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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
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2315.0. "My Summer Vacation" by NOVA::FISHER (Rdb/VMS Dinosaur) Wed Jun 10 1992 20:38

    No, I'm not asking whether I should buy this bike or that bike
    or which tire I should use, or panniers or anything.
    I'm not even asking folks to contribute to my favorite charity
    -- but if you insist .... :-).
    
    On Saturday, I begin my summer vacation, I'm getting on the
    old touring bike and heading for Wisconsin, hoping to be there for
    the National Congress of Bicyclists on July 1 and the LAW
    National Rally.
    
    Almost outa here,
    ed
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2315.1:-)SHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredThu Jun 11 1992 11:184
    
    Bonne route, Ed!  Let us know what it's like!
    
    -john
2315.2great ride, btw.NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurTue Jul 07 1992 11:465
    Well, for the record, I'm back.  Ran into Norm Flye while there.
    
    film at 11.
    
    ed
2315.3NCBOOT::PEREZTrust, but ALWAYS verify!Tue Jul 07 1992 14:597
>                             -< great ride, btw. >-
>
>    Well, for the record, I'm back.  Ran into Norm Flye while there.
    
    So where's the description?  I'm curious how Wisconsin and rides in the
    midwest compare to things in the East...  Did any of the rides go onto
    the Wisconsin Bike Trails?  Wish I could have gotten over there.
2315.4LJOHUB::CRITZTue Jul 07 1992 16:124
    	I sent Ed mail asking him to give us a detailed description
    	of the trip. He said he's working on it.
    
    	Scott
2315.5:^)NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurTue Jul 07 1992 17:376
    like I said "Film at 11"
    
    after 383 newmail msgs, and quota of lines of code, and, of course,
    during non-work hours.  :-)
    
    ed
2315.6NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurTue Jul 14 1992 11:11395
BTW, I took no notes along the way so this is from memory...

I began planning the trip in April.    In brief, the goal was to "ride to
Wisconsin". I wanted to do as much of the Iowa to Maine bike route as
possible so the original plan was to ride directly from Hudson, NH, to Ft
Ticonderoga, NY and from Ft Ticonderoga, NY to Davenport, Iowa, on the Iowa
to Maine route and from Davenport to River Falls, WI via aother
Bikecentiennial route.  I ordered maps and a new set of panniers from
Bikecentennial.  My plan was to go solo and use Motels, though I did
consider camping.  I prefer to spend more time on the bike.  I hadn't
had enough time to ride this spring so this trip was going to make up for
that.  I had porked out a bit (to, say, 185).

I knew that a friend in Madison was returning to New England for a visit
this summer so I coordinated the return.

I wanted to use my Trek 720 (vintage 1984, 531 Mag-Moly steel, made in USA)
touring bike.  I was planning to carry weight and wanted to be able to rely
on the wheels so I fished a pair of 40 spoke specialized sealed bearing
hubs out of the basement and pair of WOLBER 58 Super Champion rims.  I took
the rims to be built.  I had bought them 6 yrs ago at a good price with
the intent of someday building them and using them for a tour such as this.

I ordered 3 27x1 1/4's, Kevlar belted, from Performance.  It's getting
harder to find good 27 inch tires.

I had had a problem with the 720's bottom bracket creaking on a tour in '89
so I took it apart and reassembled it -- it's a Phil Wood -- using lock
tight on the lock rings.  I also used lock tight on all of the braze on
screws.  Blackburn rack on the back, low-riders on the front.  I installed
a profile bar on the front along with my own (custom) "aero" handle bar bag
on the front.  I stripped to no longer functional Cateye Solar and
installed a Cateye Cordless computer.  I changed the low chainwheel from a
30 to a 24.

I toyed with the idea of installing something SIS but balked at the price
for only 3 week's riding per year.  I dug through my tool box and
determined that I could assemble a Regina 7 speed freewheel with
13-15-17-19-21-24-28.  I was sure this would not be the best set of numbers
to match my half-step plus granny 24-45-50 but I didn't care knowing that I
had more gears than I needed anyway.

I installed a new chain and took the bike out for a couple of test rides,
140 miles.  Never did test it with the panniers.

As time for the vacation approached, I decided that the schedule of 1900
miles in 19 days left no room for error and resulted in my missing The
National Congress of Bicyclists, so I elected to ride due west from Hudson,
NH, pick up Rt 20 Near Albany and pick up the Iowa to Maine Route in Seneca
Falls, NY, trimming the 1900 miles by 100-150 miles.  I remembered US 20
from the mid 70's and worried about this choice -- the road was hilly and
the road bed was concrete resulting in many bumps and cracks.

I decided to carry four sets of bike shorts, jersey, and socks, a rain
outfit, two sets of civvies -- shorts, t-shirt, undies. A pair of sneakers,
warm jacket, some nylon & lycras windpants I picked up once upon a time,
and tights.  The windpants could double as long pants on a cool evening.
Also toilet items and some tools: a spoke wrench, spare spokes, 4 or 5
tubes, the 3rd tire, freewheel tool, 6" adj wrench, 5 inch vice grip, tire
iron, swiss army knife, electrical tape, and a couple of paperweights
(i.e., other things I never used).

One week before leaving Al Lester and Andy Spiner were killed in NY,
resulting in some anguish on my and my wife's behalf but we can't let fear
get the best of us so I elected to GO.  I did determine that I would try to
be off the road by 5 PM, especially on Fridays and Saturdays when the
likelihood of encountering "Ability Impaired" drivers was higher.

Often, before the ride, I have been getting neck cramps.  I make a mental
note to stretch my neck often during the trip.

I also planned to start early each day.  Realizing that this would be
before breakfast, I planned to start with two cans of Exceed carbo
stuff and a half dozen Exceed bars to get going. The plan was to buy more
along the way if needed/

Day 1, June 13:  Hudson to Brattleboro, VT.  84 miles.  I wanted to climb
the big hill on Rt 9, early in the morning when the traffic was light.
I needn't have worried because even the Saturday afternoon traffic was
light.  I was reluctant to venture far from the motel, so I had dinner
at the tavern next door, chili and a club sandwich, and a couple of brews.
Discovered that, though I had shaving cream, two 3 oz bottles of shampoo
and 3 bottles of sunscreen, I had no toothbrush, toothpaste, or razor.
I was later to discover that I also had no tights.  I stretch a little
(always a weakness in my training) but pay attention to my neck.

Day 2.  I awoke early, had an Exceed bar for breakfast and packed a bottle
of Exceed also.  Started by 5:20 AM. I stopped at an overcrowded restaurant
around 8 AM and decided to eat later.  I had breakfast around 10:30 in
Bennington on the other side of the state.  I passed through Troy just
before "the nation's larget Flag Day Parade."  I got through Albany with
little hassle -- mostly because it was Sunday.  I didn't want to go that
way, just a combination of "road closed to bicycles" and taking the easy
turn took me throught the city.  I helped myself to water at a fire
station.  Around 90 miles I started looking for a motel.  Discovered how
little the locals understand "bicycle."  "Well if you go up here about 20
miles..."  A woman overheard the questions and told me where the next motel
along 20 could be found, about 35 miles up.  I had several hours till dark,
so I pressed on.  Around 5:30 I found "Motel, Snack Bar, Convenience Store"
and pulled over, 116 miles for the day.  It was a Motel, the other
businesses had closed.  I inquired as to the nearest restaurant, it was 7
miles up the road.  Hmmm, "Are there motels there?"  "I can fix you a
couple of hamburgers." "How about a baked potato or two? Spaghetti?"  "I
can fix you some spaghetti, home made sauce" "Deal" "Do you like iced tea?"
"Great"  $25 for the room, $4 for the dinner. It wasn't enough but it
served the immediate needs.  Carlyle NY, 116 mi.  If you look for it on a
map it's just east of Sharon.

Day 3.  Rode 30 or so miles to Richfield something for breakfast. Spotted
drugstore and purchased toilet items found to have been missing, finally. 
The hills start to wear on me.  Peonies and lilacs are in season seems to
be a bit late for them.   The corn is 6-10 inches high.  At 107 miles I
stop in Skaneateles (pronounced "Skinny Atlas").  The eatery next door is a
fried food joint. I order chili and later a fish dinner.  Three dirty sets
of bike clothes, time to do my laundry.  I wash stuff in the bathroom sink,
rinse well and hang to dry.

Day 4.  Again I start with an Exceed bar and a bottle of Exceed. My laundry
hasn't fully dried but I pack them back in the ziploc bags and go.  It is
clear that I will have to solve this problem. I have breakfast, again
pancakes, in Seneca Falls.  I have my first flat. Pick up the Iowa to Maine
Bike trail.  It is good to be off US 20 though it was nowhere near as bad
as my memory had made it out to be. Pretty good surface, frequent
shoulders, light to moderate traffic. The ride along Seneca Lake is a
pleasant spin.  A little later I misinterpret the directions and do a light
1 mile hill and joke that "I needed some work anyway."  Soon I am back to
crossing the ridges of NY and the joke seems frivolous.  I expect to find a
motel in Bath and misinterpret the map to get there so I have to do an
extra 8 or so miles and a 2 mile killer hill to find it.  104 mi.  I iced my
knees that night.  I have some sunburn on my forehead, the backs of my ears
and my nose.

There is a Pizza Hut nearby so I go there and order a Cavatini Supreme,
large and iced tea.  It is a pasta dish with a nice, I think, veggie sauce. 
After finishing I ask for a menu.  "Excuse me?" "A menu, I'm still hungry"
"Oh, I see"  I order a small (1-2 people) pizza.  This is my first good
dinner and I am sated.  I return to ice my knees.  I hung my damp laundry. 
I put the shorts chamois over the rooms lamps to accelerate drying, turning
occasionally. This seems to be a good solution.  I was later to also use
room heaters and air conditioners, if they were working. I got another flat
today.  All my tubes are 27x1.  the good ones were ok at 1 1/4, but the
cheap one I put in in the morning has too much rubber near the valve and
doesn't expand properly inside the tire so it gets a puncture from abrasion
inside the tire.  For some reason which escapes me I replace it with a
similar tube.

Day 5: more ridges of Southwestern NY.  My 2nd cheap tube flatted.  I
replace it with a better one (same as what I started with in the front and
the one that's in the back and caused no problem.  I didn't support the
pump properly and, whoosh, I break off the stem.  Ok, folks one more time.
There is a stiff headwind.  I get to Franklinville.  The map says there's a
motel there.  I inquire at a restaurant and the motel is 1+ miles up the
road, no restaurant but I can return here for dinner. I get to the motel,
shower, read a little.  I road, sans panniers, to the restaurant.  12 mph
is all I can do in the wind.  Spaghetti for dinner. It opens at 6 am so I
plan to be there at 6, no Exceed for breakfast tomorrow. 86 mi.

Day 6.  There were tornados in Minnesota and Wisconsin the night before
last.  This night has a frost locally.  The forecast is rain.  I hardly
meet anyone who doesn't say, "You're going to get wet today."  As I make
the last turn for the PA border an old timer tells me I have to go about 10
miles and then climb a 3 mile hill.  Knowing the the locals are only
sometimes right I head off.  The drizzle starts.  I'm thinking about where
I'm going to find shelter near the Allegany Reservoir.  10 miles, the climb
starts, I'm getting wet.  Near the summit, the sky turns blue and the rain
stops. I note with pleasure that the hill was only 2 miles.  I smile.  I
see a campground and shelter at the summit. I realize the sky is blue so
that I'll be tempted to continue onward, then as soon as I'm committed the
sky will open up.  I continue onward, the sky gets greyer, ever
threatening. My choices for the evening are Warren, PA, and farther on,
Corry, PA.  Considering the sky, I choose Warren.  As I enter the town,
blue skies return.  I know this is just trying to get me to go onward
toward Corry so I can be drenched. I refuse the gambit and find a Super 8
in Warren.  I do laundry again, using lamps to dry my shorts. I also use
the room's heater.  The Perkins Family Restaurant has an "All you can eat
Spaghetti" for the night's special.  It takes forever for my waitress to
come over so I can say "May I please have a refill on my iced tee and a
second helping on spaghetti.?"  I later learned that she has burned her
hand (hot water) and has been taking care of it.  At 11pm the thunder
boomers hit.  It pours.  By 2 the rain has stopped. 73 mi.

Day 7.  My alarm goes off at 5 and the pavement is dry.  I took a shower. 
When I start to pack the bike, I notice it is again pouring, I return to
bed.  At 6:30 the rain has stopped and I go back to Perkins for breakfast. 
Occasionally I hear a soft bip-bip-bip noise from the back of the bike. I
conclude that the stiffener in my panniers hass begun to curve and the back
of the pannier is occasionally hitting my spokes.  I move the pannier a bit
on the rack and the noise goes away for a while. Beginning in Central NY
and now more prevalent I notice that a common lawn ornament is black
silhouetted figure.  The most common is a man leaning against a tree,
sometimes smoking a pipe, often with a cloth bandana.  Often there are
female, child and animal black figures.  This is in stark contrast to the
"bent over fat ladies" who have become as common as pink flamingoes in the
Northeast. It rains on and off during the day and I get to Cambridge
Springs.  The B & B is booked full.  The innkeeper mentions the Riverside
in town and a B & B 20 or so miles up the road.  I had stopped by the
Riverside but it looked full and expensive.  It wasn't so bad.  I have to
confess that I bought a bag of potato chips and ate them then I had no room
for dinner. 73 mi again.

Day 8.  It is cold and rainy, I am wearing my rain pants, my warm jacket
and my windbreaker/rain jacket.   At mile 16 as I am double checking
because I am looking for "Springboro Rd" and the signs don't say this, a
pickup stops and the driver assures me than I am on the right route.  In
Springboro I am quite chilled so I ask at a grocery for a cup of coffee. 
They don't have any but a customer says, "My grandmother is right upstairs
and has a pot of hot water on.  You are welcome ..."  I accepted the invite
and met his grandmother.  Sat and talked for spell.  I was then on my way
somewhat warmer and witha few packs of peanut-butter cheese crackers "fer
energy"  She gave me a hug and kiss.  I left my goggles there so had to go
back.  Another hug and kiss and I was on my way. The hugs lasted all day.

I saw some Amish working there saw mill as well as an Amish Buggy on the
road.  We exchange waves or nods.  The center of the lanes are extra rough
around here and I wonder if it's for the horses.

There is a black and brown dog just short of the Ohio line that gets a
tooth on my rain pants.

There really are "amber waves of grain" around, alternating with corn.

There are motels in Geneva, Ohio.  The HoJo's is No Vacancy.  I call the
Geneva Motel.  They have a vacancy.  66 mi. I get overcharged and the place
has a lingering smell of mildew.  I spend the rest of the afternoon walking
around town and pick up a box of poptarts and a box of granola bars for
"future snacks" since there seems to be a lack of convenience stores on
this part of the route.  I have a "loaded" pizza for dinner.

I realize that the weather and not knowing where the vacancies are are
cutting back on my average mileage so I have Linda look up a motel
120 miles down the road and make me a reservation.  It's in Elyria, OH.
I know that regardless of the cold and wet, I can make it that far if
I know there's a room available.

Day 9.  I do the Cleveland Bypass.  It's basically hilly Parkway.  There's
some construction and I miss a turn, twice.  Both turns cost me a 1 mile
hill.  I am just about done the parkway when the rain starts pouring. I
take a break at a snack bar and have some French Fries.  As I approach
Elyria, I cut off the route onto some US highways.  There's a lot of
construction, even down to one tight lane.  Good thing it's Sunday. In the
city I get off that $%^& road and ask for directions.  "Where you comin
from?"  "On a BICYCLE?"  One lady look at me like I have two heads -- Eyes
wide, head back, etc. "well the only way to get there is to get onto that
road and ... but you don't want to do that on a bicycle" "I just got off it
a little more won't hurt" "Oh"  A fellow tells me a couple of side roads
that will get there, I thank him and press onward. I find the Knights Inn
and check in.  119 mi. Did laundry again. I had dinner at a Bob Adams.  The
special is Rib Eye, but I order spaghetti.  I plan to reach Bowling Green
the next day, 100+ miles but it has lots of motels.

Day 10.  I leave that town early.  The sun rises around 6 am so I have
breakfast first.  I head straight for Florence Ohio rather than try to
rejoin the route where I left it, that saves a few miles and a lot of
construction.  About 40 miles out I am thinking about finding water.  As I
pass a couple of Edison trucks working on the lines, they ask where I'm
coming from.  I stop and chat. They tell me there is a 60+ yr old couple
going cross country maybe two days ahead of me. As I'm ready to leave, I
ask where I can find water.  They gave me some of their ice cold water. a
left trun 1 mile and a right and I spot two guys with panniers doing the
Iowa to Maine route.  "You have some hills in front of you" "Well, you've
got nothing but flat from here to the Mississippi."  :-) :-) They also tell
me about the 60+ couple doing about 50 mi/day.  I might pass them (I figure
I'll most likely pass them when they are off the road if I do pass them). I
find it "interesting" that they have not seen any rain. I also saaw several
Blue Heron today.  There are usually ditches between the fields and the
roads and the bottom of the ditches has some water. As I ride along the
Heron hear me and fly off.  Also I often hear frogs either making frog
noises or jumping in the water.  As I write this I realize that the Heron
were probably there eating frogs. About 40 miles later as I'm passing two
more Toldeo Edison truck working the lines the foreman says, "Want some
cold water?"  Deja vu. Near Bowling Green, I ask a couple of convenience
store attendants where a particualr intersection is, they have no idea. 
Then I ask about the motel (which uses that intersection as an address),
the girls, ahh young women, tell me "Oh that's just across the interstate,
cheapest place in town" I check in locate a bike shop and go buy 4 new
tubes and a new pair of look cleats (been in the back of my mind for a few
days). 100 mi.

Day 10+:  I take a day off, Linda had suggested it and it poured that
morning and the forecast was rain all day.  There is a concession in the
motel whereby you rent a VCR and unlimited movies for $9.99.  I see
Terminator 2 and a couple of other memorable flicks.  I do ALL my laundry
using a washing machine.  I walked into town bought some souvenirs, mailed
them out.  Walked maybe 5-6 miles.  FOUND a full roll of duct tape.  I use
it to fix my handle bar tape for the LAST time.  Left it in the room
though.  I disassemble my panniers and move the right stiffener to the left
pannier and vice versa.  This should eliminate that occasional noise from
hitting the spokes.  My sunburn is peeling.

Day 11:  I head off for Ft Wayne, Indiana.  Gad this part of Ohio is flat.
The corn is knee high.  the roads are straight.  Along the way, as I'm
thinking about where to get my next water bottle and as I cruise westward,
I hear a "Hi"  I look to my right and say "Hi"  It's a woman and her
daughter and their horse who is eating the lawn.  Ever quick to recognize a
resource, I brake and say "Could I have some water please?"  "Sure, help
yourself, the toilet's over there if your need it."  We chat a bit. She has
helped numerous cyclists in the past many have slept on the couch though
one woman tented in the front yard and came in for a shower in the morning. 
A German cyclist had ridden by one night at 10PM looking for a motel. 
(none for 30 miles) and slept on the couch. Neither spoke the others
language.  The last stretch of Ohio is "set your compass on 270 and
cruise."  There are a lot of pigs around here. I get into Ft Wayne.  Most
of the motels are on the other side of town.  I see a billboard ad for Days
Inn, with address and head for that.  Special rate $26 on a $54 room.  122
mi. The restaurant opens at 6 but the sun rises at 5.  the clerk says they
are on Central time but I think they are really on Eastern Standard, not
that it really makes a difference.

Day 12: I leave at 5+.  On the way out I spot a commuter cyclist and ask
about a restaurant, he points me at The Waynewood. By now, I don't bother
looking at a menu, "Yes, coffee please.  Do you have pancakes? Good.  If
there's an option I'll take the large order. large orange Juice.  Thanks." 
The waitress came over and we chatted. Even asked me if I was riding home
and laughed with me when I said "No, I have a ride."

The only changes in elevation today are near the Wabash and the Salomonie
reservoir.  Gad, wheeooo, there's a lot of pig farms on this route. I had
made a reservation in Peru, Indiana because there didn't seem to be a lot
of places there.  There really are quite a few.  My motel is the farthest
from the bike route.  89 mi. It was a warm day and, as usual though I
haven't said it, I drink a lot of water after the ride to counter any
possible dehydration.

Day 13:  There have often been headwinds.  Today they are special. 12 to 15
and 20 mph from the northwest.  I often find myself doing 9-10 mph rather
than the more common 12-13.  I stop to watch some deer that are crossing
the road.  I dug out the camera but they disappear before I get nearer.
More pigs.

I have a reservation in Watseca, IL.  I choose a route which will shorten
my journey the most instead of staying on the county roads the longest
before deviating.  As I get near US 24, I spot a Dairy Queen.  It look
deserted but I stop anyway.  I chat with the woman, ask about the Carousel
Inn, Yup 8 miles due west on US 24.  It's downhill from here you don't have
to pedal, we are at the same height as the water towers.  I don't tell her
that 200 ft downhill over 8 miles into a headwind means pedaling.  I
checkin and ice my knees for the second time during the journey.  113.5 mi.
I finish the book I've been reading since NY.  I start planning how I'm
going to get to Wisconsin.  By now I've decided to go to Madison and rent a
car to River Falls so I can have 1 or two days off before the rally.  I
plan on taking Illinois 47 North to Woodstock and US 14 west to Harvard and
getting local route information from the Haldeman's.

Day 14.  At Cullum, Ill, I mail home two sets of bike clothes, the book I
finished, a gift to Linda, the maps I won't need any more.  Before turning
left to rt 47, I elect to head straight North on the county road that I'm
on.  I seems to go for another 15 miles or so.  I packed 3 water bottles
this morning, that seems good because the local water is high in clorine. 
Pigs. At Yorkville I inquire about a motel.  The clerk said there were some
but they weren't very good.  I used the yellow pages and found one. I get a
room at Yorkville, not great but not the worst that I've had either.  101
mi.

Day 15.  on Rt 47 I am passed all day by antique cars and cars towing
boats.  US 14 is one of the worst roads that I have ever seen.  Like what I
had expected US 20 in NY to be. I had figured that I could get a room at
Harvard Ill in the El Rancho.  It is booked full.  Lon's Pac Tour is coming
through tonight. Lon's mom digs out his maps and shows me some county roads
into Wisconsin.  I stop in Fontana, WI, at an empty Inn.  The rate is $95.
"That's a little above my budget is there anything else in town?"  "Up the
hill"  (Of course!)  I go up the hill and ask aboiut a vacancy. "yes"
"What's the rate" "Usually $65 but I can let you have it for $45" "Ok" 81
mi.  Spaghetti for dinner.  I'm in a rut.

Day 16.  Yesterday and today, I've been psyched.  The riding is easier. the
roads aren't as flat or straight.  I see a pair of scarecrows. The county
roads in WI are well marked but still lightly travelled.  the corn is a
little over 2 feet high and has some brown streaks.  I thought it was
drought but am told it's frost damage.

I got directions from my friend in Madison from county MM (it looked good
from the map) so I work very hard to get to MM.  There's a lot of
construction.  I recall a quote from the LAW of 1899 that the roads of New
Jersey and Wisconsin were very good because of the actions of the League. 
It seems they are all now being rebuilt.  I follow US 51 Detour. right to
where it goes onto the Interstate.  Drat.  I stop at a convenience store. 
"A little hot for biking isn't it"  "If I waited till the weather was
perfect, I'd still be in New Hampshire"  Chuckles, some chat, a bottle of
gatorade.  I ask about county road to get over to MM.  Get directions along
with "That's kinda hilly"  (I chuckle inwwardly)  I make the turns and
recall that I really am closer to Madison now than if I take the detours,
but heck I do have all day, it's only 60 miles so far and the detours only
add about 20 more.  I get into Richmond, have a Subway Large Tuna.  Find
someone who know how to get to County B (leads to MM). She pointed me past
more construction.  I asked a county road supervisor at the construction
and he tells me I have to carry my bike over the dam. I chat with a kid on
the dam and lend him my vice grips to get a treble hook out of his shoe. --
gotta use the tools for something.  More gravel, more construction, a few
more turns and Fitchburg, Wisconsin.  Then finally, Madison.  I pull our my
hastily scratched notes and just as I figure, "Aha, take a left" a woman in
a car asks if I am lost, I ask "UW this way?" she confirms it.  A few turns
a couple of sprints and I'm there.  89 mi.

PS: Apparently I lost 8 or 9 lbs.
PPS: Pigs dont' bother me.
2315.7addendumNOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurTue Jul 14 1992 13:167
    Btw, I think I forgot to mention two important features of the 720.
    I had a solid leather saddle for the HBI -- we (the saddle and I)
    had established a firm working relationship some years ago -- and
    the titanium deraileur which performed admirably but without any
    click shift capability.
    
    ed
2315.8LJOHUB::CRITZTue Jul 14 1992 13:198
    	Great report, Ed.
    
    	It's funny how yowse guys can remember all that stuff.
    
    	John remembered a lot of minute details about RAAM '91, even
    	though he didn't have time to take notes or anything like that.
    
    	Scott
2315.9AwesomeYNGSTR::BROWNTue Jul 14 1992 14:194
    Yeah, great report.  Lots of help for those planning similiar
    journeys.
    
    kb (from Woodstock)
2315.10PPPS:NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurTue Jul 14 1992 14:258
    Another minutiae:
    
    I thought my body cooperated very well.  There was a distinct
    lack of facilities along the route but my meals were so simple
    that all "eliminations" occurred before I hit the road in the
    morning.
    
    ed
2315.11:-)SHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredTue Jul 14 1992 14:496
    
    Great journey!  I enjoyed the write-up a lot.
    
    The herons and frogs were an engaging image. :-)
    
    -j
2315.12MOVIES::WIDDOWSONIts (IO$_ACCESS|IO$M_ACCESS) VMSTue Jul 14 1992 15:016
    Great report Ed, I enjoyed reading although I know not the geography.
    
    Just a question you iced your knees a couple of nights.  Can you
    expand? Was this in preference to an anti-inflammatory/painkilling
    cream (there is an ibuprofen based gel over here which is good) or a
    different malady ?
2315.13Great report!!DEBUG::SCHULDTAs Incorrect as they come...Tue Jul 14 1992 15:144
    Wish I'd known you were coming through the area... I'm only a few (10)
    miles from Woodstock and Harvard; ya coulda crashed for free!
    
    larry
2315.15A biochemist's perspectiveHSOMAI::MOFFITTTue Jul 14 1992 17:577
    I think we may have that ice stuff backwards.  Ice actually decreases
    blood flow to the treated region, drastically reducing edema and
    swelling.  Many of the painful sensations accompanying an injury come
    from the body trying to do *too good* of a job in first-effort
    recovery.  Once the initial response is over (say 12 to 24 hours) then
    heat will increase flow to the affected region, and speed healing (and
    reduce pain.)  Great story, nevertheless!
2315.17Having a PhD means you really don't have to know before you answerNOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurTue Jul 14 1992 18:285
    In other words, the researchers "have come full circle" in their
    opinions of ice therapy over the past few years and the result is,
    "If it works for you, use it."
    
    ed
2315.18OK, I'm offended.HSOMAI::MOFFITTTue Jul 14 1992 19:167
    Aha, but I *do* have a PhD, and I *do* take offense at the title of
    reply .17
    
    And, based on what they're teaching in medical school these days, I'd
    say we have two schools of thought here.
    
    And I do ice my knees, and it does work.
2315.19:-)NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurWed Jul 15 1992 10:124
    So do I that's why I feel free to speak about anything.  It is a
    license, isn't it?
    
    ed
2315.20:-)NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurWed Jul 15 1992 10:397
    It seems I have misquoted Linda.  So rather than provide an incorrect
    explanation of ice therapy, I deleted the misquote[s] and let me say
    that it worked and I'll work on getting a correct explanation.
    Btw, Ice Therapy is still recommended by many Physical Therapists.
    It's the explanation of the biomechanics that was incorrect.
    
    ed
2315.21neuro response?SHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredWed Jul 15 1992 17:478
    
    While the vascular effects of ice therapy have had a lot of discussion
    here, I believe the electro-cerebral effects have been ignored.  Will
    ice applied to the cranium reduce those troublesome thoughts and other
    mental activity that disturb one's sang-froid?  (heh, heh, a little
    pun, there!)
    
    -john (overly-inquiring mind wants to know)
2315.22NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurWed Jul 15 1992 18:133
    BE QUIET AND GET BACK ON YOUR BIKE.
    
    ed
2315.23HSOMAI::MOFFITTWed Jul 15 1992 18:419
    re .21
    
    If the ice is first placed in the appropriate beverage, and applied
    to the brain in the appropriate fashion (i.e. orally), it can relieve
    *all kinds* of pain!  For awhile :-)
    
    re .22
    
    Well put, ed!
2315.24And another thing... two dinners?NCBOOT::PEREZTrust, but ALWAYS verify!Thu Jul 16 1992 00:372
    Ok, Ed, so you had a nice little ride across half the country, but WHAT
    ABOUT THE LAW RALLY?
2315.25NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurThu Jul 16 1992 10:104
    Ok, I'll write about that next.  Shouldn't be too hard, it wasn't as
    long.
    
    ed
2315.26MY summer vacationWMOIS::FLYE_NThu Jul 23 1992 01:1353
    
      Unlike Ed I decided to drive to Wisconsin.  Since I would be
    returning with an 800lb. stone table, frame fixtures and a custom MTB
    tandem I thought my touring bike was a poor choice.  Once again I was
    thankful I bought the Toyota cargo van and not a car.
    
      My destination was Paterek's Frame Shop in River Falls, WI.  I
    attended a two week tandem frame building course.  I worked one on one
    with Tim Paterek and built my dream MTB tandem frame.  We started with
    a pile of certified aircraft grade cro-moly tubing and Santana seat and
    chain stays.  What we ended up with is a fillet brazed work of art.  I 
    have mixed feelings about trashing this frame in the woods.  
    
      The frame is a double marathon design built with half ovalized and 
    half oversized tubing.  The top tube, both marathons, boom tube and
    stem extensions are all ovalized.  1 1/4 head tube, 1 3/4 down tube
    and seat tubes that accomadate 29.8mm seat posts round out the frame 
    tubing.  All the tubing was brass fillet brazed.  Dropouts, braze-ons, 
    seat tube collars and the ends of two small tubes in the rear triangle 
    were silver brazed. The marathon tubes were plunge cut for the seat
    tubes to pass through so that they would remain full length pieces.
    Special hydraulic routing braze-ons were made so that Mathausers new
    hydraulic brakes can be used.
    
      The fork is ...........ahhhhh......different.  Constructed
    from twelve seperate pieces it was built using steel welding, brass and 
    silver brazing.  1 1/4" straight blades are connected to the steerer
    tube by mitered 1 1/4' tubing.  The result is a box or strut fork.
    We actually found some plug in dropouts for the 1 1/4" blades.    
      
      Working 12-15 hour days this frame was finished in 11 days. 
    Somewhere along the way through this marathon frame building session
    Ed Fischer stopped by to say Hi.  
      
      For the third week that I spent there Tim and I built most of the
    fixtures I would need to start my own frame building shop.  Constructed
    were fixtures for the rear triangle (with tandem extension), front
    triangle, fork, fork raking, cantilever or U-brake mounting, braze-on
    front derailleur and down tube shift lever bosses.  
    
      I don't know why I brought a bike with me because I totaled 22 miles
    the entire time out there.  I literally worked, ate and slept.  The
    outcome was worth it though.  With a little cash for hand tools I
    should be able to start production this fall.  
    
    
    							Norm
    
    
    
    
      
    
2315.27Sorry Ed!WMOIS::FLYE_NThu Jul 23 1992 01:177
    
    .26  That should read Ed Fisher stopped by to say Hi.
    
    
    					Norm
    
    
2315.28Lets here more Norm!VO2MAX::DELORIEAI've got better things to do.Thu Jul 23 1992 15:037
Norm ,

What are your plans with frame building? Tandems only?

Lets here all about it, Dreams, plans and goals...???

Tom_who_would_love_to_hear_about_anyones_dream_coming_true_right_now
2315.29Tandems and a whole lot more!17750::FLYE_NFri Jul 24 1992 01:5665
    
      I could be here all night answering that question Tom.  All my
    dreams, plans and goals are happening NOW.  Opportunities are coming my
    way that I hadn't even dreamed about.  Building frames is just a part
    of what my future holds.  
      Last fall I was introduced to a woman who was interested in riding my
    tandem.  I have never had a permanent partner since I bought the bike.  
    I do now though.  The friend that introduced us knew that she was for me
    when he saw the custom Peter Oullette racing frame hanging in her dress
    shop.  We both live for the next bike ride and have become quite
    inseparable.  
      I was soon to find out that her dress shop had a hidden secret.  Next
    to the high fashion prototype dresses were wool cycling jerseys.  For
    friends she was sewing custom merino wool jerseys.  Jerseys made the
    way they used to be.  One even had pockets in the front.  
      To make a long story short we have gone into business together.  We
    now sell a number of cycling related clothing items.  The big sellers
    are the traditional and contemporary wool jerseys but we also sell wool
    or lycra tights and shorts, coolmax or lycra jerseys, wind jackets and 
    pants, winter jackets and polarfleece clothing.  All are custom fit in
    mens or womans styles.  Dresses have now become an almost forgotten
    part of her business.  
      In the April, 92 issue of Bicycle Guide an article was written about
    the wool jerseys.  I soon learned how to cut patterns and sew to help
    out.  This fall we have taken out advertisement in Bicycling, The Bike
    (inaugural edition), and Bicycle USA.  Woman's Wheel, a womans cycling
    related products catalog,  will be carrying seven of our clothing items
    in this falls catalog.  We are going to be busy.
      Woman's Wheel has also asked us to start a production facility for
    them in Kittery, Maine.  They want to manufacture there own line of
    cycling clothes.  We have given them a tentative yes.
      Next year, starting in the spring, I will be working as a consultant for
    Tory Pines resort in Francestown, NH.  They are setting up a cross country
    ski facility for the winter.  For the summer months they will rent MTB 
    bikes for use on the ski trails.  
      Here's the part I like the best though.  Last summer I started a
    retail bike shop.  The long term goal of this shop was to manufacture
    custom bike frames.  Custom as in the customers input is used to
    produce a frame that will leave them in complete ecstasy.  Most
    builders have there own idea what the perfect bike is and don't allow
    much change in the final product.  I want to sit down one on one with
    this person and build there dream bike.  
      I will start with silver lugged and brass fillet brazing of steel. 
    As soon as I learn TIG welding I will add that as an option.  In the
    future I would like to produce aluminum and titanium frames as well.  I
    had not thought much about berylium but maybe :)
      Another project that I am working on at the moment is a cycle repair
    school.  I would like to see Joe Cyclist take a 2-4 day or night class 
    and leave able to repair his own bike.  No frame alignment and repair.     
    No tapping, facing and reaming.  Just the simple things they will
    encounter every day like derailleur and brake adjustments.  An advanced
    course would include things like replacing a headset or overhauling
    hubs and bottom brackets.  I have two people that will be taking just
    such a course with me this summer.  One person will be cycling across
    the country and wants to know how to fix his bike if it breaks down on
    the road.  
      Don't ask why I am still working for Digital.  That is another story.
    Marthe and I envision in the near future a one stop custom bike shop.
    Someone will be able to stop in and buy a custom bike frame with anything 
    in the world put on it for parts.  At the same time they can get a 
    complete custom cycling wardrobe.  I can't think of anything closer to 
    heaven.  
    
    							Norm
      
2315.30sounds like the ideal lifeNOVA::NALESue Nale MildrumFri Jul 24 1992 13:408
    Wow Norm!  That sounds so awesome!  I get the Womyn's Wheel catalog,
    so I'll be looking for your clothes.  When you DO open your shop,
    please let us know where it is.  In fact, could you tell us where
    Marthe's shop is?

    Good luck!  Sounds like things are going great. %^)

    Sue
2315.31DANGER::JBELLAleph naught bottles of beer on the wall...Fri Jul 24 1992 15:164
    I would like nominate note 2315.29 for the
    bicycle notesfile Hall of Fame.

    (If there were such a thing.)
2315.32Bike school 101RVNDEL::MCCARTHYFri Jul 24 1992 17:0116

	Hey, if the bike classes ever get going, let me know
	I'd sure be interested in them.  I looked around
	the Lowell/Nashua area before and most of the classes
	were "how to adjust cables".  No one offered a wheel
	trueing class or hub/BB overhaul class that I found.

	So I tried lacing/trueing on my own and then would take
	the wheel to a shop and just ask them to look at it
	to see how I did.  I have now built/trued 6 wheels but
	I'm not counting the 1st wheel which I pretzelized and
	had to buy a new rim - Motto now "Do it SLOW!"

	My next attempt will be replacing an axle.  I have an old bike
	to experiment on  before I touch my baby 8^)
2315.33I QUIT !!WMOIS::FLYE_NWed Aug 12 1992 09:2113
    
    I have given my notice and August 18 will be my last night.  The
    businesses have grown to the point where I can no longer work at
    Digital.  I did not expect to be giving my notice this soon.  This is 
    a scary but also exciting step forward in my life.
    
      For anyone who is interested Flye Clothing . Bicycles can be located
    at 14 S. Main St  Haydenville, MA 01039.
    
      
    							Norm
    
    
2315.34!SHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredWed Aug 12 1992 12:024
    
    Best of luck in your new business and life in general, Norm!
    
    -john
2315.35VO2MAX::DELORIEAI've got better things to do.Wed Aug 12 1992 14:1310
Norm,

Do you have a catalog of the clothing offered? 

I saw the jersey that was made up for Tim Brightman's PMC ride and I'm 
impressed. 

Let us know the 800 number when you get one ;-)

Tom
2315.36Ditto!ODIXIE::RRODRIGUEZWhere's that Tour d' France thang?Wed Aug 12 1992 14:263
2315.37vacations overWMOIS::FLYE_NThu Aug 13 1992 05:3948
    
    We had to send the catalog back to the printer due to a horrid printing
    job.  Hopefully we will have the new one in a week or two.  The address
    is as follows.
    			Flye Clothing . Bicycles
    			P.O. Box 118
    			Haydenville, MA 01039
    
    If anyone wants a catalog send me your address by mail before next Tuesday
    night or drop Marthe and I a postcard at the above address.
    
      We make everything custom to fit the individual.  We do not sublimate
    or screen.  Below is a list of what we sell.
    
    Jerseys (contemporary or traditional styling and long or short sleeve):
    	1.  100% Merino wool blend (No Superwash wool here)
     	2.  Coolmax
    	3.  Lycra
    	4.  Cotton/Poly
        5.  Polartec 100
    
    Shorts (Polartec 200 or Ultrasuede pad):
    	1.  100% Merino wool blend
    	2.  Heavyweight Lycra
    	3.  Cotton/Lycra
    
    Tights (with or w/o stirrups):
    	1.  100% Merino wool blend
    	2.  Heavyweight Lycra
    	3.  Cotton/Lycra
    
    Windbreaker or Windjacket:  Tactel or Versatech   
    
    Windpant:  Tactel or Versatech
    
    Polartec Pullover:   Polartec 200 or 300
    
    Cold weather jacket:  Tactel or Versatech shell lined with Polartec 100
    
    Tank Top:  Coolmax or Cotton/Poly w/pockets
    
    The catalog has more info on each of the items, measuring instructions,
    colors, etc.
    
    						Norm
    
    
      
2315.38RUSTIE::NALESue Nale MildrumThu Aug 13 1992 15:267
Norm,

Can a make a suggestion that you put a copy of this note in the "catalog" topic?
Looking in "My Summer Vacation" probably wouldn't occur to most folks!!

Good luck with your new business!
Sue
2315.39ballpark prices?DEDMAN::EDWARDSThu Aug 13 1992 15:3431
Norm,

Could you give us some ballpark prices?  Thanks!

>>>Jerseys (contemporary or traditional styling and long or short sleeve):
    	1.  100% Merino wool blend (No Superwash wool here)
     	2.  Coolmax
    	3.  Lycra
    	4.  Cotton/Poly
        5.  Polartec 100
    
    Shorts (Polartec 200 or Ultrasuede pad):
    	1.  100% Merino wool blend
    	2.  Heavyweight Lycra
    	3.  Cotton/Lycra
    
    Tights (with or w/o stirrups):
    	1.  100% Merino wool blend
    	2.  Heavyweight Lycra
    	3.  Cotton/Lycra
    
    Windbreaker or Windjacket:  Tactel or Versatech   
    
    Windpant:  Tactel or Versatech
    
    Polartec Pullover:   Polartec 200 or 300
    
    Cold weather jacket:  Tactel or Versatech shell lined with Polartec 100
    
    Tank Top:  Coolmax or Cotton/Poly w/pockets